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Well I broke down and did what some of you said I should.

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Well coons and opossums better stay off my porch from now on. I picked up an H&R 410 tamer in 3 inch mag. The barrel is a tad bit short for my liking at 19 inches but it should do the trick on them pesky critters. Oh does any body know if you can shot 45 ACP shells in it or not??? I know I can get slugs for it and would make a good starter gun of my youngest nephew for deer
 
It will fit, but is probably a bad idea. I'm no expert, but I have heard that the metal strength of the shotgun barrels will not be good enough for a rifle shell. It could burst the barrel.

They also sell shotgun slugs for the 410, but they are probably a little light for a deer.
 
Don't know anything about your new toy, but if it is like other .410 chambers a .45 ACP, being a rimless round, might slip past the chamber into the barrel and possibly create an obstruction which could be devastating if not removed.
 
Well if that was true which it isn't by the way ya but I do in fact hunt deer a lot when I can and I took 5 deer this year and one was with that 44mag out at around 60 yards and a friend was watching the shot
 
45 Colt, also known as the 45 Long Colt, the old 6 shooter Peacemaker round will fit in a 410 chamber. They have been fired in a 410, never heard of any disasters, but I would not recomment it.
 
At 50 yds it will put a deer down right now. For coon I would get 3inch no 4 shot. I would not use the 45ACP in it. Bob
 
A .410 won't have any trouble taking those pesky varmints out, just don't miss if they're on the porch. I have a .22 semi auto Remington for that. When I miss, it looks like a screw hole. A shotgun, 12ga in my case would cause too much collateral damage on the porch.
 
I was just pulling your leg. I just thought if they were like the racoons they would stand a chance.
 
Why would anyone WANT to try and shoot a deer with a .410, unless it was a survival sort of thing. If you've got the wrench that fits sitting beside a pair of pliers, do you normally use the pliers?
 
Now you are not going to see them anymore.

I think there were some that were chambered and could use both 45lc and .410 but I wouldn't do it unless its made for it. Guns and screwups don't mix.

Many states .410 slugs are not legal for deer. Yours may be or you may be lucky enough to live where it really don't matter.
 
I bought one of those H&R .410 Tamers last year, and couldn't be happier.
I was having trouble with coons and possums eating the dog food.
And of course, it was always in the middle of the night that my little dogs would start a ruckus about something being on the porch.
Although my dogs are tiny, they think they can whip anything. But in actuallity, the opposite is true. :mrgreen:

It was too hard for me to jump out on the porch with a pistol in one hand and a flashlight in the other and be able to hit anything running. And my 12ga was overkill, besides being clumsy and awkward.

But that llittle Tamer is just right, and with a full choke it holds a pretty good pattern. I also ordered a laser dot sight for it off ebay.

So a little while after that, the dogs woke me up about 1am.
I threw a shell in the Tamer and jumped out onto the porch face to face with a big coon. I put the red dot on him and let him have it. He didn't even have time to clear the porch.

That's the best set-up I ever had for shooting at night. I've gotten a couple possums too, since then.
I don't even have to put it up to my shoulder. Just swing the gun around until the dot's on it and then pull the trigger.

I like the fact too, that the Tamer is stainless steel, and it's got the handy place in the stock to put extra shells.

I'm not a sporting man and don't enjoy killing anything. But sometimes you have to do things you don't want to do, in protecting what's yours.

Ronnie
 
It is a 44mag 6 or 7 inch barrel with hand loads 245 grain bullet and off the top of my head I do not remember the grains of powder I use. It is a 6 shot single action revolver oh and it has an extra super low serial number
 
Missouri law says any center fire round it legal for deer. Now to me that is sort of stupid since a 32 pistol is center fire but you would have to do a point blank range to kill a deer with something that small so yep the 410 is legal here with a slug
 
I have a 22 but I do not use it because I don't want holes in the porch if I miss and the 44mag has worked well till I could only 44 special shot shells and now it isn't good enough to stop them dead in there tracks. I have a 20 and a 12 but figure they are way to big and would cause to much damage to things also thats why I have been using the 44mag
 
All they had on hand for the 410 was #7 shot or slugs so I got the #7 and since most of my shots are under 10 feet I would think that would do it
 
20 gauge knocks him on his butt so that is why he has not done any deer hunt yet so now with this 410 he might be able to. Of course I'm always on the stand with my nephew when hunting and I aim at what they do and trip the trigger also that way if they miss they still think they hit it and that goes a long way in building there confaduse (sp)
 
Because in this state a 410 is legal for deer hunting and with a slug has about the same knock down as a lot of other guns used in Missouri
 
You should be good out to 15-20 ft. with the no 7.
It won"t start to spread until then.
You might look around for some 2 1/2" shells to prevent overkill on the porch.
Be prepared to see a 1/2 - 3/4 in. hole in your porch if you miss :).
 
I did have a neighbor when I was a kid who hunted any time, any where- game warden followed him around for awhile, but finally gave up because the guy could never hit anything, and they needed to catch him with the goods to prosecute.
 
(quoted from post at 12:10:51 03/02/10) Because in this state a 410 is legal for deer hunting and with a slug has about the same knock down as a lot of other guns used in Missouri
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I think you may want to re-check the law again, Old.
I lived there back in the early 60's and the minimum for deer hunting was 20ga slugs for shotguns and I believe it was 30-30 for rifles.
 
No will not bounce off and sure would not want it to. But I also don't think it will do much more them maybe put a few BBs in the wood unless of course I miss completely and then yep big hole
 
(quoted from post at 10:53:08 03/02/10)
They also sell shotgun slugs for the 410, but they are probably a little light for a deer.
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Depend on who's shootin......... Not gonna have the shock of a 12 gauge, but place it right and it'll kill just as good. Accurate farther out also.
 
That was back in the 60s the law has in fact changed I keep up with all the deer hunting regs every year and all the changes. Years ago when I moved here in 1980 you had to have things like bullet that where over 125 grains and a bunch of other things but now ANY center fire cartage is legal for deer hunting even though a good number are not really big enough to work. Missouri prints out a book every year with the laws for deer hunting and I read if every year but I'm also a hunter safety instructor or was so I make sure I keep up on things
 
(quoted from post at 13:16:07 03/02/10) but I'm also a hunter safety instructor or was so I make sure I keep up on things
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You don't teach 'em to shoot do ya??????? And you don't tell 'em it's OK to shoot at coons through the frt door, or shoot near the house period.......????????
 
Dave, the 20 gauge slugs I have for the boys 20 gauge are 485 grains which is a lot of bullet so I figure with out of course checking a 410 slug will be around 150-200 grains and in a 3 inch mag that will be more then enough to drop a deer. I know my 123 grain SKS rounds sure make fast work of them. And ya there are things like foot pounds and how fast it goes etc etc to think about but I would think a 410 would be about like my 50cal black powder gun as far as hit
 
Yes I teach them to shoot but I also have a range set up for doing that. Then when deer hunting there is a adult in the stand with them at all times. My nephews are 12 and 9 years old
 

So,who teaches them to hit anything???????????????????

When I was a kid, there was an old guy that hunted deer with a single shot .410. Always got a decent buck and usually with 1 shot.
 
Oh by the way Dave back in the day before my eye site started to go bad and before you where born they make thumb tacks that where colored the true metal ones that is. I had an in door shooting range and I could shot them off the back stop at 100 feet all day long with my pellet rifle and then when I got my first 22 which I still have I could do the same thing but that was back a few decades ago. I'm not as steady as I once was and can not see as well or even hear as well any more but that is what happens as you get older
 
Just nitpickin, my 20ga. slugs are Winchester 3/4oz which is roughly 330 grains. My 12ga slugs are Win 1oz. which is roughly 440 grains. The .410 I think is 1/2oz which is roughly 220 grains. They all fly about 1500 fps. Compare to the .44 magnum pistol which is normally 240gr and velocity is 1300-1500 fps. I have taken deer with all but the .410
 

Yea Yea................. If you are in modern view,click on my email tab and send me your family info. I got an area phone book with me and will check for matches.... If you're not in modern view, it's time you slipped in to 2010.

Dave
 
(quoted from post at 13:16:07 03/02/10) That was back in the 60s the law has in fact changed I keep up with all the deer hunting regs every year and all the changes. Years ago when I moved here in 1980 you had to have things like bullet that where over 125 grains and a bunch of other things but now ANY center fire cartage is legal for deer hunting even though a good number are not really big enough to work. Missouri prints out a book every year with the laws for deer hunting and I read if every year but I'm also a hunter safety instructor or was so I make sure I keep up on things
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Well, that certainly is a BIG change.
By what you say, then I guess it would be lawful to hunt deer with even a little .25 cal. pistol.

I lived there for 18 years, and never saw a game warden. Some people hunted deer all year round with whatever they had, even .22's.
When they ran out of deer meat, they would just go out and shoot another one.
There was probably more moonshiners than there was game wardens. :mrgreen:
 
You want to be carful using a shotgun to shoot varmints . I seen on TV one time a guy was shootin at a opossum and it stuck its little finger in the end of the barrel and the gun blowed up in his face . Seen on another show where a coon tied his barrel in a knot and it blowed up .
 
(quoted from post at 14:11:46 03/02/10) You want to be carful using a shotgun to shoot varmints . I seen on TV one time a guy was shootin at a opossum and it stuck its little finger in the end of the barrel and the gun blowed up in his face . Seen on another show where a coon tied his barrel in a knot and it blowed up .
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Yeah, those little critters are really smart.
I remember one even saying "whats up, Doc?"
 
Hand load up some .410's with three 00 buck in them, they work suprizingly well on varmits.
I'll post the load data if I can find it.
 
As per my reloading manual which I load by. 240gr Jacketed HC bullet loaded with 17.3 grains of 2400 powder travels at 878 fps and that is the bullet/powder combo I use in my 44mag and it knocks deer down with a single shot. Took a 10 pointer down with one last year one shot one kill but he did not know he was dead till the guy I was with shot him with his 280 and pushed the 10 point over. Oh by the way my 44mag bullet went in one side and other the other his 280 hit the neck bone and stopped there but did push it over. Ya we found the 280 bullet and it fit right in the 44 brass
 
Ya thing have changed a lot since I first moved here which in July will be 30 years ago. And yep as i said any center fire cartage is legal for deer in this state. Sort of stupid in some ways but they said it was so as to open it up a bit more but they also said they could not figure out how to do it so as not to include the smaller hand guns like the 32 and 25 etc. Or in other words they did not want to have to list what is and is not legal gun by gun and all
 
As said below, the 45ACP is rimless, sliding firmly down the chamber into explosion territory. It also has pistol powder in it. 45Long Colt should only be used if specified as OK by the manufacturer of the Tamer. Jim
 
Nice shooting. sounds like you have found your load, probably not too bad recoil. I was relying on my memory but found the load I was thinking of. It is 24.0 gr H110 240gr jhp at 1548fps.
That is a max load and it kicks backward as hard as it does forward. I use to use my .44 Ruger blkhwk for Iowa muzzleloader season but since have gotten a T/C Triumph .50 cal. Two deer so far with that. Good luck with the varmints and the nephew.
 
If that is the case, then you either have a lot of wimpy deer in Missouri or a lot of wounded ones. A 1/8 oz. slug in a .410 has 605 foot lbs. at the muzzle and a rip roaring 200 foot lbs. at 100 yds. Save the .410 for rabbits and squirrels.
 
2009 pamphlet specificaly says you can take a deer with a 410 slug. A little light in my opinion though for the big deer north of the Missoui river.
 
Yep I knew that. Plus in my area your lucky if you get a shot out more then 50 yards or they are out 400 never much between at least not on my place. Most of my stands are in the woods so 50 yards is about it
 
I killed a big 13pt (nice 8pt with some junk around the bottom) near Newburg, Mo in 1988 with a 12 gauge. Biggest deer I'd ever saw.


Dave
 
I've been following this thread and want to thank 'Brian Jasper co Ia' for his comment on the .22 causing less collateral than a shotgun.

About 30 minutes ago I 'removed' a possum from my back porch. I opted for the 22 semi-auto in lieu of my 410. I have no visible damage to the picnic bench as a result of the removal process. The 410 would definitely have pot marked the top of the bench.
 
(quoted from post at 16:14:32 03/02/10) I've been following this thread and want to thank 'Brian Jasper co Ia' for his comment on the .22 causing less collateral than a shotgun.

About 30 minutes ago I 'removed' a possum from my back porch. I opted for the 22 semi-auto in lieu of my 410. I have no visible damage to the picnic bench as a result of the removal process. The 410 would definitely have pot marked the top of the bench.
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I grew up in the boonies.Go out on the porch and shoot in your underwear,,etc. Loved groundhog. FF a few years and I was stationed at Ft Leonard Wood, MO living in the housing area on the end of a section next to a big ditch and field. I'd set in my bedroom and pop groundhogs from the window with my 22 using shorts. Noone heard it and I always ate groundhog.


Dave
 
I sure am enjoying the on going story of "Old and the Coon". I think I'll go watch the movie CADDY SHACK, it is just a matter of time till Old gets out the dynamite!
 
Check the laws writing- probably says any centefire RIFLE or Shotgun with slug cartridge which starts at the .22 hornet. Little pistol cartridges wouldn"t qualify. Wisconsin also allows .22 centerfire but I think they want some energy also starting about .222 for deer- was some question about .22 Hornet and Bee, 25-20. .410 shotgun slug specs about like a .44 mag round. RN
 
I wish I could still get dynamite. Every spring I have a problem with a beaver or 2 and the dams they like to build. If I could get dynamite those dams would go bye bye fast
 
I do not have to check the law I know what is says. And it does in fact say ANY center fire Rifle, shotgun or PISTOL yep hand guns are legal in Missouri and I have kill more then one deer with a hand gun. I do keep up and follow what is going on when it comes to deer hunting and what is legal and all since they change things a little bit each year
 
Nope multi projectiles are not allowed for deer hunting and the max you can have in a fire arm is 10 in the clip and one in the chamber. Clips that hold more then 10 rounds have to have a stop of some sort on them that can not be remove real easy. I have a stop on my M-1 carbine so as to be able to only put in 10 rounds in the 30 round mag
 
Not sure since I have only done black powder for about 10 years and they have other then opening and closing days have stayed the same. I use a 50cal. muzzle loader and a cap and ball 45 as back up. I have yet to shoot a deer with black powder
 
We used to shoot 30-06 shells in my .410 shotgun. Doesn't have much of a punch by the time it travels 30 yds. but in an emergency it'll work. Could use it to knock the coons out cold with a head shot.
 
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