Allis chalmers 7040 hard start diagnosis help.

chevy hal

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I need some verification with my diagnosis. I overhauled this A/C 7040, replaced crank,all bearings, Rings,( Pistons were good, They were replace 3yrs ago along with the sleeves) One connecting rod #4 cylinder, Timing idler gear bearings,( .010 lash on gears) and had the head gone through at machine shop.
My problem is that the engine is very hard to start, and has a sharp knock ( sounds like an injector.(I pulled all the rerbuilt injectors out and tested them, all are popping off at 3750 psi. and have a good spray pattern). This knock is most noticable off idle on accell, and is not as bad when warmed up. there is alot of smoke during starting(only will start with either at 3/4 throttle, and takes along time to get going, like timing is retarded) I am positive of cam timing and originally the pump timing ( by the book) was set to 16 deg BTDC.
I have increased timing to 20 deg BTDC and it helped a little but still smokes alot(Grayish white and a small puff of black on accell) Acelleration is not quick. The pump is a stanadyne and lookes fairly new. I feel my problem is with the injection pump. It did start better but smoked and had a rod knocking and #1&#2 piston rings stuck. Center head bolts were rusted( head was machined) new headbolts were installed.
Am I on the right track with the pump or should I be checking something else? I work on GM Diesels all day long, and this simple tractor is getting the better of me. Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. hal
 
(quoted from post at 11:55:05 09/23/09) I ne
you are a 180 out on timing they well run sorta so change timming and on your 190 high clutch pack is out also when thes tractor get old the rubber pads that are under the deck wear out and make it hard to adjust the linkage on hi lo
 
(quoted from post at 15:10:34 09/23/09)
(quoted from post at 11:55:05 09/23/09) I ne
you are a 180 out on timing they well run sorta so change timming and on your 190 high clutch pack is out also when thes tractor get old the rubber pads that are under the deck wear out and make it hard to adjust the linkage on hi lo
Hi Ben. Well I rechecked the timing by removeing the # 1 injector and turning engine untill compresion stroke 16Deg BTDC. then i removed timing cover on pump and timing marks are aligned. Just to make sure mark was on #1 injector, I removed line from pump then bolts from pump gear and turned pump one revolution. when the timing marks lined up in the pump window , fuel came out of the #1 line fitting on pump.
Am I wrong in the way I am checking the timing? Found out today that this pump is two years old. Note: the marks in the pump window, only one is stamped on the rear disc. the one on the front is eched with an engraver by the rebuilder, not stamped. Don't know if this makes a difference or not. Do you still think I should turn the pump 180 deg? or look elsware. I don't know what you were refering to in the last part of your reply though. thanks , Hal.
 
(quoted from post at 19:29:14 09/23/09) i still think from what you discribe about the way it is running its 180 out of time. its been sometime sence i timed one i think the markes are on the front pully i usealy just watch the rocker on valve make sure its on compression. i sure you know that the #1 is the front cly.just having a scribe marke is not a problem as the tractor was running before you did the rebuild. i think i would reinstall pump and give it a try, the last part of the post i was thinking you also had the 190 with the sliping clutch pack.
 
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(quoted from post at 22:07:41 09/23/09)
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Well I tried timing the pump 180deg and It would only run off of the either.
I took the return hose off the top of the pump and let the fuel run into a bucket. ( stiil hard to start and lots of white smoke) Next I made a cover out of plexiglass to cover the timing opening in the pump , to observe the advance cam, (It move approx 1/4 " down from where it started ) I started getting a louder knock at idle. Opened # 5 & # 4 injector at the same time and knock went away. So I put all of the original injectors back in. ( Knock is gone at idle)
Smoke is still there. Hard start still there, Poor accell and a couple of knocks on accell still there. I talked to the owner today and found out that he installed this pump 2 yrs ago, and also had these very same conditions ( Hard start and white smoke) when I asked what he did to get it to run, he said that he advanced the pump alot untill it would start and not smoke as much.( he couldn't tell me how much) So I turned the pump as much as the adjustment on the gear would go. ( Helped some but still alot of smoke and intermintent knock on accell) I ordered a new pump today, should have it by middle of next week. Let you know how it goes when it gets here.( pump # DM 4629ME 2816)
 
Well I vote for a broken flex ring on the drive unless it has the metal one in it. Those look like the old GM and Ford pumps that had that issue.
 
(quoted from post at 14:31:58 09/25/09)
(quoted from post at 22:07:41 09/23/09)
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Well I tried timing the pump 180deg and It would only run off of the either.
I took the return hose off the top of the pump and let the fuel run into a bucket. ( stiil hard to start and lots of white smoke) Next I made a cover out of plexiglass to cover the timing opening in the pump , to observe the advance cam, (It move approx 1/4 " down from where it started ) I started getting a louder knock at idle. Opened # 5 & # 4 injector at the same time and knock went away. So I put all of the original injectors back in. ( Knock is gone at idle)
Smoke is still there. Hard start still there, Poor accell and a couple of knocks on accell still there. I talked to the owner today and found out that he installed this pump 2 yrs ago, and also had these very same conditions ( Hard start and white smoke) when I asked what he did to get it to run, he said that he advanced the pump alot untill it would start and not smoke as much.( he couldn't tell me how much) So I turned the pump as much as the adjustment on the gear would go. ( Helped some but still alot of smoke and intermintent knock on accell) I ordered a new pump today, should have it by middle of next week. Let you know how it goes when it gets here.( pump # DM 4629ME 2816)
Well I replaced the injection pump tonight, and the engine started with one shot of either. comparing the twopumps, the new one had stamped timing marks in the timing window and one on the drive hub in the 12 o'clock position. the old pump had one stamped timing mark and one scribed mark in the timing window and when lined up the mark on the front hub was at 1 o'clock position( this pump was never timed properly by the rebuilder) this led to the timing gear having to be moved 3 teeth to get the new pump to line up as it is supose to. This was to simple to be this complicated to diagnose. I shouldent have trusted that this pump was rebuilt properly just because it looked new. My gut feeling was correct and I thank all who replied for your insight and ideas. thanks to all, Hal
 

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