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rhouston 11-20-2009 11:40:06 24.97.211.2 817786 Report to Moderator	Obvously someone posted something that irritated Ol' Tommmy and got a decent OT post deleted. So here is a link to the story and a question The question is. In the article they stated "The SPCA said anyone who can’t afford proper pet care should contact the group for information on financial assistance." did they offer financial assistance to the woman or just have her arrested? There is a reason I will not send animals to the SPCA nor will I donate to them. As is usual with any news organization we are only getting half the story. Link to news story [Reply]   [No Email]
T_Bone 11-21-2009 05:31:03 64.57.205.153 817928 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   We just had a litter of one that lived. The cat had another one that was half in and half out that was dead for about 10hrs. I tried too pull it but it wasn't coming out. I then used some Vaseline trying to assist and that didn't work so I called 5 vets. All 5 vets said ohh ya bring her in right away or she'll die and BTW it'll be between $1100 too $2000 for a "C" section. So I educated myself a little and found out that it's not uncommon for cats to take upto 48hrs to deliver a kitten. 1/2hr latter and the dead litten was out on it's own. The next day we repeated the same process for 18hrs before the second dead kitten was completely out. So from that, all vets are not the sharpest knife on the block. T_Bone   [Reply]   [No Email]
135 Fan 11-20-2009 21:26:38 68.149.56.30 817894 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   I saw the original post and I think because some people compared animals to humans is why it got deleted. I agree it should have been deleted. It's sad that many people consider a dog mans best friend but if it needs medical attention, they can't afford it. How can anyone know if an injured animal is suffering? Dogs in particular give us great companionship and never complain. The least we can do is help them if they need medical attention. Vets aren't cheap but if you want a pet, you should realize that it may need some medical attention at some point. If it were cattle that was sick or injured, you wouldn't hesitate to call the vet but a dog doesn't seem worthy? Hmmm? Dave   [Reply]   [No Email]
paul 11-20-2009 18:24:57 66.44.132.155 817870 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   Huh. I was looking forward to reading reactoins to my message. Oh well. --->Paul   [Reply]   [No Email]
Ric KS. 11-20-2009 16:25:35 75.104.160.55 817836 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   I believe that cruelty comes in many forms. The greatest cruelty is to confine any type of critter in a house. Exotic snakes tigers birds right up to dogs and cats. If it isnt for consumption it should be free to roam as creation intended. In its country of origen. Not set loose to propigate and cause problems later. By the way.... house pets have been found to contract H1N1 from their owners, now thats cruel.   [Reply]   [No Email]
GeneMO 11-20-2009 15:34:55 216.74.193.175 817830 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   My wife volunteers at a theraputic riding center for handicaped folks. We have taken in 5 different horses of theirs when they could no longer work as therapy animals because they were down in the back or too old. We still have two of those animals after 10 years. My question, one of the old horses kept going down hill in spite of the best care. When it became obvious he was not going to get better, I led him over the hill and shot him. Now I guess if the wrong person found that out I would have been in some sort of trouble right? This liberal, bleeding heart way of thinking is going to eventually ruin this country. Gene   [Reply]   [No Email]
ChrisinMO 11-20-2009 15:56:51 99.195.214.249 817834 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to GeneMO, 11-20-2009 15:34:55   I dunno. I think that this way of thinking has already ruined this country. Christopher   [Reply]   [No Email]
jdemaris 11-20-2009 12:31:21 72.171.0.143 817790 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to rhouston, 11-20-2009 11:40:06   I made the first post and never suspected that this could turn "politcal" or "contraversial." I live in the "general" area. I'm in a rural farming area 50 miles away, but the nearest "big city" is the NY capital region where this happened. It was on last night's TV news along with this morning's TV news and newspaper. The woman's name and photograph was shown all over the place, yet no name or photo of the "hero" vet that turned her in (at least I didn't see it). Note this woman has not been convicted of any crime, yet she's already been judged guilty by the news media, vet, and ASPCA. I'll further note that I've had several animals with broken legs including a dog and a goat. Fixed them both ourselves when it was too costly at the vet. And yes, one dog had a slight limp the rest of his life - but it was a life he very much enjoyed. So, come arrest me. Note further that both my legs have been broken and are full of steel. Cost many thousands of dollars and I limp a heck of a lot worse then my dog ever did. So, can I arrest the orthopedic surgeon? The real crime here is the fear these idiots are going to put into some people who may never call a vet again.   [Reply]   [Send Email]
mjbrown 11-20-2009 17:42:24 75.236.168.10 817863 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to jdemaris, 11-20-2009 12:31:21   Didn't I read somewhere there is also a new law in NY that if you bury your dead pets on your own property you are required to put markers on the grave? Along with the new no burning rules it's getting hard in this state to be law abiding.   [Reply]   [No Email]
James Howell 11-20-2009 13:50:10 144.162.41.170 817811 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to jdemaris, 11-20-2009 12:31:21   Over 25 years ago there was a "stray" cat that decided to adopt me. I fed the old cat and took care of him. He had a broken left paw that had healed incorrectly and was shaped in the form of an "L". A large "callus" had formed on the bottom of his "L" shaped leg from walking on the "stub". The cat got around fine and never displayed any discomfort or pain when walking around. The cat never displayed pain when I "handled" his broken leg/paw; only "purred" really loud from the attention. Took the cat in for it's shots; vet decided/determined the cat was in "extreme pain" and convinced me to put the cat to "sleep". 25 years later and I know that was a bad/wrong decision on my part. Might be the wrong attitude, but nowdays a cat must be at death's door before I agree to put it to sleep.   [Reply]   [No Email]
Lamar Fudd 11-20-2009 17:37:58 173.28.133.167 817862 Report to Moderator	Re: OT. Mandated Animal Health Care again. in reply to James Howell, 11-20-2009 13:50:10   I know its little comfort now but an awful lot of vets don't like cats. Maybe you had one of those?   [Reply]   [No Email]