What's wrong with my tractor ????

Is what most who come to the forums want to know.
Now I qulified that by saying"MOST",I realize there are those who come to spread hate and discontient,,,,,,,we already know what should be done about/to them. So as they say in the corparate board rooms,"let's throw this up and see if it sticks to the ceiling".
What I suggest is possiably a forum dedicated almost intirely to tutorals that are put togeather by 2 or more knowledge members comunicating via e-mail while planing then if needed,utilizing U_tube post it. Let's take one example to demonstrate useing "seems like dead battry" as complaint.
A $10 volt/ohm meter can run this down in short order "IF" you have been shown how to use the meter and what the readings mean.
Always put black probe to -/neg and in the case of neg ground,to most any metal area on machine,and any where on engine. Red probe goes to hot wire being tested or pos/+ when testing for ground.For pos grnd systems see +grng tutorl
1 Test- bat post to+ post=12.5v or more bat ok go to 2 / low or no v check/charge battry.
2 Test +post to engine block=no or low volt bad cable to post or cable to engine connection/12v go to 3
3 Remove coil wire/ diesel switch to kill,transmission in N ,wheels blocked.
4 Try to start=single click each time key turned to start or start button pressed-need helper or clips on probes here-test from engine to cable connecting solonoid to starter= 12v/ put in high gear and rock rear wheel until fan blade moves a few times,put trans to N and try starter-,starter works now=hanging starter go to "hanging starter"tutorial. Still nothing?See tutorials "Ignition and starter switchs" "starter solonoids"
And so on in a systematic fashion. It just seems a shame to think those most knowledgable about the old machines will never be able to preserve that knowledge so others will enjoy it later. I realize searching the forums will tell one everything they might need to know but that doesn't seem to be the norm. With this tutorial approch,I believe it not only helps one thru thier present problem but better prepares them to solve future ones. I am excited to hear what everyone thinks and more spicificaly,to see the first presentations. If of you that know how to post links would post a couple from the diesel truck forums where it is common,that would be great.

Well since your new I will not jump you very hard. But what gives you the right to say what should be done on/in this forum. Chris and Kim own the forums and they are the only ones that have the right to do any thing here and we are just there guest. Some like my self have been here for a decade or more some like your self only a short time. Since you have only 6 posts so far my self well I have more then 25,000 post

we have some of that stuff under research and articles.

Old....I ran in to your attitude on the CB 30 years ago...I dont give a hoot how long you been on here and to try to bull over someone that just got started on here is bully to me..If someone had bulled over you when you just started you wouldn't be here to day..spelling for there is their..thanks

Well that's an excellent idea! Of course it would be real nice if the words were spelled right and the punctuation was used in the right places and the right words were used. I guess that leaves you out.

This is a DISCUSSION forum and that's what is done here. It may be repeated every now and again but you are the first to complain that I know of. Usaually I don't say much on here anymore but I felt the need tonight.

Jim

Nothing stopping you from setting up a site of your own and running it as you see fit!

Serveral Years ago., Someone kinda did that on the 8N Ford Forum (procedures yawn)....I think ideas like That would only Work in Military or Marshall Law conditions , So your( but )could be taped to the wall for YOUR failure to follow PRoPER PROCEDURE !... history has proven that very well with sometimes poor results and occasionaly Memorial Occasions that we celebrate annually .... , personally , i couldnt give a hoot about what A couple guys said from their self Appointted GOD-ly chair ,, They may not always be RIGHT , and really Cannot KNOW EVERYTHING.. PERIOD !, there are Guys On here that i have totally disagreed with and on the next topic I was in full agreement , I respect and value them for What they Are . thats why its important to get others input from the smorgasboard of ideas .. just depends on the situation ,.. besides that, the Search engine is Throughly effective to find a correct solution to most problems ,Storing history all the way back to the beginning of the forum ... Yeah , some folks will say it not perfect , But What on GODs Green and parched Earth Is ???... Sure ly not me...

Why do you think I was nice. He wants to change things that have been this way for a decade. Plus did I talk to you or him mind your own Bees Wax

Oh and by the way I also see you a guess not a member and yes when I first got on Y-T a decade ago I had to prove who I was and what I know but I also did not try to buck the guys who where here before me much

I like this place just the way it is. I am a member of four of five other forums, spend more time here than any where else. In each of the brand forums on this site there are four or more folks who will be glad to post pics, diagrams, or videos if you have a question about what ever color tractor you have. The main tractor talk forum here is kind of the online coffee shop where folks talk about general rural issues. The only model you are going to get a whole lot of usefull info about on the tractor talk page is the Essex Tridirectional.

By the way welcome to the forum, just don't go try'n to change it. (And don't be a troll)

Dave

Well said.

Dave

To say I was perplexed after reading the earliest replies is an understatment. My first inclination was to delete the post. Then on second thought I chose to leave it to try and learn something. Folks,as old so eloquently pointed out,I rarly post,I don't nor do I desire to hang out on this or any other forum. I occasionaly skim thru in hopes of seeing something interesting about old tractors,or some nice pics. However,it is my nature to make a suggestion if I think it might enhance. The reply by IH about the articles made me relize what I suggested was redundant. I made a mistake by not finding the articals earlier just as I hinted we novices often do. So what I want to learn is exactly what part of posting aggreement did I violate that would cause you asking me to leave. Gentlemen,if the arena of popular opinion on YT supports your remarks,you need not ask me to leave again,I will go some place else that teaches why the young and inexperienced are to be attacked for thier deficiancies. Meanwhile,JH,never in my emagination have I seen fit to invoke deity in something like this,and I sure don't see why you do. Bob and Old,judging from your tone one or both you must be an administrator. If so it is your duty to delete objectable posts,or prehaps instead of attempting to publicly belittle,ask them to open their e-mail so you can talk privatly. If you realy don't control this forum,I suggest you just report disallowed posts and go about your bussiness. Old,I hope you take this in the context intended. Regarding your thousands of posts you comparied to my six. A very wise man said"you will never learn one thing talking or typing,you only learn while reading or listening"and I believe it. Do you dispute that,or do you simplily feel you know it all already? Jim,as you pointed out many of us(check this thread)left school early to work the family farm,which resulted in less than perfect grammer and/or spelling. But you know what,that was just more time we spent with our parents learning good manners and about our creator. Jim with your passion to educate and my desire to learn,ask and I will open e-mail to you so as I travel the nation,you might set aside time to give at least one little short lesson. I am so disapointed that an ill advised post brought on such feelings. What can I say besides "If making a mistake was a hanging offense,very few would be present at next muster". Bottom line,with the power vested in you for thousands of posts,it should be no problem to banish me or most anyone on here. Oh,which of you do I ask premission next time.

Bee's you don't have to ask permission from any one. Sorry if my post offended you. The thing is about every 6 months some one comes on board and thinks they can improve this forum, be it a change in layout or they use it to preach their twisted form of religion. Your idea is good, but it is like I said if you have a problem with what ever color of tractor you have just ask a detailed question on one of the brand forums and the good folks who know that color of tractor inside and out will take the time to explain any thing in as much detail as you want along with pics, diagrams, and sometimes a vidio. The Tractor Talk forum is where everything not tractor specific goes and your question about a wheel bearing on an Essex tractor will get lost in the shuffle. Enjoy the forum and welcome.

Dave

The reason that would never work here is theres too many know-it-alls who will argue with a fencepost!

(quoted from post at 03:05:45 09/14/09) The reason that would never work here is theres too many know-it-alls who will argue with a fencepost!

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Say it isn't so................ :roll:
Then run off and pout if someone calls them........

But, bees, if you are serious and not just looking for a way to troll, I could see your idea helping out someone that has absolutely no idea (like me sometimes). Just can't see it working here. Not because it's not a good idea, just cause people don't like to share the park bench and behave themselves.

Dave

I think it's a great idea; when you get it up and running, be sure to post a link.

Ditto To All KYplow boy said ,, You Certainly are welcome Welcome Here .. and who am I to stop You ,.... Man, da bees , Don't get so defensive .. if you went thru public school , You Ought to have a thicker skin than that... Ease on In , like most of us did... you will enjoy the walk thru the Park ...

I spens a lot of time over at OldIHC,org, and it's truly surprising--to "old-timers" like me, anyway--the kinds of questions that come up these days. Recently, a guy who had just purchased an older truck asked what the shift pattern was on a 3-speed column shift. And there are always folks asking where the fuse panel is located [on many of the 1950's and older trucks, there wasn't one], and a lot of stuff that us folks who grew up in the 50's and '60's learned at a very young age.

But then, carbs haven't been used on passenger cars sifor almost 20 years. Points-style ignitions have been gone in that world for over 30 years. And a lot of folks may have grown up playing video games, but they don't know the first thing about a simple DC electrical circuit...which means talking to them about the need for heavier-gauge wires and cables on a 6-volt system is like speaking in Esperanto to them.

In most cases, these folks can find a lot of the answers by doing a search of the forums. But being new to the forums, and often new to the old-truck hobby, sometimes they get the idea that they're the first person to ever have the problem they're having.

So the site administrator sets up a FAQ section, where a lot of these questions are addressed...and a lot of the "newbies" are directed there. Or the questioners are directd to places and websites where they can purchase parts, service, or owners' manuals that might answer their questions. [For my Internationals, I own all 3...some of the exploded views in the parts books are much more informative than the service procedures explained in the manuals.]

But there, as here, there are folks who want to explain the test/repair procedures each time the question is asked...and there are some who will answer in detail once, and then tell subsequent questioners to search the archives...not that either approach is wrong every time.

But I think it might be a "conflict of interest" to start a "repository" of repair procedure information on a site that sells repair manuals. As the old saying goes, "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?"

As far as the hostile responses you got from some folks, all I can say is that, for some folks, that's just their nature. It's human nature to resist change...that's why this forum is still available in "classic" as well as "modern" formats. And for you to suggest a change to "the way it's always been here," since you're not the owner or moderator of the site....well, you kinda stepped in a large cowpie, in their eyes, and then tracked it into the house.

But to a degree, I understand what you're saying, Bees. A good volt-ohm meter, and the knowledge of how to properly use it, can go a long way towards solving a lot of electrical problems. And knowing the procedures--or having a FAQ explaining them--might save a lot of rehashing the same old questions over and over. But doing that--or even suggesting that--is akin to "rocking the boat," in the eyes of some folks here. And whenever someone rocks the boat, someone else if gonna give 'em hell for doing it.

JMHO.

I have been going to this site for over ten years, back when experts frequented the boards and gave good helpful answers. Now it is mostly folks that are afraid of changes or mistrustful of anyone new. Strange group. I believe this is my first post, can't compete with OLD on that part but I have been lurking for as long as he has.Lots of other boards would welcome you and your suggestions. That is not the nature of the OLD guard on this board. Still fun to read, not for expert advice, but for the childish behavior of some.

The sad part about that is the fence post is often closer to answering the question that was asked.

Bees,

Don't mind Old. I think he ran out of ATF to put on his cereal that morning. I don't see any problem with you making a suggestion like that. You didn't say that the admin. was doing a bad job or anything.

Some guys think that you have to be an expert to post here, but last time I checked there was no exam to become a member. Just needed an interest in old tractors. Some guys just don't like it when a "newbie" like yourself or I have a new idea. Just need to make sure your hide is thick enough.

You have a good idea and should go forward with your idea; gathering and sharing information is a worthwhile project.

Using a video on YouTube is an excellent idea.

I found an alternative way of starting our 70 Diesel with the Pony motor on YouTube.

You might also consider using a slide show with photos of the "steps" outlined in your tutorial.

Go to the John Deere forum and see how Pat Browning answers a question and then refers to his website for further details.

Keep working on your idea/project and be encouraged by those that are willing to help you.