Big cheap hp decision, IH 1086

Ken Macfarlane · Apr 24, 2009

I know they both have a pretty good rep and its only my first round of tractor searching. I looked at the 1086 last night:

-IH 2350 loader on it.
-Good tires and chains
-Cab
-9950 hours
-T/A works but pauses when going back to direct
-Hydraulic light on sometimes
-H/L/R/P shifter is messed up and has been welded. Very difficult to select ranges, hangs in neutral too.
-oil weepage around engine, filters and turbo
-Starts well no smoke
-Owner says it dynos at 160 hp.(!!!!!!!)
-Wiring and A/C controls torn open and hanging
-Owner asking 8000$
-Couldn't tell if its open or closed centre hydraulics. 3 remotes on it.
-I couldn't get the clutch to slip, brakes were ok.

Should I be running away? Owner has only had for 3 months, his dad bought it from a few hours away and only used it once before he died. Was used for snow removal before that.

The shifter bugs me, so does the 160 hp.

What do you think? I don't know a think about tractors this big. I only need 100 hp or so to run my discbine.

Chad Franke · Apr 24, 2009

Pricing is very regional, so I may be way off base, but for that price I would walk away. Unless you really want the loader, it doesn't add much to the deal (for you). I've seen decent condition (you don't describe a decent condition tractor) 1086 sell for $5000-$8000. Saw a good looking 1086 with a unique loader/belly blade combo advertised for about 3 months for $10,000 as I recall...

TomTex · Apr 24, 2009

Personal opinion. In the condition you described, I would pass it up, sounds like a never ending work project. It will most likely be broken when you need it most. 1. hanging wiring. 2. weld patches 3. Shifter messed up 4. Hydrolic light on 5. pauses in TA system. Five strikes and you are out. Tom

LBH · Apr 24, 2009

I bought a 1066 1976 model for 8500.00 in december, it had 2900.00 work of engine work in 2006, duals, all weights front and back, ta works, 4300hrs. didn"t have a loader though, i priced a loader and a used oen is over 4000 dollars. my opinion with 9950 hours with no engine work you are probably looking at an overhaul in the future. has it had any work.

i would be leary.

LBH · Apr 24, 2009

where are you located? i saw a 806 for sale earlier in western kentucky. 5500.00

i can send you the info if you are intersted.

Ken Macfarlane · Apr 24, 2009

Not a lot of big tractors around here, New Brunswick, Canada but I did see a very nice tractor like this one go for the same money back in December with less hours.

The other tractor I refer to at the start of the post is a White 2-85 with 3000 hours and a new clutch. Its a bit shy of power but I think it would work ok. Has duals and cab for 7000$.

Ken Macfarlane · Apr 24, 2009

http://fredericton.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-heavy-equipment-FARM-TRACTOR-W0QQAdIdZ122469874

Goose · Apr 24, 2009

As I recall, the 1086 was about 135 hp out of the factory. If this one puts out 160, either the pump's been turned up or someone has misinformation.

I never had personal experience, but it seems I recall 1086's had rear end problems, too. If the pump was turned up, I'd think about that. This might be a good deal to walk away from, considering also questions on the hydraulics, the TA, shifter, etc.

bc · Apr 24, 2009

(quoted from post at 08:10:59 04/24/09) I know they both have a pretty good rep and its only my first round of tractor searching. I looked at the 1086 last night:

-IH 2350 loader on it.
-Good tires and chains
-Cab
-9950 hours
-T/A works but pauses when going back to direct
-Hydraulic light on sometimes
-H/L/R/P shifter is messed up and has been welded. Very difficult to select ranges, hangs in neutral too.
-oil weepage around engine, filters and turbo
-Starts well no smoke
-Owner says it dynos at 160 hp.(!!!!!!!)
-Wiring and A/C controls torn open and hanging
-Owner asking 8000$
-Couldn't tell if its open or closed centre hydraulics. 3 remotes on it.
-I couldn't get the clutch to slip, brakes were ok.

Should I be running away? Owner has only had for 3 months, his dad bought it from a few hours away and only used it once before he died. Was used for snow removal before that.

The shifter bugs me, so does the 160 hp.

What do you think? I don't know a think about tractors this big. I only need 100 hp or so to run my discbine.

Lot of negatives there. Think like a car salesman everytime you want to trade something in. List all the negatives and the high cost to fix and overhaul, then offer him 4500-5000. Then when he says no, say ok you'll pay 8000 after he as taken it to the shop and fixed all the things listed. Then when he says no, walk away. And find out who did the dyno and when and contact them. What was going on that he had a dyno run on it?

paul · Apr 24, 2009

They do not make good loader tractors, not easy shifting. I'd look for something else if I wanted loader work.

For cheap hp out in the field, they are pretty good.

That one has a lot of hours, some issues. I'd bring about $5000 here without the loader. Don't know what you could sell the loader off for?

--->Paul

Allan in NE · Apr 24, 2009

What Paul said,

At 9950 hours it "probably" has already had an engine. IF so, and if they happened to put in the 436 crank, there's where your 160 horses is coming from.

Pretty cheap power if ya could peddle that loader.

Allan

dhermesc · Apr 24, 2009

I would agree with Tom, the sixth strike is the 160hp. People turned the 1086 and 1066 up to pull the same equipment as the 1486/1466 and even the 1586/1566 series tractors - and they wore them out fast doing it.

rustyfarmall · Apr 24, 2009

Kinda what I was thinking. That loader is worth maybe $4,000?

The shifter can be fixed.

Allan in NE · Apr 24, 2009

Yeah,

But, he said it din't smoke and started easy.

It it had been screw-twisted that far, that thing would be smoking like a fire horse.

Allan

Allan in NE · Apr 24, 2009

Don't know what those IH loaders bring, as I just flat don't like 'em.

However, there are folks out there that are totally wormy for 'em tho just because they say IH.

If he could get four to five grand out of it, he's at salvage price on the tractor by that time and the tires alone are worth half of that.

Allan

Bill in NorthCentral PA · Apr 24, 2009

I'm with Allan on this one. Sounds like alot of potential, just needs a little lookin' into to verify. If you don't have any loader, having this one will be a godsend - maybe not for "true" loader work, but for the odd jobs you do with a loader.

Maybe ask if you can run it to a diesel mechanic you trust?

Either way, good luck,

Bill

ps: I think Allan knows these inside and out.

Ken Macfarlane · Apr 24, 2009

I was under the impression that if someone turned her up it was just the rack travel limit I wouldn't see smoke until I got into her hard.

It did start perfect, it was about 5-10 C (40-50 F) out and the unit was cold. He plugged it in during the winter to start.

I'm the first to say the loader is clumsy on this. I don't know how someone would load rounds onto a wagon or clean out a pen. I've been spoiled by using shuttles.

The 2350 loaders only bring in about 2500$ around here from my asking around.

The clutch was hydro assist, hard to push while starting but fine after that.

There was a clunky almost homemade looking lever and rod arrangment going to the pto housing, I assume it shifted from the 540-1000 shaft?

IaGary · Apr 24, 2009

The hp would not scare me.

The first 1086 I bought has 8000 hrs. 7500 of those are at 175 hp.

I have put a clutch and TA in it at about 6000 hrs. Other wise just minor repairs. Oh I did put new hydraulic pumps in it also.

Gary

RodinNS · Apr 24, 2009

The power wouldn't really scare me either if it was maintained... but it's not an 8 grand tractor.
I think if you frequent enough auctions you find that big 2 wheel drives will bring more like 3-5 grand with that kind of hours and no loader. I can't see the loader adding much more than a grand to it at auction either.
Those things are just big stupid power. For what you want, it's fine. For what most do with tractors that size today.... it's about useless. Keep that in mind when making an offer. The worst he can do is say no.

Rod

cornfarmer · Apr 24, 2009

The 1086's, along with the non-turbo 986's, were probably the best of the 86 series tractors. A shift improver kit will solve the shifting, my last one cost about $100 dollars. The loader is worth about $3,000, so the tractor is at about $5,000, maybe a little high for the condition but not bad. A fair used 1086 around here brings between $7,000 and $8,000 dollars with around 5-6 thousand hours. They did not make very good loader tractors, sell it off. Just my thoughts---Rick

phillip d · Apr 24, 2009

Did you try Corcoran Farm supply or Kensington Ag services ltd on PEI?Maybe they may have somthing in the price range too?

dieseldoc · Apr 24, 2009

dont worry about 160hp. If it dont have fire out the stack it aint running right.

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