(quoted from post at 07:32:57 02/04/10) I do not think the words "Software" and "Brake Systems" should be in the same sentence.
Kent
Sorry, bc, but in my book that is a bunch of rationalization B.S.! When a man's foot hits the pedal, the brake should be applied NOW! No one second delay allowed! The guy blowing thru the red light always gives the other guy a one second heads-up, ya know.(quoted from post at 10:36:03 02/04/10) I've got a Prius and don't have brake problems.
What some people perceive as brake problems is that when you have it in normal drive position, the engine is not engaged to give you any additional engine braking when you let off the gas. Accordingly, you do have to put a little more pressure on the brake and sooner when compared to driving another car. More of a perception issue than a real braking issue. I notice it when slowing down for a corner, in my pickup or any other vehicle the engine slows it down as I usually back off the gas fairly early and don't have to brake so much. With the Prius, I have to brake a little sooner than the other vehicles.
The Prius also has a drive gear that allows the engine to be engaged for braking. I've used it in the mountains and it works allright but for normal flat land driving, I don't use it.
Prius brakes are a non issue if you understand what is going on.
(quoted from post at 09:07:34 02/04/10) Every car company has had major screw-ups, regardless of what country it was built in. Just seems that people (along with the media) make more of a big deal about it and whine. Many recalls were done ad hoc, some voluntary, and some mandated without all the silly press coverage. The Ford "roll-over" SUVS and "bad" Firestone tires are a prime example of media hype.
Ford has a recall on 14 million cars and trucks right now due to the chance of them catching fire (my 1994 F250 is in the list).
Remember the "blow up" gas tanks in the Ford Pintos? Sudden gas pedal take off with Volkswagen-Audis in the 80s? Dead-on-the-road Chevy Vegas with aluminum-bore engines built like lawn mower engines? Or, pre 1982 one piece hood/cowls in Chevy/GMC pickups that alledgely cut off your head in certain collisions? The first Honda cars that literally fall apart?
Ford cars and pickups that catch fire due to the brake-switch have been in some sort of process of recall for years. My 94 is still on the recall list and I haven't fixed it yet. I brought it to a Ford dealer last summer and they refused to fix it. Now, I just got a letter direct from Ford asking me to LET them fix it.
I kind of hate to say it, but Toyota has been #1 with quality control for a very long time. Maybe now they getting a little slack, fat and lazy. But certainly now worse then any of the other makes. It was Japanese companies e.g. Toyota and Datsun that forced GM and Ford to start making better vehicles back in the late 70s, early 80s. In that regard, the foreign cars did us a favor.
On the subject of recalls, tractor companies have their problems as well. Deere has had some massive recalls over the years. Probably the biggest was when they had to recall every 2010 and 450 crawler ever made with the HL-R transmission - because people were getting killed from run-overs in neutral.
(quoted from post at 12:46:24 02/04/10) I don't buy that for a minute. USA companies got away with a lot until they got called on it - by better imported products. And it wasn't just cars and trucks. Same applies to small engine and power equipment. Briggs & Sratton, for example, sold much better engines in Europe that they did here. Why? Because we are a throw-away society.
But when Honda came into the small engine market and outlasted Briggs engines 2 to 1, things changed fast.
By your reasoning, there would of been a big drop in quality in USA cars when imports got popular. That is NOT what happened in general. US cars retained the status quo, and many imports were shown to be much better. Typical US rig was considered "risky" at 60K miles and worn out by 100K. A typical Toyota and Datsun still ran fine at 200K. Some imports were worse also, e.g. Lancia, Peugot, Fiat, Borgard, Hillman, Morris Gargages, Trimumph, etc. What did happen is . . . people were finding out that imported cars were lasting much longer than the average US rigs.
If USA rigs had cost-cutting problems, much of that was due to inflated Union wages - with people making money WAY above thier skill levels.
The import makers were hungry, and the USA makers fat, spoiled, and lazy. Same sort of syndrome occurs in any business over time. And maybe, it's happening a bit with Toyota now.
OK, I did it! My 'homework', that is. It is all a great big 'ol left wing conspiracy! BO has failed at every dumb a$$ move so far & now he HOPES to save face by bashing the crap out of the Toyota company & shifting buyers to HIS Government Motors company. I may be slow occasionally, but now I got it!(quoted from post at 19:59:55 02/04/10) JMOR, you need to do some homework man and review all the recalls and silent recalls in the history of American vehicles. There are so many they are too numerous to mention. I for one don't mind a problem I just want to know how they react to the problem. I will list a few for example of which I have a first hand experience GMC tucks gray and blue paint flaking off ( silent recall). Next is exploding fan blades on the S-15 GMC mine went before the recall came out. Ford F-150 steering shaft problem mine was called in and found to be near failure. Ford F-150 seat belt retractor failure mine still does not function properly I just gave up. My oldest sons 1995 blazer has one of the most recall records in the history of American vehicles and he's had problems with all of them. That is just a small list of problems I've owned 25 new Americans vehicles in my driving history the least have been my Ford F-150 and Toyota Camry that's why I'm on my 14th year with the F-150 and my wife has leased her 2nd Camry.
(quoted from post at 22:41:14 02/05/10) Not a problem JMOR I guess in summary with the advancement of technology it is hard to keep up with every little problem or serious problem so as a lot of previous posts have mentioned it's not so much the problem as how it is handled. I'm certainly not bashing any manufacturer and would love to say that I don't buy anything but USA made but you have to admit Honda and Toyota have done their part to keep the American economy going even though profits go to Japan but that is a part of global trade. FYI as I speak I just bought a 2009 Harley Davidson Ultra with 28 miles on it and got a recall on a gas tank mount issue which could could cause death or serious injury but I'm OK with that because they are dealing with it at no charge. Have a good one. CT
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