Where do some of these misserable brain dead idiots get their badges? It's illegal to bait or feed deer in Michigan because of the fear of chronic wasting disease. I have 35 loads of ear corn piled in the edge of a 6 acre or so pasture,completely surrounded by a 5 strand barbed wire fence. It's about 150 feet from 4 other cribs full of corn. Do you see where I'm going with this? That's right,some useless morron woman DNR officer stopped today and told my wife that we were going to have to cover it. Said it was a baiting issue. First off,I'm NOT going to cover it. It would trap the moisture in and it would rot. Second,I don't know who's luckier that I was hauling bales and wasn't here when she stopped,her or me. I'd probably be in jail right now if she'd talked to me about it. I sent an email to the state Farm Bureau office to see if they have a leg to stand on. Hope somebody gets back to me on it tomorrow. If these idiots are stupid enough to push me on this,it's the last straw. I'm calling and auctioneer and a realtor. A$$heads don't know the difference between baiting and temporary storage. Guess they'd better do something about the thousands of tons of sugar beets that are piled up all over the state with NO fence around them,and the round bales in the fencerows,the open sided haybarns,open faced bunker silos. I'm so pi$$ed off right now I could spit nails! D@mn this worthless state and everybody in it!
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- Thread starter rrlund
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Most states have a "Right to Farm" statute- which says, in essence, "if I'm following best management practices in my farming operation, I'm pretty much immune to any foolishness anyone tries to foist on me." This would be a convenient end run around mindless DNR person.
Even if Michigan doesn't have such a statute, I'd call her bluff- let her do what she will, then challenge her in court. In my experience, judges generally have more common sense than bureaucrats, and usually have little tolerance for them.
Even if Michigan doesn't have such a statute, I'd call her bluff- let her do what she will, then challenge her in court. In my experience, judges generally have more common sense than bureaucrats, and usually have little tolerance for them.
ScottyHOMeY
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I have an idea that fella's superior would be more than glad to rein him in. Perhaps he needs reminding that farmers in most states (yours may be one of them) have special gunning privileges with regard to deer and other critters damaging and eating their crops.
I can understand why you're hot, I would be, too. But this guy is far enough beyond the pale, I don't see any problem in shuttin' him down. Your corn is no more bait now than it was all the time it was on the stalk. Raise the right kind of Cain, and I suspect Officer Friendly is gonna be on the receivin' end of a fatherly talk.
I can understand why you're hot, I would be, too. But this guy is far enough beyond the pale, I don't see any problem in shuttin' him down. Your corn is no more bait now than it was all the time it was on the stalk. Raise the right kind of Cain, and I suspect Officer Friendly is gonna be on the receivin' end of a fatherly talk.
I'm a pretty calm guy. That would be upsetting to me too.
This sort of thing is going to get worse & worse.
I'd agree with the others that this must be a real newbie & way out of line and should get talked to by his superiors. I would think?
We are all going to a hot place in a handbasket. The EPA is going to be stronger than the DNR now with all the power it just grabbed.
We are becoming a 3rd world country. Not there now, but - 20-30 years. We will have bound ourselves up to be imobile & incapible & be dependent on the rest of the world.
--->Paul
This sort of thing is going to get worse & worse.
I'd agree with the others that this must be a real newbie & way out of line and should get talked to by his superiors. I would think?
We are all going to a hot place in a handbasket. The EPA is going to be stronger than the DNR now with all the power it just grabbed.
We are becoming a 3rd world country. Not there now, but - 20-30 years. We will have bound ourselves up to be imobile & incapible & be dependent on the rest of the world.
--->Paul
Zube Stumbo
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I worked with some coppers like that while I was on the PD. Had a feller from ANOTHER state whip out his badge on us in a city park while we were on horse back trying(and eventually succeeding)to catch a flasher. Said we were in his way. We whipped out our badges and told him he better get his badge fixed 'cause it ain't working here. Common sense is lost on some folk, especially if they ain't farmers. I ALWAYS tried to make the honest business owner, farmer, firefighter, etc. right if at all possible. I want my house fire put out and I want to eat. Ego problem, most likely, or scared of his boss.
id call this womans office and request that they find her a desk job until she demonstraits enough knowledge to be in the field, she obviously doesnt know her rear hole from duck butter, dont give up then she wins and if youve been farming long you'll go nuts in a town home
GeneMO
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- Pilot Grove, Mo.
If it is a normal and accepted practice in your area to store corn that way, then I would tell the DNR person to go have intercourse with herself.
I planted a couple acre strip in sunflowers, in the middle of a CRP field to attract doves. Then I bush hogged down a strip of the sunflowers when they were ready and right before dove season. Then I got worried and called the Dept. of Conservation protection supervisor. He said as long as it grew there as a food plot, it was OK. But if I bought a 5lb bag and threw a few cups on the ground I would be in violation of baiting.
Go figure. I probably had 200 bushel on the ground, but throwing out a cupfull, a no-no.
Gene
I planted a couple acre strip in sunflowers, in the middle of a CRP field to attract doves. Then I bush hogged down a strip of the sunflowers when they were ready and right before dove season. Then I got worried and called the Dept. of Conservation protection supervisor. He said as long as it grew there as a food plot, it was OK. But if I bought a 5lb bag and threw a few cups on the ground I would be in violation of baiting.
Go figure. I probably had 200 bushel on the ground, but throwing out a cupfull, a no-no.
Gene
Anonymous-0
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It is completely different up here. When the deer become a problem a call to the Game and Fish Dept. gets the Private Lands Biologist to come out with materials to fence off the hay and silage. If that is not enough the Game Warden will issue me as many depradation permits as I want. We live in the middle of noware, 2 families in one township. In fact, the Game Warden is the only Law Enforcement Officer that will even bother comming out here. In the last year or so he busted a meth lab in an abondon farm and aressted some guys breaking into my neighbors barn. We love to see him come around.
I totally know where you're coming from. One day last winter I worked all morning cutting up a fallen tree in the pasture up on a steep bank. Carried limbs & logs up hill to burn them on the stump. Fire under control & burning nice about one o'clock- i ran to the house for a dry T-shirt & sweatshirt and a cold drink. Went back to stir fire and found the fence had been destroyed, the fire was put out by the fire dept, logs thrown all over the hillside & soaked. Soon a fire person in a State truck that we taxpayers paid for , truck had blue municipal license that we pay for & a guy driving around on my gas and on a salary we pay for shows up down on the road. By the time I hotfooted it down over the hill to that truck he had locked his door & had window up nearly tight & without thinking, I put about 15 of the best jabs, hooks, and straights all over his truck as he sped away. Oh well, I never said I was very smart!
I had a cop come into work today and whine about a handicap ticket ($150) he recieved today in his personal vehicle. Said it was a ridiculous fine and he didn't see the signs and went on about how cops use discresion and my officers shouldn't have wrote it and yadayada.... I found it pretty ironic.
old
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- Camdenton Missouri
Yep funny how if you grow it, it is not bait but if you throw it out on the ground it is. I checked into what a bag of seed corn would cost this year to do a food plot and said to heck with paying $75 plus for a bag. I got a bag of feed corn and just used it and it grew well and boy did it seem to feed something since the cobs are laying on the ground with no corn on it
Zube Stumbo
Member
Amen brother.
old
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- Camdenton Missouri
Yep know how you feel. I have a creek that fills with gravel and the gravel need to be cleaned out every few year. DNR say I need to have a permit to do so which cost $$ but in turn if it is not cleaned out it can/will hurt my land but guess what they will not pay me for the damage to my land. Plus I have been turned in by people for cleaning it out but for a person to know I'm doing it they have to trespass to see and DNR does not see it as some one else braking the law just me. Gov. people are a bunch of a$$ hole in my book
Anonymous-0
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Don't get mad and do something that puts her in the right! Take a picture of it then just continue doing what you were going to do anyway and let her try to take it somewhere. If she comes back tell her to put it in writing. Also get in touch with Farm Bureau and any other farm related organization.
It sounds too outrageous to have legs in court.
It sounds too outrageous to have legs in court.
Anonymous-0
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All this makes me wonder what Noah would go thru if he tried to build an ark now.
Walterdavies
Member
A few years ago they tried to get a law that we couldn't have a cow within 200 yards of any water. Now that really sounds dumb so we voted it down. No telling what those idiots will come up with next.
Walt
Walt
(quoted from post at 21:10:35 12/08/09) A few years ago they tried to get a law that we couldn't have a cow within 200 yards of any water. Now that really sounds dumb so we voted it down. No telling what those idiots will come up with next.
Walt
What a co inki dink, I just had these govt people come into my college soils class the other day and lecture us on that topic, saying that cows pollute our water supplys by overloading it with P and K.
I could care less either way, these people also were preeching no till which i dont believe in personally
I would go Internal Affairs within DNR & file a complaint. This could be the straw that broke the camels back. It maybe the fuel that her supervisors need to can her butt. Lord only knows how she got this job to start with. I will lay you odds, that she has screwed up before or will again in the future. That reflects badly on her department.
Led
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cj in wisconsin
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when I had a run in with the Wisconsin DNR "Darn near Russia" I went straight to my state rep and then to the senator herself, I got a reaction quickly. But you have to remember that these self righteous near Nazis think that there is no such thing as a gray area in the law. A buddy of mine got a DNR ticket for having a picture of a deer head with no tag on it. Which is not illegal, but the little Hitler youth warden said in his judgemnet it must have been an illegal deer. Got thrown out of court but still cost my buddy to fight it.
Tell the b!tch to get off your land and if she has any proof for her allegations, she"d best be prepared to present it. Simply having an open pile of corn is NOT proof.
The next thing the State has to prove is INTENT.
They don"t have either proof you were/are baiting deer or that you had intent to do so.
They haven"t got a leg to stand on.
The next thing the State has to prove is INTENT.
They don"t have either proof you were/are baiting deer or that you had intent to do so.
They haven"t got a leg to stand on.
Its only going to get worse. Have a younger cousin I hadn't see since he was a little boy. Said he works for the state as a environmental person. Raised in the city all his life. I told him to his face you are the kind of person that just scares the h%ll out of me. I got out of the fuel business because of people like you.
Being a Court Officer I can tell you she doesn"t have a leg to stand on. First of all she has no evidence of any kind that you are feeding the deer herd. Your corn is fenced in,..thus you have provided a barrier to keep them out not let them in. Her caase is mighty weak in any court. Like other posts have said,..start at the top and tell the DNR (a Supervisor of sorts) exactly what you are doing in reference to storage of your crop. Believe me,.. they will back off.
Anonymous-0
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I had a similar problem in keeping my creek drained properly due to a state highway culvet being substandard. Passersby would turn me in and I would get a letter from the local ecolgy folks. After explaining it to them, they said it was ok to maintain traditional farm drainage. They haven't bothered me since.
Anonymous-0
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Your state may have a right to farm law or something like it, you might check into that and tell them to pack sand.
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