(800) 853-2651
SHOP NOW

electricity question???

A

Anonymous-0

Well-known Member
Hey folks,
Lanse's welding post got me wondering..
You can pick up a decent, good for joe blow to have around the shop, welder for about 50 bucks new here (I got one and use it quite a bit).
You just plug it into the wall and weld.

House current here is 230 volt 50 hz and our breaker box has a 40 amp main (breaker that is on the switch I useally use is 16 amp).

Could one of you folks take this welder and use it with 220 volts @ 60 hz without doing any damage to shop or machine??

Just wondering because these things weigh only about 20 pounds and are about the size of a toobox. Much easier to lug around than the dinasaurs.

Dave
 
Other than the output and input dropping to 84% of nameplate capacity. There will be little difference noticed. Perhaps extra AC humming and a small increase in transformer heating when dialed higher to operate at the same current level as 50hz.
I'm assuming nothing has been tinkered with inside the welder so the 230V input terminals are both isolated from the case. In Europe you wouldn't get bitten if a polarized plug was used. Here the case would be live with 120V.
 
Most likely yes. How much the output would be affected depends on the actual voltage. If your voltage on germany is actually 230 measured with a meter, not rated 230, then not much. Usually nominal 220 volt systems are running 235-240 volts. Ordinary 3 phase motors will run fine on either 50 or 60 Hz but the speed will be affected accordingly. I don"t think a transformer type welder would be affected at all. Maybe John T. has more on this. B&D"s comments about grounded/ungrounded conductors is another important point. Don"t know about that.
Paul
 
The 50 cycle dont mean any thing for welding just would affect the speed of a motor so the welder would work OK.
 
B&D, Since ONE wire has the 230 volts in it in Germany, how would one go about connecting it here? Tying the two conductors together at the outlet? I"m just asking because I didn"t realize Europe was set up that way voltage wise. Would the two conductors be phased correctly? Or would there be a fireworks show complete with sparks and smoke?
 
Since the effects of inductive reactance are greater at greater Hz, I think the transformer would heat less due at 60Hz to the reduced amperage. Output amperage probably would be reduced also.
 
Why the drop in input and output? The wire size is the same, the wire heating will be the same for the same current. The excitation current for the core will be smaller, so it will be more efficient on 60 Hz than on 50 Hz.

I say it will work exactly the same, with a slightly cooler core but the output and input will be the same while welding. No motor in the cheap welder.

But it could be like the welder my dad used to build a garden tractor about 1950. Just a coil of iron wire resistor hooked to the 120 volt AC line. It worked best with a penny behind the fuse.

Gerald J.
 
Most of Europe is 230V from just one line to neutral in houses and business and that's it. No 2nd line.
If three phase then it's all the same thing but it's called anything from 380V and up to 416V.
As long as somebody doesn't wire the welder up and mix the neutral and ground wires. It should work fine in North America with the ground to chassis and line 1 to the normal live terminal. And line 2 to the neutral terminal if the neutral is floating free from the welder's chassis.
XL or 50 hz is 83.3% or the XL of 60z if everything else stays identical. Hysteresis and core losses will increase by 120%.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

L
A LITTLE O.T. Electrical Question
Replies
12
Views
665
DoubleO7
DoubleO7
D
Shop Wiring
2
Replies
36
Views
2K
MarkB_MI
MarkB_MI
C
Ford 8N question
Replies
12
Views
568
Fixingfarmer
Fixingfarmer
J
Coolant additive for cylinder cavitation pitting, Deere
2
Replies
20
Views
985
BarnyardEngineering
BarnyardEngineering
J
Electric question
2
Replies
22
Views
1K
JMOR
J
Tractor Parts Tractor Manuals

We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today.

Copyright © 1997-2024 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters
Website Accessibility Policy

Back
Top