Anonymous-0
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recently i read of an electric motor being driven by the earths magnetic force.i would like to read it again but can/t find it. any help appreciated.thanks
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MarkB_MI
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I guess it's time for the weekly Perpetual Motion Machine post.
The laws of thermodynamics haven't changed since last week's discussion. You still can't get something for nothing. But check back next week: I hear someone is working on adding a fifth wheel to their vehicle that will recover lost energy. I expect to hear about a breakthrough any day.
The laws of thermodynamics haven't changed since last week's discussion. You still can't get something for nothing. But check back next week: I hear someone is working on adding a fifth wheel to their vehicle that will recover lost energy. I expect to hear about a breakthrough any day.
Anonymous-0
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Willy N's(Mark Hendershot) Father invented something like that. He's on the KL board down at the bottom of the page.
Later Bob
Later Bob
440roadrunner
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The reason you can't find it is that there's no such thing.
Didn't NASA experiment with a similar concept a few years back?
They tried dangling a long copper(?) cable from the space shuttle
as it orbited the earth. The theory was, as the conductor cut across
the earths magnetic field lines, a current would be induced in the cable.
IIRC, the cable snapped when it was first deployed.
So they never got to really try the experiment.
Pooh Bear
They tried dangling a long copper(?) cable from the space shuttle
as it orbited the earth. The theory was, as the conductor cut across
the earths magnetic field lines, a current would be induced in the cable.
IIRC, the cable snapped when it was first deployed.
So they never got to really try the experiment.
Pooh Bear
MarkB_MI
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Pooh,
That would be, in essence, using the orbital energy of a spacecraft to power a generator. (A generator consists of a conductor that moves across lines of magnetic flux; in this case it just happens that the conductor is a straight line.) Over time, the spacecraft's orbit would slowly decay, which might be acceptable if it doesn't need to stay in orbit indefinitely.
That would be, in essence, using the orbital energy of a spacecraft to power a generator. (A generator consists of a conductor that moves across lines of magnetic flux; in this case it just happens that the conductor is a straight line.) Over time, the spacecraft's orbit would slowly decay, which might be acceptable if it doesn't need to stay in orbit indefinitely.
I've seen a motor with permanent magnets offset from an armature of permanent magnets. It uses the push/pull of the magnets to work. 13 on one 14 on the other. There is constant pressure to spin the armature. It actually required a large starter to start the rotation and would self sustatin itself until the molecules in the magnets would get out of alignment and could no longer be called "magnets" I think it produced 20-30 horsepower.
Last I knew they were looking for some deep earth magnets to try. I don't remember who had the patent on it but it was cool.
Last I knew they were looking for some deep earth magnets to try. I don't remember who had the patent on it but it was cool.
Janicholson
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From Wikipedia:
The Earth's magnetic field measures about 0.5 gauss, a small iron magnet has a field of about 100 gauss, a small neodymium-iron-boron (NIB) magnet has a field of about 2,000 gauss, a big electromagnet has a field of about 15,000 gauss, and the surface of a neutron star has a field of about 1012 gauss[2].
My point is that a very strong NIB magnet (with a non decaying performance in human terms) would not interact in any way with the earths weak field. to produce work in watts, or HP (interchangable units) one needs energy input
Magnets have force not energy!!!!!!!!
I direct you to the science involved. it takes foundational level openminded understanding of the physics of Gauss, Maxwell and others long dead, that shine light through this ghost of imaginary reality.
JimN
The Earth's magnetic field measures about 0.5 gauss, a small iron magnet has a field of about 100 gauss, a small neodymium-iron-boron (NIB) magnet has a field of about 2,000 gauss, a big electromagnet has a field of about 15,000 gauss, and the surface of a neutron star has a field of about 1012 gauss[2].
My point is that a very strong NIB magnet (with a non decaying performance in human terms) would not interact in any way with the earths weak field. to produce work in watts, or HP (interchangable units) one needs energy input
Magnets have force not energy!!!!!!!!
I direct you to the science involved. it takes foundational level openminded understanding of the physics of Gauss, Maxwell and others long dead, that shine light through this ghost of imaginary reality.
JimN
buickanddeere
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Reason it quit spinning is because it doesn't work.
buickanddeere
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There are two types of people who "work"on perpetual motion devices.
#1 Fools who didn't finish grade school and let emotions, wants and needs out weigh logic. You can't use 1 lb of weight falling 10ft raise 2lbs of weight up 10ft.
How do you think some backyard tinkerer is going to develop something that MIT, Yale, Harvard, NSA & NASA can't?
Get it???
#2 Imoral thieves and conmen who dupe people who "didn't finish grade school and let emotions, wants and needs out weigh logic". Invest in their bogus scheme and walk away with the money.
#1 Fools who didn't finish grade school and let emotions, wants and needs out weigh logic. You can't use 1 lb of weight falling 10ft raise 2lbs of weight up 10ft.
How do you think some backyard tinkerer is going to develop something that MIT, Yale, Harvard, NSA & NASA can't?
Get it???
#2 Imoral thieves and conmen who dupe people who "didn't finish grade school and let emotions, wants and needs out weigh logic". Invest in their bogus scheme and walk away with the money.
buickanddeere
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And the article is posted under
"Uncategorized.
Tags Science, Paranormal, Motor, Occult, FreeEnergy "
Care to guess why?
"Uncategorized.
Tags Science, Paranormal, Motor, Occult, FreeEnergy "
Care to guess why?
buickanddeere
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ok
Had me worried for a minute, thought that you had taken leave of your senses.
b&d
Had me worried for a minute, thought that you had taken leave of your senses.
b&d
It can be fun to play with, and to learn with, and to tinker with. If you understand what you are dealing with, can be a lot of fun to explore & experiment.
But if you ever expect to come out ahead on this sort of stuff, you are walking down the wrong street & headed for heartache & less money in your pocket.
--->Paul
But if you ever expect to come out ahead on this sort of stuff, you are walking down the wrong street & headed for heartache & less money in your pocket.
--->Paul
What I find fascinating here is the violence of some of the reactions...
If people want to play around with perpetual motion or other generally thought of as impossible quests, why the meanness of the reactions??
Some people collect stamps, some chase girls, some spend their time telling others how they should live, some become intrigued by, or obsessed by, doing something "everyone knows" is impossible.
Ribbing, laughter, I can understand...but why the need? wish? delight? to ridicule, to smear, to almost viciously attack the individual(s)???
Feel free to reply to [email protected]
If people want to play around with perpetual motion or other generally thought of as impossible quests, why the meanness of the reactions??
Some people collect stamps, some chase girls, some spend their time telling others how they should live, some become intrigued by, or obsessed by, doing something "everyone knows" is impossible.
Ribbing, laughter, I can understand...but why the need? wish? delight? to ridicule, to smear, to almost viciously attack the individual(s)???
Feel free to reply to [email protected]
BushogPapa
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I guess we all can dream dreams--but, seems to me that Yellowstone National park has possibilities for Geothermally produced steam-generation, and could take the place of several nuclear plants, if they would just "get to it" and do it...
There was a time when the automobile was thought of the same way, but seems to me they did make it work fairly well...!!
Ron.
garytomaszewski
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Nedd, Ever play with a Newton's cradle. It requires motion (input energy just like that starting motor) to start it. then it expends the input energy and stops (just like that magnet "motor"). If it were self perpetuating it would not need a "large starter".
teddy52food
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You say magnets have force not energy. Where and how does that force come from??? In an engine, the energy of burning fuel forces the piston down. So how can there be force without energy???
teddy52food
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I heard the cable burned off. How could it snap when there is nothing in a vacuum for it to drag on?
According to the professors at the "School of Lawsonomy" there is no such thing as "energy". They refer to it as "power". I might add that Dr Lawson died many years before E=MC2 came along. I drive right by their "college" down near Racine occasionally. I intend to keep right on driving by. (;>))
buickanddeere
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You still don't get it.
Does a beam holding a roof up have force on it? Yes. Is the beam moving, no. Therefore no work is being performed.
Is there stress on those bolts holding cylinder heads on, yes. Are they doing work no.
Is gravity holding your picnic table to the ground? Yes. Is the picnic table moving, no. Is work being done, no.
Pickup that picnic table, moving it against gravity. yes that's work.
Work is for example force to lift over a distance.
Power is the rate of speed to lift that weight up the distance.
Force that isn't moving isn't doing work.
Can you not understand that simple principle? understand that?
Does a beam holding a roof up have force on it? Yes. Is the beam moving, no. Therefore no work is being performed.
Is there stress on those bolts holding cylinder heads on, yes. Are they doing work no.
Is gravity holding your picnic table to the ground? Yes. Is the picnic table moving, no. Is work being done, no.
Pickup that picnic table, moving it against gravity. yes that's work.
Work is for example force to lift over a distance.
Power is the rate of speed to lift that weight up the distance.
Force that isn't moving isn't doing work.
Can you not understand that simple principle? understand that?
buickanddeere
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Power is measuring energy.
buickanddeere
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There was very thin atmosphere, highly charged ions, earths magnetic field and very high velocity involved. That equals large amounts of energy.
The shuttle had to cut the cable or get dragged out of orbit.
The shuttle had to cut the cable or get dragged out of orbit.
buickanddeere
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Geothermnal is not a free perpetual motion device.
buickanddeere
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Chasing women will eventually amount to something...........
Pursuing perpetual motion is digging in the horse pen looking for diamonds = foolish and impossible.
Pursuing perpetual motion is digging in the horse pen looking for diamonds = foolish and impossible.
farmer101IL
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And another thing for all you smart , wise, schooled, or well read people, the world was thought to be flat, sail right off the end of it. There used to be 9 planets when i got out of high screwel. I'm sure there are lots of other things that you can think of that have been shockingly been proved wrong.
Perpetual motion ? how about accidentally finding something while i'm working on the perp machine. Lots of stuff has been found out by accident.
Good conversation though. LOL Hey how about free health care!!!! That comes from thin air. !!!!! LOL
TAke care all
Farmer
Perpetual motion ? how about accidentally finding something while i'm working on the perp machine. Lots of stuff has been found out by accident.
Good conversation though. LOL Hey how about free health care!!!! That comes from thin air. !!!!! LOL
TAke care all
Farmer
buickanddeere
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Research all you want. There still isn't perpetual motion. It's the way the Almighty made the universe.
There are rules that can not be broken.Simple as that.
There are rules that can not be broken.Simple as that.
MarkB_MI
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I'm afraid you're mistaken regarding the belief that the world was flat. Even in ancient times, it was only the ignorant and the religious fanatics who thought that. Most educated people were aware that the world had to be round, for a number of reasons. The earth's shadow on the moon is round, and anyone who has sailed out of sight of land can clearly see that the earth's surface must be spherical. Eratosthenes did a pretty good job of calculating the circumference of the earth in 240 B.C.
MarkB_MI
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Open up your high school physics book.
Energy is the ability to do work. So energy equals work.
Work is force applied through a distance. So if there is no movement there is no work. If there is no work, then no energy is expended.
Energy is the ability to do work. So energy equals work.
Work is force applied through a distance. So if there is no movement there is no work. If there is no work, then no energy is expended.
MarkB_MI
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Non-com,
I think think the perpetual motion kooks get treated with all the courtesy and respect that they deserve. Week after week, they start the ball rolling, then resort to name-calling when their preposterous ideas are ridiculed.
I think think the perpetual motion kooks get treated with all the courtesy and respect that they deserve. Week after week, they start the ball rolling, then resort to name-calling when their preposterous ideas are ridiculed.
MarkB_MI
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Nedd,
No one has a patent on this machine because the US Patent Office refuses to grant patents on anything that looks like a perpetual motion machine.
I understand that the laws of thermodyamics are a little more lax in Canada, so perhaps the Canadian Patent Office will grant such a patent. B&D would surely know.
No one has a patent on this machine because the US Patent Office refuses to grant patents on anything that looks like a perpetual motion machine.
I understand that the laws of thermodyamics are a little more lax in Canada, so perhaps the Canadian Patent Office will grant such a patent. B&D would surely know.
No offense but I think you're the most close minded fool on here.
So every invention was produced by people from MIT, Yale, Harvard, NSA & NASA with none from Joe-Blow garage tinkerer.
My wife lost her wedding ring in the horse pen, a year later she found a diamond in the horse pen.
So every invention was produced by people from MIT, Yale, Harvard, NSA & NASA with none from Joe-Blow garage tinkerer.
My wife lost her wedding ring in the horse pen, a year later she found a diamond in the horse pen.
buickanddeere
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I should have expanded that explanation a little.
buickanddeere
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How does a rock divert the flow of water in a stream? It has no "power". Same idea with gravity and magnetism.
A magnet no more have power than a beam in your barn.
A magnet no more have power than a beam in your barn.
buickanddeere
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Any working invention from anywhere follows the laws of physics.
What I was talking about is that no home tinkerer let alone somebody who understands physics has broken the laws of physics.
As for that ring, that's horse sh*t.
What I was talking about is that no home tinkerer let alone somebody who understands physics has broken the laws of physics.
As for that ring, that's horse sh*t.
buickanddeere
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I'd enjoy getting together in person and having a brew with you sometime.
Ever go to the NY Expo in July?
On occasion we take I-75 in the Flint area.
Ever go to the NY Expo in July?
On occasion we take I-75 in the Flint area.
MarkB_MI
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Hey B&D,
No, I've never gone to the NY Expo. We used to travel through Ontario on our way to Montreal, but most of my wife's French Canadian relatives are gone now.
We're about 20 miles south of Flint right off of I-75. If you're in the area you're welcome to drop by; there's always cold beer in the fridge. It would be a pleasure to meet up.
My email is open, if you'd like to exchange information.
No, I've never gone to the NY Expo. We used to travel through Ontario on our way to Montreal, but most of my wife's French Canadian relatives are gone now.
We're about 20 miles south of Flint right off of I-75. If you're in the area you're welcome to drop by; there's always cold beer in the fridge. It would be a pleasure to meet up.
My email is open, if you'd like to exchange information.
buickanddeere
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You must be near "Steiner Tractor Parts" ?
The cable snapped when they released it and the weight on the end of the cable caused such a sudden shock loading on the cable. More of a shock load than they expected.
Not all energy is in motion. There is potential energy.
An object in motion has kinetic energy.
Work = energy, power = work done over time.
Mass is a property of matter.
Velocity = distance over time.
Acceleration is a change in velocity over time.
Force = Mass x Acceleration.
Work = Energy = Force x distance.
Power = work (or energy) over time.
Until the laws of entropy are repealed, perpetual motion and
over unity devices will remain the realm of science fiction.
Pooh Bear (aka Fluff For Brains)
BushogPapa
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I know it is not, but it is massive energy that can be tapped.
Mines there are so hot they have to be Air-Conditioned, to keep them work-able (for humans).
We need to take advantage of such sources...
Would be reliable and leave a very low carbon foot-print..
Ron.
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