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Just watching a car magazine show and really has me wondering.
One of the features was a police car. BMW 2.3 140 something HP liter diesel motor. 0-60 in 4 or 5 seconds. and uses 7-8 liters to 100km (30+mpg).

Then, there are 7.5 ton flatbed trucks (4t payload) with 4zyl 115 HP motors.
I had a VW passat station wagon w/ 2.0 liter 110 HP and pulled a 2ton horse trailer.

Makes me wonder why folks think they need an F350 to pull a tractor or camper.

What am I missing?

Dave
 
dave not trying to be a wise a** but if you ever hook to a 24-28 or 32 foot stock trailer with all the cows you can cram in it you won"t have to ask that question. it"s a matter do you control the trailer or is it controlling you.
 
me either... just curious. Stock trailer is prolly a different story, but a 2 horse or 3 ton GVW trailer with brakes.

Different road conditions here too I guess.


Dave
 
Haa! I heard that. I used to have a half ton ford that I put a 4 speed in. That was one pulling truck. I loaded that thing full of gravel once. We calculated the weight based on the cubic footage of the bed. I had like 9000 lbs on that thing. Getting going was no problem. Now stopping it, well, that's another story! LOL. If I ever had a lot of weight on it, I learned to keep it very very slow. I didn't have near enough brakes. Now if I'd been pulling a trailer, with that much or more weight, now that would have been a death trap. My truck doesn't weight enough to control that kind of weight.
 
Many many years ago I pull my 2 horse trailer behind my Geo Tracker. I did it one time only and would never do it again. No brakes on the trailer so I had to take it easy as in 50mph tops and that was only in the interstate. Pulled it just fine but stopping took way to long.
Oh Dave since it is 3PM here am I right that it is 10pm there or is it only 6 hours instead of 7 hours difference from U.S.CST
 
We need 50 hp just to run all the smog control and just because we are pulling 9000 lbs up a 6% grade does not mean we do not want to be the first to the top and have no one pass us on the way up.
I have driven class 8 trucks that had less HP than most pickups have today.
 
Your Volkswagen wouldn't last very long climbing any long steep hills pulling that trailer. Would barely be able to get up to 25 MPH also.

It's not about what you can make something do for a short periord of time. More about what it can do over a long period of time and hold-up. That is unless you like throwing money away.

It also has little do do with posted max horsepower specs. More to do with torque and sustained use specs.
 
Ya know about those type of brakes but this old trailer I have was built before trailer brakes where put in to them. I do just fine with it behind my 1980 Chev pick up but it is a heavy old truck
 
Nothing drives me up the wall faster than trying to pull a trailer with a pickup that just isn't quite up to it.

When I was in sales, the most consistent mistake I saw buyers make was underestimating the capacity of a tow vehicle. They'd start looking at half tons when they should have been looking at 3/4 or one tons. Then when I'd try to talk sense into them, they'd accuse me of trying to sell them a bigger truck because I'd make more money.

These are the guys you see careening down the Interstate with a 30' camper behind a half ton pickup with the tail dragging and the nose in the air.
 
Status! In my area, 50% of those F250/F350 super or crew cab Fords, never pull anything but its own weight! I know a guy who has a Ford F350, SRW, crew cab, 4X4, diesel. This is his second one that has NEVER had a tongue put into the receiver hitch. And NO it doesn"t have a 5th wheel hitch either. You ask him "why".... because that truck is what he wants to drive. When the tires are worn out, he trades it in for a new one. Expensive f"ing tires if you ask me!
 
City types with trucks and hogs are T to T drivers. Tavern to tavern. Butt in seat is the pay load.
 
2.3 L, 140 HP diesel BMW police car, 0-60 in 4 or 5 seconds!

I've just got to see that.

Dean
 
I understand what you're saying Dave, but just try to back a trailer with two cords of wood on it up someones' driveway some night. OK, one cord. There are places for those big heavy duty pickups but I will agree most who own them don't really need them. And, what's safety worth? I drive 60k a year in a pickup that gets 20mpg when I know that a VW Jetta TDI or a Prius will come in at around 50. Why? Safety, plus I need to haul things. 1000 pound things that are bulky. Pull a trailer down the Ohio Turnpike with a Prius? Or, worse yet, through PAs hills? I don't think so.
 
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Ya can be true but my 1980 Chev heavy half is no where near stock and it has been beefed up a good bit but also with the flat bed made heavier to boot. Not many 1/2 tons that come in at around 7000lbs empty
 
Bumper pull Camper 29' 11,000lbs
20' gooseneck stock trailer 8 head fat cattle ??lbs
25'gooseneck hauling 4430 @ 14,500lbs +7200 lbs trailer.

My F-350 really needs to be a F-450/ F550
 
I used a 76 Ford 3/4 ton to tow an 18 ft. travel trailer, with the high end Reese tow hitch. It had all of the load equalizers, electric brakes on trailer, and everything i needed to keep it straiht out on the highways. Had the 360 v/8, big tranny, eight hole wheels, and a cap. Was a great tow vehicle.
 
What makes you say that ????
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Dave- I think what you are missing is that in the U.S.A. (at least for now) we can have what we WANT without having to explain it to anybody. It's called freedom. There are those that want to take choices like that away from us, and are getting pretty sucessful at it, but for now, free choice is still possible. I have an F350 that I regularly tow 25-30,000 lbs most summer weekends (should be using something bigger), but I also enjoy driving it more than my car. It gets over 20 mpg and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned. I drive it because I want to.
 
(quoted from post at 22:44:26 02/21/10) Dave- I think what you are missing is that in the U.S.A. (at least for now) we can have what we WANT without having to explain it to anybody. It's called freedom. There are those that want to take choices like that away from us, and are getting pretty sucessful at it, but for now, free choice is still possible. I have an F350 that I regularly tow 25-30,000 lbs most summer weekends (should be using something bigger), but I also enjoy driving it more than my car. It gets over 20 mpg and is the most comfortable vehicle I have owned. I drive it because I want to.
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Don't get a chip on your shoulder JR, just asking a question about if there was a difference in build. Prolly a lot more to do with roads and speed (50mph is the max speed with a trailer). Not many big mountains here either.

Dave
 
No Old you just need to admit you have a cheap junk trailer.My dad was building 4 wheeled wagons with surge and Vac.brakes(50 or so)back in the 1930s and 1940s and maybe 10-15 are still in use.I still have 4 with 4 wheel brakes that are older then you are.3 JD 963s and 1 unknowen MFG.We just got rid of a JD 963 with 4 wheel full Hyd.brakes that it and a F-350 hauled 10-12 Ton all the time.So wagon and trailer brakes have been around a lot longer then you have.
 
Better go look at a lot of the older trailers made in the 60s, 70, and even early 80s. Many of them did not come with brakes and up till just a few year ago where not made with them. Ya you could buy ones with them on them but probably less then 50% of them didn't have brakes.
Oh by the way do I call your stuff JUNK no I do not so please why not be nice and not call what I have junk. Oh and yes brakes where an option not standard equipment for decades and I have had many that where either way
 
I will still stick with what I said before.It has been a law for over 50 yrs.(before that it was more varied)that ANY trailer grossing over 1500# or some states 3000#were to have brakes on all wheels.Just because some fly by night back yard builder didn't doesn't make it right.Been a lot of trailers taken off the road and dealers fined for selling those trailers.One other thing,your post on riding in a fifth wheel camper,you had better check the law,only about a third of the states allow it and some of them put restrictions on it.
 
Well Missouri does and in Missouri I carry a CDL and also in this state brakes and even tail lights on trailers has no been law for all that long as in a lot less then 50 years. And if you think about it a 2 horse trailer will be way way way below the brake required type of trailer so go blow it out your
 
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