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OT, Toyota 2.3 Mil more recall, be careful

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Be sure you (and especially the wivesand daughters)are aware that this could happen.

Accelerator sticks.

Although Toyota hasn't indicated how many incidents led to this particular recall, they did indicate that reports of stuck gas pedals have surfaced in vehicles with no floor mats.

“In recent months, Toyota has investigated isolated reports of sticking accelerator pedal mechanisms in certain vehicles without the presence of floor mats,” said TMS Group Vice President Irv Miller.

“Our investigation indicates that there is a possibility that certain accelerator pedal mechanisms may, in rare instances, mechanically stick in a partially depressed position or return slowly to the idle position. Consistent with our commitment to the safety of our cars and our customers, we have initiated this voluntary recall action.”
 
Big difference. They have stopped blaming the customers, which is very interesting. They must have solid evidence of failure.
 
The thing to remember on a push-button ignition is that you must hold the "off" button in for three seconds to shut it off if it's in gear. Not knowing this is likely what killed the cop in the borrowed Lexus in California.

Mine has an ignition key and it stops when I turn it off. I tried.
 
slam it in neutral & let the rev limiter worry about the engine.....even if it grenades it isn't worth my life!
 
I do not worry about my wife or daughter they drive cars made in America by Americans that belong to a brotherhood of Americans. Furthermore it will be a cold day in he11 when you see a Kabota or some other piece of foreign built junk on my farm!
 
(quoted from post at 20:54:56 01/21/10) I do not worry about my wife or daughter they drive cars made in America by Americans that belong to a brotherhood of Americans. Furthermore it will be a cold day in he11 when you see a Kabota or some other piece of foreign built junk on my farm!
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They must not be driving anything near new then, since a recently published list of cars show NONE with all American content.........maximum American content belongs to Ford LTD CV/MERC Marque........went down real fast after those two (one). :cry:
 
Animal, you should have done a little research, Toyota have numerous plants in North America where these vehicles are made so they are not foreign, however the taxpayers of
Mississippi, Kentucky, Texas, Alabama and Canada may not be pleased to know they have subsidised the company for over 1 Billion USD. Here in Australia they advertise the Hilux as "unbreakable" so you should feel safe in them.and yes, our Govt. just gave them a swag of coin for a hybrid vehicle.Seems if you are a car maker you can have one arm dangling in the Federal Treasury.
 
Humm interesting,,, I work on cars and had to call the customer to figger out how to start the first one I worked on with a push button,,, I don't like a push button,,, I had a run away stuck accelerator on a ford wind star just turned the ignition switch off,, the accelerator got stuck under the floor mat and it was interesting cuzz it was hunt'n the other end of the road,,, It had a drivability problem and i wanted to see it it went away under full accel,,,,I did not think a mat could do this but it did...

not sure but think'n this may be a drive by wire problem... lets take 3 sec plus under full acell at 55 it could get interesting how fast you would be going before you got the engine shut off with a push button and then got to brake it down in traffic
 
Better back up and rethink things on this one. Toyota has been building cars in the U.S. for decades as has Subaru and a couple others. tThen also do this look at a ford ranger truck it has a Mazda engine in it as does the Ford probe. Year ago the Chev Nova had a Toyota engine in it and the Chrysler Lebon has a Mitsubishi engine in it so any more how can you buy a car made in the U.S. with out buying something with a jap name on it
 
I sure would hate to tell all the folks in Princeton IN or Georgetown KY make'n Toyotas that they are foriners! The IN plant is just north of me and that is the only place folks in the coal mines quit to go to work for. And they don't even have a union helping them get the $25+/hour they make.

Dave
 
Toyota? lol Didn't think any red-blooded Americans would own one. Oh, I know those kooks on the coasts like them, but then they like sushi, French wines, and soccer.
 

Prius: 100% made & assembled in Japan. Zero American content (source: BO's NHTSA)
 


Their is no rethink to it, I could give a big rats a$$ where it is made, but I sure as heck know which country the profits go to!









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Now days it is a world market and there is no looking back to made in the U.S.A. since most things made in the U.S. has something in it that way made some place else. Just an example a RCA TV has jap parts in it but is built and own by the U.S.
 
RCA is owned by Thomson SA, a FRENCH electronics company. Zenith WAS the last American TV manufacturer & many years ago it was sold to the Koreans.
 
(quoted from post at 08:45:27 01/22/10) ............. there is no looking back to made in the U.S.A. since most things made in the U.S. has something in it that way made some place else. ......................
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That's right and those arguing that products like Toyota are "made" in the USA are sorely mistaken. They might be "assembled" here, but the big bucks profits and the design philosophy goes right back to Japan.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that while (maybe only Ford) can be competitive, Toy/ Honda/ etc can use US workers, skim the profits back to the Island, and still show good profits?
 
(quoted from post at 11:59:01 01/22/10)
(quoted from post at 08:45:27 01/22/10) ............. there is no looking back to made in the U.S.A. since most things made in the U.S. has something in it that way made some place else. ......................
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That's right and those arguing that products like Toyota are "made" in the USA are sorely mistaken. They might be "assembled" here, but the big bucks profits and the design philosophy goes right back to Japan.

Doesn't anyone find it interesting that while (maybe only Ford) can be competitive, Toy/ Honda/ etc can use US workers, skim the profits back to the Island, and still show good profits?
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I do. And I think it has to do with exactly what so many on these boards seem to think we need more of........laws, regulations, etc. to hamstring our American companies to make them even less competitive. I don't know wht so many want to blame, tear down, regulate, penalize, destroy corporate America. A corporation is a group of people, hired by a board of directors, elected by the stockholders to use our (the stockholders) money to make a profit for us, our 401K funds, retirement plans, money to pay our bills and live better on. Any corporate penalties, taxes, regulatory costs are passed directly to you & me. A corporation pays NO taxes, they simply collect them for the government and pass them on to you & I (hidden for govt's benefit) in the cost of products & services. Taxing a corporation plays well into the 'big bad big guy' vs 'little guy' class envy senario & aids the government in taxing us more in a way that they hope we will not recognize. More corporate tax results in higher prices to consumer, fewer dollars to share holders, more layed off workers, more jobs overseas (to escape such burdens), an on & on.
Corporations are like the IRS in a way...a giant tax collector(s), but they do not really pay taxes, we do. There should be no such thing as is called a corporate tax. As is we get to pay twice, first we pay what is taken from the corporation as a tax and then we pay again on any profits derived from our investment in the corporation. Stop that & tax the people directly, without the pass-thru, so we can see more clearly how big out tax burden really is. Next, stop preferential treatment for foreign companies. Look at import/export tariffs, etc. There is more, but I'm out of time.
People need to stop playing into the deceptive game foisted upon us to push the envy, hate, blame game and open eyes and learn vs listening to the propaganda.
 
America has a strange way of rewarding success. We punish our strongest industries with stringent labor laws (remember the NLRB of the 1970's)), equal employment laws, safety laws, and pollution laws. Then we turn our head and buy products from foreign companies (most import vehicles are 50% foreign content) that use virtually slave labor, pollute our world, have no safety standards, treat women and minorities as chattels and dump the filthy ballast from their ships into our harbors.. What a contradiction. It’s as if we are far too proud to steal, but more than willing to turn our head and buy something we know was stolen by someone else.

If you don’t think the US auto companies deserve government assistance, you should consider these facts:

‘The foreign auto makers have already received their big slice of the government pie. Tennessee gave VW $285,000 per job to locate a plant in their state. Toyota got $300 million to build a new plant in Texas, or $150,000 per job. Alabama paid $110,000 per job to Toyota, Hyundai, and Honda.’ Wall street Journal 12-18-08
 
OK guys I could get into a pi??ing match with some of you folks but obviously you haven't done your homwork but if you study Japanese culture there is no love lost with them and the chinese I would be willing to bet there are more chinese parts in American made tractors and vehicles than any of the Japanese vehicles made in the US. I know because both of my sons work for Honda of America and I was a maintenance manager for one of their suppliers for them and Toyota of Elizabethtown Ky. for ten years. I left because I saw this auto glut coming and got into the food industry.
 
Toyota claims the defective part is from one parts supplier.
The sad truth is that the defective throttle part has a good chance of being American made.

All Toyota models named in the recall are made in North america and claim to have high US parts content.

I did a Google search of which models are affected and where their built.
 
(quoted from post at 19:51:58 01/22/10) Toyota claims the defective part is from one parts supplier.
The sad truth is that the defective throttle part has a good chance of being American made.

All Toyota models named in the recall are made in North america and claim to have high US parts content.

I did a Google search of which models are affected and where their built.
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nly matters a little, as the prime has responsibility to specify and make sure parts received meet his specifications. Can't skate that easily.
 
The Tundra also has a problem. My son and I each own 2008 Tundras. The tailgates are tearing at the welds on both ends where the front and back panels are welded together. Starts as a tiny tear at the upper weld and expands from there. We looked at 18 other trucks that are not used as work trucks and 17 of the have cracks from tiny to very large. Toyota says it's abuse. I asked them how they could say that since the only weight my truck has ever had on the tailgate was me and they said, there ya go, you over loaded it. It's only rated to hold 187lbs. This is a very short version of this story. Neither of us will ever own a Junkota again.
 
Granted, the buck stops with Toyota.
Just saying that it is sad that "Made in USA" has changed from a badge of assurance and pride to a warning label.

The FACT still remains that the models affected by this recall are all made in North america with a high US made parts content.

The last defective new automotive electrical part I had was a distributor rotor. The thing was a mess, looked like the molding machine ran out of plastic.
The part that fits over the distributor shaft was too short, rough and grainy looking plastic that fit sloppy loose on the distributor shaft, totally unusable. Yet a workman had installed the brass and steel parts on this junk bit of obviously defective plastic, it passed inspection and was put in a box for shipping.
My prejadice showing, I wondered if this piece of junk came from China or Mexico ?
I rolled the box around looking for the country of origin. Clearly printed on the box was "Made in USA" :-(
 
KL, that"s interesting about the Tundra my next door neighbor has one of the first models and he beat"s the dog crap out of it because he has a mowing service in the summer and tows a big trailer full of mowers in the summer and he shoves that thing. I talked him into putting dual exhaust on it like my F-150 with a K&N filter and he swears by it. Now on the downside in my travels I"ve found the new versions were having frame rail problems and in some instances totalling out the recall vehicles and offering new replacement vehicles due to getting rust pit holes in the frames which came from an American supplier using Chinese steel second problem was soft cams in the 4.7L Lexus engine they were using and I"m not sure where that engine is made I thought Japan but I heard that plant is on the west coast. I thought it was interesting that in the case of frame rail problems they weren"t even letting junk dealers buy them they all went back to the plant for destruction. I actually know a person with the frame rail problem and one person with the cam problem. Go figure. CT
 
(quoted from post at 23:55:04 01/22/10) Granted, the buck stops with Toyota.
Just saying that it is sad that "Made in USA" has changed from a badge of assurance and pride to a warning label.

The FACT still remains that the models affected by this recall are all made in North america with a high US made parts content.

The last defective new automotive electrical part I had was a distributor rotor. The thing was a mess, looked like the molding machine ran out of plastic.
The part that fits over the distributor shaft was too short, rough and grainy looking plastic that fit sloppy loose on the distributor shaft, totally unusable. Yet a workman had installed the brass and steel parts on this junk bit of obviously defective plastic, it passed inspection and was put in a box for shipping.
My prejadice showing, I wondered if this piece of junk came from China or Mexico ?
I rolled the box around looking for the country of origin. Clearly printed on the box was "Made in USA" :-(
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"High American content": Of the recalled models most have 50 to 85% American content with Highlander & RAV4 at 5% & 25%.
 
Animal, alright I spent several years in organized labor as a skilled tradesman and witnessed a lot of bad things while assemblers were buiding your american vehicle from drunks stumbling in at the bell putting on tires and fenders and installing windshields crooked and half of the vehicles going to repair before shipment and union hearings putting employees in rehab for the fourth or fifth time and then later drug issues which I'm sad to say has crept into all aspects of industry. You may want to check but the car you say is built by americans may have been built in Mexico. The above issues are not isolated to union plants but also is infecting the so called Jap plants as you would call them it is an american virus of epidemic proportions.
 
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