OT. Wanr-to-be cowboys

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

We have about six hundred feet of our farm that adjoins rodeo ground owned a small city. They lease the grounds to a bunch of Want-a-be cowboys. The problem is the fellows rent a bunch of roping steers. They turn the steers out of arena after they are done playing cowboy into the ground to graze on the weeds. The fence between us was rebuilt about ten years ago and has been torn up by them when they try to get the steers back into the arena to play and run them through the fence. We have talked to them and provided post and wire clips to maintain the fence
We do not want these cattle in our Alfalfa that we bale for hay. These cattle have no health paper and the lord only knows where they have been. Our herd & farm is registered in registered in the National Disease Control program and is a closed heard. Have talked to state Vet and they claim they do not have enough of a budget to have someone check it out. What good is a Disease Control Program if it is not enforced?
Though about a 30-30 but would be shooting toward town. Hoped they would bloat on Alfalfa but no such luck. We have three good cow dogs that watch and when they come on the property they take them off
Son is in buying new post and wire for a six wire fence, I tell him he is wasting the money.
Any suggestion?
gitrib

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

Pulling this straight out of my a$$, but here it is....

What if you find out what they are paying for the mutts they are using, then come up with a comparable offer using/rotating your own cattle? Keeps them fresh and you disease free. As far as the fence, if they are an organized club, they should carry insurance to cover damage (???).

Just a thought.

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

Dave, most cattle producers would not want their stock used in a rodeo. The idea with beef animals is to keep them healthy, injury free, mimimize stress and get them to gain weight. None of that is consistant with rodeo calfs.

twopop · Jun 13, 2009

what does state law say.in my state if you want them out you have tofence them out.call your local livestock inspecter

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

Hard to believe they could go through a good high tensile fence. Is that what they have gone through before? If you install one many states have laws that let you send them a bill for half its cost. If they refuse to pay their half put a lien on the rodeo grounds.

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

It just happens that our cattle cattle are Purebred Register Guernsey Milk cattle.

DO NOT BELEIVE IT TO SMART TO USE THEM FOR RODEO STOCK.
gitrib

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

In our state on a shared fence you face the fence the half to the right is your half to maintain. A legal fence is six strand of barbed wire.
gitrib

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

Do not beleive you have seen any real Rodeo Stock. A cable fence might stop them. They just jump up and fall flat on top of it. Smash it down and walk out.
girib

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

(quoted from post at 12:20:55 06/13/09) It just happens that our cattle cattle are Purebred Register Guernsey Milk cattle.

DO NOT BELEIVE IT TO SMART TO USE THEM FOR RODEO STOCK.
gitrib

instant milkshakes and cottage cheese...... :roll: :roll:

Jerry/MT · Jun 13, 2009

Have you tried talking to these guys? If you have and they ignore you, than you probably ought to talk to the sheriff because they're probably breaking a fence law by not controlling their cattle.
Stuff happens every once in a while but since this happens on a regular basis you have a legitimate complaint. I don't care what kind of fence you put up, a hungry steer will knock it down to get to feed and water. The only other thing you can do is to keep using your dogs and your time to deal with this problen and keep fixing the fence.
The choice is yours.

keh · Jun 13, 2009

Try a couple of strands of electric fence.

KEH

keh · Jun 13, 2009

Try a couple of strands of electric fence.

KEH

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

Well If you cannot get results by being nice and trying to work with people try being nasty. Son blew a big high amperage fuse that left no doubt what was expected. In about one hour a lot of help arrived of course they were dressed in work cloths. Shorts and sneaker. Guess it is better then no help.
Thanks for reading my rant. You have seen nothing till you see a bunch of Want-a-be Cowboys.
gitrib

gitrib · Jun 13, 2009

They hit a fence so hard they do not have time to feel a electic fence. They are just plain nuts.
gitrib

Mike (WA) · Jun 13, 2009

No, they gotta have the half-crazed kind. Corrientes, or some cross, usually. Unless they're nuts, they won't be lively enough for the rodeo events. Nothing more disappointing than trying to chase down a steer and he won't run away. Of the top 25 rodeo breeds, Guernseys would come in 24th, just barely beating out the Brown Swiss.

John Harmon · Jun 13, 2009

These corrientes cattle are a breed from Mexico. they have no thought process. they operate on instinct only,they see a fence in the way they keep trying till they go thru it. They will run until they drop and then lay there and die instead of stopping to rest like midwest cattle do. Lot's of them here in Az. mostly used by the snow bird cowboys in their roping pasttimes.Don't have a clue as to a solution to your problem except to advise a visit to the States Attorney of your area and swear out a formal complaint that the Sheriff has to deliver and inforce.

kyplowboy · Jun 13, 2009

How hot is it? How many volts are they running into?

Dave

RayP(MI) · Jun 13, 2009

Call the sheriff, and get yerself a good lawyer. A cease and decist order shutting them down may slow them downa bit.

kyplowboy · Jun 13, 2009

A 30-30 will go a ways, a 12ga won't.

Neighbors when I was grow'n up had some brangus momma cows. Two of'm were bat chit. They got to jump'n a six strand and getting into granddad's wheat late one fall. Would call the owner, they would send out two high school kids who knew noth'n bout cows to come out and chase them around a four wheeler till they jumped the fence again. Goobers rutted up the wheat field and did more damage than the cows were doing. After this happened two times, granddad went out with a shot gun and a pocket full of high brass #4's. Got about 50 yards from them and they took off running the other way, he shot'm till he could not see them. Never seen them two mommas again, don't know what happened to them.

Just an idea.

Dave

TomTex · Jun 13, 2009

Life is too short to keep trying short term, half-baked solutions. Buy some 58 inch high triangular mesh wire; we used to call it L-Wood wire. Set crosstie posts on 10 foot spacings, and use one 4-point barbed about 6 inches above the mesh wire. As an alternate you could use 2 7/8 inch Sch 40 steel posts, also on 10 foot spacings. Use double H with slant-down kicker for bracing, welded out of 2 7/8 Sch 40, set 42 inches deep in 9 or 12 inch diameter holes, set in concrete for your stretch corners. Stretch the mesh wire until you could play a fiddle on it. End of all problems. Costly, but you will live longer. Tom

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

Shooting their steers won't make any difference at all, shooting their horses will just make them upset and crazey. You are going to have to shoot 3 or 4 of them to get your message across.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

My dad used to replace the buckshot with rock salt neighbors bulls never came back.

Mel in SW Iowa · Jun 13, 2009

The roping cattle you are describing sound a lot
more like longhorns than corrientes. Fresh longhorns are like roping whitetails. Corrientes
are a lot calmer. I haven't known anyone who ropes that didn't know how to keep their cattle in, build a good fence, close gates, and avoid irritating neighbors. I hope your sherriff can help restore order. In many areas, the sherriff
will call team ropers to help clear cattle off the interstate or any other difficult areas or situations. I am sorry you have had bad experience with yours.

kyhayman · Jun 13, 2009

Send them a bill for damages, from your attorney. There are two legal standards here. State fence law and failure to control. They should have liability insurance to cover themselves so you have a claim against them for allowing their livestock to stray and damage your property. If they dont have insurance then the claim is against them personally. In this state, you are liable for any damages your livestock cause, the first time they get out. The second time you still have the civil liability but also the criminal liablility of allowing livestock to roam at large.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

Would it be illegal to add a few rolls of concertina wire to the fence?

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

(quoted from post at 21:30:15 06/13/09) Would it be illegal to add a few rolls of concertina wire to the fence?

Korean kid got rolled up in a bundle while trying to steal C rations from our messhall once. Wouldn't wish that on an animal..........

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jun 13, 2009

I find your response kinda funny. Trust me, guys like those do not have insurance. Also, horse people have no money and they never will. They are not worth taking to court, when you get your judgement you have that squeezing blood out of a rock problem. Far better to take the matter up with the city that owns the rodeo grounds.

Anonymous-0 · Jun 14, 2009

Maybe, but I would guess that the town that owns the rodeo grounds has some kind of insurance to cover potential liability. If the town council is like any town council I have ever run into, they will decide real quick that it is no longer in the town's best interest to rent the rodeo grounds to people who are not responsible in taking care of the animals they use. And the problem will be solved, either by the council refusing to rent out the rodeo grounds any more or else the town building a whole lot better fence that will be successful in containing the rodeo stock.

Lawyering up is the best answer. Unless the laws there are quite different than the ones I have studied for my state, shooting the loose animals would probably be a real good way of getting booked into jail. And then you spend LOTS of money with the lawyers to get the mess untangled.

In general, I don't like lawyers much. But there are times and places where they are useful and possibly necessary. I think this is one of them.

LWD · Jun 14, 2009

use the 3 S program,,,shoot,shovel,shut up (or eat)

Anonymous-0 · Jun 14, 2009

In South Dakota, I believe the "free range law" is actually in effect. What this means is that you need to fence to keep livestock OUT!!!!

Anonymous-0 · Jun 14, 2009

(quoted from post at 21:54:27 06/13/09) . Also, horse people have no money and they never will. .

Kinda like me and a couple others saying ALL people from CA are abundant fags that'll never be worth the time, oxygen, and s@x it took to make them ain't it????? Sometimes you make a little sense, but mostly, you come off like an arrogant b@stard that grew up with a silver spoon in your a$$...
To each there own though.

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jun 14, 2009

Sorry Dave, didn't mean to come off that way. My 10 year old has a horse, it is time consuming and expensive to take care of, and yes she loves it (far more than me). She would go without eating before it did. I fear she will ever out grow it. Now at the stables many horses have been abondon, because the owners can't afford them. They are free for the taking, but there are no takers. I have heard similiar stores from my cousins in TX, AZ and NV. Not even Madeleine Pickings, the wife of T Boone, can afford to take care of all the horses she wants to take care of. I know a banker in ND that evaluates ag loan applications by the number of horses listed as assets. The more horses, the less like it is they get the loan. Perhaps in Germany it is different. I know of rich people that breed horses for the tax breaks. There could be someone, (besides the vet and feed supplier) making money with horses, in fact I am sure it happens. For most though, it is just a real expensive hobby, and I am fine with that. But it is a hobby that produces thousands of neglicted and abused animals often abondon on public or others land. Finally no silver spoon in my life, if I got it I earned it.

just another old geezer · Jun 15, 2009

Reading the comments, have you gone to the city council yet?? Blow a gasget in front of those guys with a threat of a lawsuit might be the quickest way to get action.

dangerdoc · Jun 15, 2009

My uncle told me when I was a kid, "You can have money in the bank or you can have horses."

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