OT-- how can county dispose of surpless

ldj · Aug 13, 2009

My county in TX has a 4X4 vehicle given to them by US Gov. It was an Army vehicle. They don't use it any longer and are going to dispose of it. They say since Gov. gave it to them they can't sell it at their auction without destroying it first. They say if they crush it with dozer then they could sell remains. This just doesn't sound right. It is still salvageable and I would like to have a chance to bid on it. Is the county right or do they not have the wrong information?

tlak · Aug 13, 2009

I think they're wrong, the gov has "destroy before resale", but the county wouldn't even get it without it being destroyed.

Old Roy · Aug 13, 2009

I have seen military vehicles that were donated to civil organizations like "Civil Defense" or local gov. Fire company s and parks.

Like Ducks [ amphibious } trucks, jeeps, and . one old weasel.
All went to scrap yards , but they were sold as is .
buy a truck with a blown engine then go back and buy an engine.
I have seen some for sale by individuals that refurbished , or made then for woods trucks.

JMS/.MN · Aug 13, 2009

Logical thing to do would be to have YOUR county prove their source of information...we are all outhouse lawyers, and have no jurisdiction, in your jurisdiction. Maybe the county put it in the cash for clunkers program.

Old Roy · Aug 13, 2009

Wrong,The county of Armstrong here in Pa got one 3 years ago to pull their "command post" trailer.
A 5 ton cargo complete with most markings of the Army version. New paint, new troop cover, and rag top, new cattle racks too, with the fold up benches.
used for {Homeland Security} by the county.
Really don't know why they needed it though , Rendell had already bought them a new motor home for same reasons.

tlak · Aug 13, 2009

Clarification, they have certain items that are destroy before resale and the county wouldn't get those. Almost all their vehicles are for used resale.

Old Roy · Aug 13, 2009

I guess but, I don't know too many people that would want to go chuck hunting with a tank anyway LOL

fixerupper · Aug 13, 2009

The municipality, fire dept. or other public entities who receive military equipment have to hold on to the equipment for a certain amount of time, maybe two years or so, then they can get the title from the GVT and sell it. Jim

ldj · Aug 13, 2009

Thanks for ideas. Most of what you all have said is what I was thinking. I do know some volunteer fire departments have got trucks given by Gov. and then when the fire departments updated they sell that truck. I do know there was a jeep that the Gov. said was dangerous and they destroy them before selling. But in that case the County, Fire Department, or who ever couldn't get them as an operating vehicle.

davediehl@hotmail.com · Aug 13, 2009

I looked into ours just 2 months ago and was provided with the "contract" in which allowed the department to aquire 3 items. We were provided with 2 Hummers and one 1986 Chevy Blazer. The department had to keep records of these items and provide their location for 15 years from the date of pickup. After 15 years, they are to by surrendered back to the US Army. If for any reason they were not road worthy, they would be required to destroy the unit as a whole and submit photo documentation back to the location where they were distributed. The last line of the 3rd paragraph strictly states, "not for public sale".

RN · Aug 13, 2009

Dangerous "jeep" was the M151 follow up to jeep- the Mutt designed mostly by Ford defnse to army specs. A1 and A2 versions had swing axle rear suspension like Corvair, made it hazardous on highway for untrained drivers. The A3 was independant rear suspesnion with trailing arms. Canadian contract versions from AM general and other contract (Ford?) had ROPS system, a few army/marine units had ROPS also, USDA /Forest service had some also- these models were usually not subject to the destroy order before sale to civilians as the ROPS was approved by transpotation dept and rear end didn"t suddenly break traction on high speed turns like earlier A1 and A2s. Many Canadian versions sold after adaption of weasel to civilians and titled in provinces- some of these have returned to US as sport /utility/light commercial vehicles same as old CJ5 Jeeps. RN .

Wardner · Aug 13, 2009

Perhaps things have changed but 15 years ago I bought an ex-military M-38 (tactical version of the Dodge Power Wagon) from the Newburyport, MA DPW at auction. I, in turn, sold it a couple of weeks later.

petetx · Aug 13, 2009

several years ago i bought a 1/2 ton dodge from an individual that was a army truck serial # plate on fender well was stamped U.S.Army it was a 76 model and i live in texas

Wardner · Aug 13, 2009

Oh yeah, I almost forgot.

I also bought an ex-military "water buffalo" (SS 400 gallon potable water tank on a trailer) at a consignment auction about 10 years ago. It was formerly owned by Newburgh, NY; probably the DPW.

NCWayne · Aug 13, 2009

There are several sites that sell government surplus, including vehicles of all types, so not all of them have to be destroyed. In your case I'd guess that the intent to destroy agreement was something specific in the contract when the vehicle was aquired and may or may not be just for that individual vehicle. It's a shame to see perfectly good equipment get done destroyed like that. When you see stuff the government does like that when it destroyes old/obsolete military vehicles, equipment, etc, and then add in the government/civilian version the cash for clunkers mess that destroyes perfectly good vehicles it gives alot of insite into why this counrty is in the shape it's in. We're a country full of governmental and governmental sanctioned graft, corruption, and waste.
Government liquidation

Traditional Farmer · Aug 13, 2009

Sounds about a stupid enough idea to have come from the Feds

Mel in SW Iowa · Aug 13, 2009

RN,
I submitted an Army suggestion in 1968 for a nylon
strap on each side of the rear axle that limited suspension travel for road use for the M151 that could be released for off road travel. I got a note saying they didn't believe it would be a cost effective solution to the problem.

kyhayman · Aug 13, 2009

When I worked for Univ of Ky some of the fed surplus we got we could resell and some had to be destroyed first. It all depended on which agency it came from.

D-C-741 · Aug 13, 2009

The Unit you are talking about is a [ M51 Jeep Made By Ford/ they Flip very Easy ]These are the Only ones I know they Had to Distroy thay way,When I was Buying Gov Surplus Trucks.

John M · Aug 14, 2009

UH, Cash For Clunkers wont help them will it. Heck, the gov. gave it to them, they should be able to make the deal!

ericlb · Aug 14, 2009

i dont know if this will help, but back when the m151 was in use by the military, they were able to be sold after they were cut in half crossways, people then were able to bid on the halves for parts, the trick was to win the bid on 2 halves with enough combined material to rebuild one vehicle i worked for a guy that had one of these rebuilt m151's this thing was amazing off road, but on road it required a good driver paying atention to keep up with the vehicle ,they were kind of squirrely and required constant input to remain under control, although i dont know if all were that was or just this one

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