OT: questions for Illinois residents.

I have read that you need a FOID card to buy a firearm. Has this taken effect yet?

1. Are older guns that have been owned for years exempt from the FOID card crap.?

2. What happens if you drive over to Indiana or Iowa and buy a firearm? and then drive home 20 miles back into your beloved state of Illinois? Are you guilty of a felony.

If you are from Illinois please respond to these questions.

this has been a law for maybe 30 years. you can not
go to wi to buy ammo.
background check all that good stuff when you get a card i 've heard it's going to get harder to get card in near future.

It's run through the Illinois State Police and yea, they are particular. My stepson and his cousin had a problem recently transfering a shotgun (from family) and because cousin didn't have a FOID the gun was taken and he got ticket. Pretty nice of our county police as cousin let him come in on 10 degree night.
New bill in the house/senate where you may have to have $1 Million dollar, general liability policy to renew. Need to get mine renewed!

Can't help with the bottom two questions, but yes, you need a Firearm Owner's IDentification card to buy guns. There's also a 3-day waiting period on long guns and 5 days on handguns. 18 years to buy rifles and shotgun and rifle and shotgun ammo and 21 years to buy handguns and handgun ammo. Did I mention I love Minnesota?

Here's a link to the statute.
Everything you want to know.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs3.asp?ActID=1657&ChapAct=430%26nbsp%3BILCS%26nbsp%3B65%2F&ChapterID=39&ChapterName=PUBLIC+SAFETY&ActName=Firearm+Owners+Identification+Card+Act.

Anytime you have a gun in your possesion, not matter if someone else own's it, in Illinois you must have a FOID card. If you borrow a gun to target shot, or go hunting, you must have a FOID card. If you go to Cabela's and ask to look at a gun, you have to show them your FOID card.

If your parent passes away and has a gun, the children must obtain a FOID card in order to retain the gun.

You need a FOID card in Illinois not only purchase a gun, but also to purchase ammo.

If you purchase a gun out of state, such as Wisconsin, the seller needs to see and record your FOID number. Also any waiting period will be observed by commerical outlets such as Cabela's on firearms purchase. At least this has been my experience in purchasing firearms out of state.

Oh yes, out of state auctions, such as in Wisconsin, many of the small auction firms will not sell to Illinois residents. I had to have a friend "buy" the firearm I was bidding on, and then "buy" it from him. He is a Wisconsin resident.

Regarding exempt guns, length of ownership does not matter. Only exception is blackpowder firearms.

So yes, I need a FOID to own a .22 caliber rifle for plicking, but I dont need a FOID for the 3" 12 lb cannon I have sitting in the garage from Civil War reenacting.

Also if you are out hunting in Illinois, the DNR officer will check for a FOID card if your from Illinois along with appropriate game license.

Funny thing about the FOID, in Illinois if you are from out of state, you can buy ammunition (no FOID). If you are resident, you have to have the card or no ammuntion for you..

That state is a disgrace to firearm owners.

Stop complying!!!!!! This is exactly the time for civil disobedience. If you all stop complying they cannot get all of you!

Come to Kansas - we still have open private transfer, even at our gun shows. Went to a public gun show last week and hundreds - yes, literally hundreds - of firearms changed hands without paperwork and all legal!!!! Some dealers with FFL did the paperwork, but most people just traded "private transfer" and exchanged cash and that's the end of it. Come get your guns and take them home and scr*w the registration. Someone should sue your state!

If the state has a record of your guns then there is nothing to stop the nnalert from sending his thugs into your houses to take them. You will then be subjects instead of citizens. I have dozens of firearms and the gooberment has no record of any of them, nor will they be able to find them all.

As a retired policeman I have a soft spot for cops who are doing their jobs but it will be a sad day for me and some cop if he or she asks for my guns.

What a bunch of BS that is.

The caucasian right wingers of that state need to vote the clowns out of office that put all those restrictions in place.

The last I checked Illinois is one of the 50 states and is not a communist/facist state. (at least I thought it wasnt)

What a shame !!!

Well said !!!

And to think that Armalite and the Springfield Armory have Offices and manufacturing in that state sickens me.

Illinois residents, how you can possibly get a good nights sleep with such stringent restrictions on arming civilians, is beyond me. Your Governor needs to call out the National Guard to protect you from each other and any other armed nuts that crossover your State’s borders. It is just way too much to expect local law enforcement to protect you. You should have a right to bear “alarms”.

being an ill resident, i have had a foid card prolly 30 years. about every 5 years you renew it, i think the last time it was 10 dollars or so. i think the original intention was to keep the weapons out of the hands of criminals and legally insane people. never really had a problem with it. you go in a gun store here, show em your card, they will let you examine a firearm. they do have a waiting period maybe about a week to pick up a gun if you buy it. the reasoning is if your bent out of shape at somebody, it gives you a few days to cool off so ou just cant run out, buy a gun and blast em. corse now with all the gang bangers and such in chicago, they all have illegal guns. dont know what the answer is.

I'm from Illinois and this is something I've been wondering about. I've got some guns but haven't been hunting in years, completely forgot about renewing my foid card ten or twelve years ago. I've thought about doing it a few times but never got around to it. Now with all the new gun laws everbody's talking about I don'nt know if I should run out tommorow and get a foid card while it's still fresh in my head or just forget it again.

I've had my FOID card for 25 yrs or so. Supposedly the card was to ID you that you validly owned a firearm. BIG Brother??? I've had to show it every time i purchase ammo. The FOID applies to all firearms, to the best of my knowledge.

As far as calling out the National Guard, good luck, about 1/3 of 'em are in a far away country right now.

I'm quite sure "it" will hit the fan when some of you read this. I guess I am PRO gun, as I have some, and I'm NOT offended by the FOID card thing, altho some of the buying and selling laws for out of staters, or me going out of state to buy or sell, seem one sided and/or stupid. REAL STUPID!
How many of you hold a drivers licsense? Does that offend you? Do you drive that vehicle without insurance? In IL it is MANDATORY to have liability insurance for any vehicle on the road. Do you find that offensive?
I see the FOID card as a tool for the State of IL to use to regulate the RESPONSABILITY of gun ownership, same as a car. No one forces anyone to own a gun in IL, it's a personal choice.
I'm finished for now so you boys can have the floor. Going to put my flame suit on. Take care.

I don"t know of any where in our constitution where it says we have the right to own and drive a car.

The Foid card law became effective probably 30 years ago. If you own any firearm, old or new, you are required to have one. You also have to show one to buy ammo. The Foid costs $10 for a 10 year term. Private citizens can buy and sell fire arms between themselves. A private seller must record the Foid number of the buyer and retain it for 10 years. Illinois has a 1 day waiting period for rifles and shotguns and a 3 day waiting period for handguns. You cannot easily buy from out of state. If you buy out of state, the firearm must be transfered by a out of state FFL holder to a Illinois FFL holder. But, that is a Federal law, I'm pretty sure.

Amendment II

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed "
is everyone in the US in the militia ?
canada here so laws are quite different but I have owned guns my entire life ( approx 10 guns ) all registered & have never had problems with police , goverment etc
only real problem I see with wide open gun shows, swap meets etc or not having to register guns , is there anyone or anything that would stop some crackhead or other lowlife from walking in & buying a hand gun ?
seems there is a lot of killings/ gun crimes with handguns in our big cities these days & with it being next to impossible to legally buy a handgun in Canada gotta wonder where the heck they are coming from?
bob

oleblu, it doesn"t offend me because I don"t have to obey any Illinois rules. However, based on the crime statistics, it appears there is a "certain element" of Illinois society that doesn"t abide by those rules. I guess it does provide entertainment for the criminals to watch the law-abiding citizens jump thru hoops on laws written to control those criminals.

The whole setup is naive and childish -reminds me of my first grade experience; wherein the first grade teacher passed a "law" that said if anyone talked during study time, we all had to miss recess that day. I sure missed a lot of recess time due to a couple of lazy a$$es that could care less about recess time or rules. Yep, it sure taught me tht no good student goes unpunished in order to set an example for the deeds of the "lawbreakers".

As follows:
ALL handguns must be registered. (I dont own any)
the 4473 sheet must be filled out to get any gun. All long guns can be purchased after the FBI background check is completed. And you can take the gun with you after purchasing. No special card or handshake or promise note is needed to buy a long gun.

Private sales of long guns are allowed, handguns need a transfer sheet or something. (I dont own handguns so I dont know the full story)

If Michigan were to make it so that all long guns had to be registered I would likely not comply.....again that would be BS to me cause I am not a wackjob or an Ex-con.

I sure am glad I am not from Illinois....If I was the governor of Illinois I would yank that FOID card BS...Pronto! Then make a statement for all to here. Loud and clear. "AT A BARE MINIMUM--BUY A PUMP 12 GAUGE SHOTGUN FOR HOME PROTECTION CAUSE THE COPS CANT BE AT THE END OF EVERYONES DRIVEWAY WAITING FOR A SOMETHING BAD TO HAPPEN"

I will be going to a gun and knife show next weekend with my boss. I havent been to a gun show in almost 10 years. I will need to bring some ca$h, and my wish list.....Oops I dont have $10,000. But some ammo, and .30-30 lever action would be nice to have, and a AR, and 12 gauge autoloader, and a new scope and sniper rifle and rifle case....I need another gun safe too and maybe Ruger mini-30 and, and, and. I better shorten up the list, huh.
See ya.

Bob,

That question is one that has divided this nation for years. One side says that a "regulated mititia" is an armed society that is not at the mercy of the goverment. The other side says that "people" refers to the states and not the people themselves. The fine men who founded this country did a great job write'n our constitution, I just wish they had made that one a little more air tight. I guess they were not figure'n on lawyers and flame'n librals try'n to undo what has stood for 200+ years.

Dave

Canada is a socialist country. The USA is fast approaching Canada with the Gov. bailout BS.

Oilgargy/Dictator governments love to have all the guns registered so that at the drop of a hat the police force, or federal cops can bust down the door and get your gun(s). The great thing about the USA is there are about 300 million guns in the country....yes 300MM. Lots and lots of armed americans, about 80 million people own those guns. In the US constitution we (as Americans) have the God given right to own a firearm to protect ourselves and hunt if need be.

Is crime as bad in Canada as in the US? I dont know. I think it may be less of a murder rate, dont know? There is a great difference in Inner city crime and rural crime in the US, is it like this too in Canada....I would think so.

Not exactly correct, G-G. I don't think Michigan actually calls it "registration". It's called a "License to Purchase", which you must have to "acquire" a handgun, regardless of where you got it. Even if you already own the gun when you come into the state, or inherit it from someone, you have to have the License to Purchase. If I give my wife one of my pistols to take with her, she has to have a License to Purchase.

When you purchase a handgun, you have to bring it to the local police or sheriff for a "safety inspection". Of course, the so-called safety inspection consists of copying down the serial number. I'm sure you could bring in a gun with the barrel plugged and it would pass the safety inspection.

Holders of Concealed Pistol Licenses are not required to get a purchase license to buy a handgun, or to carry someone else's gun. This, in itself, is reason enough to go through the hassle of getting a CPL.

Individuals don't have to require a buyer to have a License to Purchase for a private sale. But you would have to be out of your gourd not to do so. If you ever sell a handgun to someone in Michigan, make sure the transaction takes place at the sheriff's department or police station. Otherwise you're taking a huge risk.

Interestingly, I don't consider the handgun purchase laws in Michigan and Illinois to be that onerous. In my experience, the hands-down winner for worst pistol purchase laws was North Carolina. In NC, I suppose there is some law that governs pistol purchases, but here is how it is actually practiced: Do you have a friend in the sheriff's department? If yes, you can buy a handgun. Is there someone in the sheriff's department who doesn't like you? If yes, then forget about it. If the answer to both questions is "no", then MAYBE you can purchase.

not sure what the actual crime rates are or percentage of population in prison ect seems bad here but am sure it does there as well
to be honest have never heard of some one having their door broke down so cops can take their weapons ? one thing the courts seem to do is if you are convicted of a gun crime they always give you a lifetime ban on gun ownership don't seem to matter cause they always seem to re-offend anyway prison sentences up here are a lot more lenient than in the US lotta times think if only they were kept in jail they could not do more crime , but keeping them all locked up for ever costs a ton of $$$
bob

think the main thing every country needs to do is figure out a way to not restrict the freedoms of honest citizens while keeping the guns away from the lowlifes that do crime suspect thats just about an impossible task

It is a good thing I wont be going to Illinois or North Carolina any time soon.

So basically you have to be a good ole boy and "in" with the cops to get a handgun in N.C.
(or donate money to the fraternal order of Police) to get approval of handgun purchase in N. C.

It would be great to do away with the 4473 sheet for long guns. That is the way it was before 1968. Criminals LOVE gun control.

I read that in Kennesaw GA there is an unwritten law that requires gun ownership, I am sure this excludes wackjobs, excons, kids, etc.

I own 12 guns, both pistols and rifles. If the state of WI required me to register all of them I would. The guns I have purchased in the past 10 years are so are registered.

Whenever I hear people who are anti-registration because they are not criminals I always wonder if they realize that at one time all guns are sold legally. There isn't a special backdoor sale policy to buy illegally from the factory. Registering guns if nothing else provides a starting point if a gun is found or used illegally. Not saying that you did it, but it might assist in finding out who stole, your gun and how it got to be used in a crime. I really don't see a problem. Sure, the street thug with the 9mm in his pants didn't buy it legally but the guy from whose house he stole it might have and now we have the same person in 2 lists of possible suspects.

In terms of the second ammendment. It is interpreted by many to state that private citizens may own weapons. It does not say that you may own weapons without regulation. Many of the gun owners who whine about regulation seem to forget something... they still own and bear them.

Finally a question for the IL residents. I live just across the border in WI. What do I need to purchase ammo or guns and/or hunt in IL?

It is realy not that hard. An armed society is a polite society. A few years ago Chicago and Miami were two of America's most violent cities. Florda started let'n citizens get concealed carry permits and violent crime dropped. Chicago passed some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation and violent crime kept going up. The thugs that like to use guns to comit crime are alot braver when the chance of running into some one else pack'n is low. If they know that there is a good chance that there is some in that liquor store has just as big a gun as he has, he thinks longer about rob'n the joint.

Dave

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It is realy not that hard. An armed society is a polite society. A few years ago Chicago and Miami were two of America's most violent cities. Florda started let'n citizens get concealed carry permits and violent crime dropped. Chicago passed some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation and violent crime kept going up. The thugs that like to use guns to comit crime are alot braver when the chance of running into some one else pack'n is low. If they know that there is a good chance that there is some in that liquor store has just as big a gun as he has, he thinks longer about rob'n the joint.

Dave

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Explain for me then why Wisconsin who also has no concealed carry law (and reciprocal force laws for that matter) sits at 39 of 50 states in gun deaths. You don't suppose it has anything to do with major metropolitan areas do you?

Well.....It is like this see---

If you are in your house and a bad guy breaks in what would you do? Ask him to leave or blast him with a shotgun?

Concealed carry is great for folks that work in a bad area, criminals Hate armed citizens, cause they can shoot back.

Keep in mind too that Wisconsin has a relatively low population compared to other states.

I have never been to Wisconsin, I am sure that there are major metro areas, right? What about Milwaukee, or Madison? Where ever there are cities there is crime, especially inner cities where there is blight, drugs, gangs.
Of course some of those homies with the leather coats, gold chains and $200 sneakers go to bible study class------Yeah right.

(quoted from post at 09:25:52 03/21/09) Well.....It is like this see---

If you are in your house and a bad guy breaks in what would you do? Ask him to leave or blast him with a shotgun?

Concealed carry is great for folks that work in a bad area, criminals Hate armed citizens, cause they can shoot back.

Keep in mind too that Wisconsin has a relatively low population compared to other states.

I have never been to Wisconsin, I am sure that there are major metro areas, right? What about Milwaukee, or Madison? Where ever there are cities there is crime, especially inner cities where there is blight, drugs, gangs.
Of course some of those homies with the leather coats, gold chains and $200 sneakers go to bible study class------Yeah right.

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In Wisconsin you would go to prison for blasting him with a shotgun. Hence my note about reciprocal force laws. Reciprocal force laws (you may not use more force than the subject is using) should by the gun lobby's reasoning make crime rates go even higher. After all not only do you know that the guy in Wisconsin isn't packing, you also know that unless you threaten to shoot him, he can't blast you anyway.

The stats I pulled are per capita by 100,000 residents.

Are you agreeing that the issue of gun crime might actually be tied to population and not to concealed carry?

In terms of arguments for an against gun laws, it is in my opinion important to note that if it can be made more difficult to purchase a weapon illegally (be that due to better security of weapons at home, making it more difficult to obtain them in the first place, a CODIS type system, whatever) that will increase the street price of said weapon. Simple supply and demand works on the street too. Sure the major crime figures will still be able to afford them, but if it keeps the 13 year old wannabe gangster punk down the street from affording something he can stick in the waistband of his sweats then I am all for it.

Wisconsin seems to be a state of old, white people. Statistically speaking, not the sort of folks who are likely to commit crimes.

I am always suspicious of statistics. For example, those that compare crime rates in Seattle and Vancouver. Regardless of the gun laws, these are two quite different cities. Crediting concealed carry permits with lowered crime rates necessarily excludes other factors. Much like the proponents of the 55 mph speed limit claiming that it "saved lives", ignoring other safety improvements.

I am a proponent of the "shall-issue" carry permit laws, if only because it eliminates the "good-old-boy" network, where cops routinely rewarded their cronies by giving them concealed weapons permits

Wisconsin is in the United States whether it knows it or not.Ive been there,high taxes,almost communist government,at least thats what it sounds like when they gripe about it on the radio.I prefer to listen to Canadian radio when that far North,much less stressful with better news about the USA.
The 13 year old wanna be gangster is not legal to own a handgun under anybodys law.What law then would make this situation change?As I said Wisconsin is in the United States.If you blast somebody breaking into your house,even in Wisconsin,you should be able to not go to prison for that.I may be wrong,but if there are still attorneys in Wisconsin they should be able to make the case that the guy breaking down your door is threatening your life and that gives you the right to stop them.Im not a lawyer,dont play one on TV,never stayed in a Holiday Inn Express,but the USA is still the USA,though badly beaten up.If things are so bad people can bust down your door and kill you in Wisconsin,why is anybody putting up with it?Why dont you all fight back?Throw the crooks out of office.Maybe its because Chicago crooks retire up there and rig the laws the way they want them?After all the crooks have all the money.

Not from Illinois,but after reading all of this the NRA needs to do lots of work in Illinois.Also anybody that thinks gun control laws are going to help anything are sadly mistaken.Crooks dont go by the law.Laws keep citizens from arming themselves against the crooks.Who are the crooks?Looks like its Illinois politicians,in the case of Illinois.
Lots of times on here I have seen discussions about the DOT.Usually its agreed that some of the DOT regulations are for nothing more than to make money and have nothing to do with safety.Everybody knows that people driving cars cause way more wrecks than commercial vehicles,but you dont see the DOT making car drivers have a million dollar liability insurance,or cars crossing scales,having to have a bunch of papers to travel from state to state,at least not yet.The reason is most people drive cars and if all of them are mad about something at the same time they might get together and overthrow the crooks writing the laws.So with guns as we got away from hunting to live,a big chunk of people quit using guns.That made gun owners a minority,especially compared to cities.Most people cant look 10 minutes ahead in their life,or if they can dont have a clue what to do anyway.Since it seems like crime drops way down when its made easier for people to get a concealed carry permit,why not make it nationwide?For the gun control crowd to make it hard on most people to get a gun,and then have evidence that crime goes down with concealed carry shows its the same as the DOT.Politicians could care less if somebody breaks your door down and kills you.They dont care if you have a gun really.They want that bribe money or their cut,for letting you have a gun,plus it makes it better for them if you dont have a gun.They can operate more crookedly and have less danger of a revolt.Thats what it seems like the 2nd amendment means is guns in the hands of the people to keep the government honest.I think we see where the corruption is coming from and its high gun control areas.
Now being that the gun control people are crooks,and crooks dont go by the law,its kind of like a double whammy.The crack heads are gonna get guns,the politicians are gonna keep you from getting a gun,and crime is going to rise.Then think about this,if you are a crook,how many crooks do you think are in jail,1 in 10,1 in a hundred,1 in a thousand?I bet its closer to 1 in a thousand than 1 in 10 or crooks wouldnt be so inclined to be crooks.If its hard to get a gun crime goes up,and thats all the gun laws are accomplishing.
Politicians make a living by making problems that dont exist into an issue,then offer a solution.If you are in a minority then the politicians are going to trample your rights as they"satisfy"some fairy tale group of people that outnumber your group,and think its fine to trample your rights.I guess in every instance we find out about we should all make them back down.If they will do that to you in one state,they will do it in other states as well.Just getting it out in the public helps.The crooked politicians like to do things with as little knowledge of it as possible.Illinois is a fine example of corrupt politics.

what you said does make sense mugger might think twice if he thought you were carrying a gun to fight back/ protect yourself
my only concern would be that everyone that does carry a weapon have some kind of training so when the need arises the only one with holes in them is the bad guys & not the rest of the by-standers on the street got to admit if it was permitted in canada i would own hand guns as well, probably for the same reason i collect tools & tractors, just cause i like them & might want to use them someday
bob

I dont know what a CODIS system is? Sounds like gun ID BS to me.

Anyway if a guy breaks in and you blast him away, he had a steak knife in his hand and you feared for your life. And when its over he cant tell his side of the story anyway. You see how that works now dont you.

Yes population factors have a little to do with gun crime cause large populated cities have the most crime per sq. mile. (simple huh)

Well if you look at the time frame that the constitution was written. It will answer a lot of those questions and doubts. At the time the militia was the populace so therefor the citizenry would have been the militia at that time since there was no standing army per say till the Revolutionary War. Also the populace used their firearms for hunting and protecting themselves.
So I would say it is pretty clear what the term militia is. Now I believe it also states in the 2nd amendment a well regulated militia to guard against a tyrannical government. This would not be the (military) as we know it.

caterpillar guy, Your time frame comment is I believe, central to any discussion about the constitutionality of gun control law. At the time, the right to bear arms law was initiated, one crazy in a crowd, using a then currant technology single shot weapon, that was breach load would do only limited damage before someone would stop them. With modern technology, what back then may have been a single victim could be dozens or hundreds. Legislation does not always keep up with technology.

FOID- Firearm Owner Identification card law was in Illinois when I lived there in mid/late 1970s. Out of state purchase now? Contigious state rules for federal allows purchase, but not sure about transport back needing to send to FFL holder- some people in Wisconsin have gotten a couple rifles across border and tossed in car to go home- not sure if that was completely legal. Pistol might need FFL in state licensee? Old buddies in Illinois -outside of Chicago- occasionally getting guns here in Wisconsin, but when they are wearing skull and crossed pistons on back of jacket with 'Outlaw' rockers --they may not be paying attention to statutes.

Wisconsin case law has a couple of known defense users that were aquitted. Delivery guy in Milwaukee -Vega?- is allowed to carry pistol by order of court- he's had 3 or 4 defense incidences and judge says don't bother taking him to court as stautes and case law say it is valid for reasons of selfdefense- after 3 roberry attempt he has a well ground fear for life while working. This is similar to Ohio law 5/10 years back- a no carry concealed law but a contrary law regarding affirmative defense in court. After Ohio prosecuters lost 5 cases they went to Ohio appeals court and tried to get aquitals changed- Appeals court instead upheld defense clause law and that became state wide legal precedent- laws got changed for administrative rules for issue of carry permit - otherwise would have ended up like Vermont or Alaska. Wisconsin has twice had legislature pass concealed carry laws similar to Minnesota but Dem Governor vetoed them. Wisconsin supreme court judge asked for legislative intent when dismissing conceal carry charge, a couple judges have since then used the vetoed law as extra basis on dismissing charges despite governor veto. Heller case is had affect in Milwaukee defense case about Christmas- judge dismissed the concealed weapons charge with prejudice to prosecuter. RN

Kennesaw has a Written law that requires head of household to have a firearm, ammo, and show they know how to use it. Exceptions in law for mental defects, druggies, felony convictions and objectors not to have a gun but they must file objections with police. General crime rate reported about 1/3 less than surrounding area 2004. RN.

NEsota,

The time frame has NOTHING to do with whether or not a constitutional right exists. Even if the right under consideration is a totally outdated idea based on current civilization, that right still exists until an amendment to the constitution changes it.

If we are to pick and choose which parts of the constitution are outdated and which are applicable, I have a few that I would like to ignore. But time and time again, we are told we cannot pick and choose which laws we will abide by. (Unfortunately, government and police departments feel a personal need to pick and choose which laws they are going to ENFORCE - which in my opinion is a violition of their oath of office and/or position.)

All citizens are expected to operate under the rules of government which say that if you don't like a law, work to change it. The same holds true to a much higher degree with the bill of rights and other parts of the constitution.

Oops!--double posted

I'm sure this will hit the fan, too...
Being from Illinois, and trying not to let the laws run my blood pressure too high...
I try to look at it like this...
The FOID card qualifies me as a legal citizen militia member, monitored by the Illinois State Police, by sheer fact of holding the FOID proving that I am an honorable, law abiding citizen.
Therefore, my second ammendment right is defensible, when the word "militia" is analyzed. Rather than calling me up to take my guns, I can be called up to defend. I wish I could realy believe that :lol:
Different spin on it, and yes, I'm very worried about my 2A rights.
I'm very pro-gun, its at the heart of what defines America and Americans!
Been around guns all my life, honorable veteran--proud to serve, etc.
A gun is just like another tool in the toolbox.
You simply choose the right tool for the job,
for whatever life throws at you...
And when you put a tool in an untrained idiot's hands, something usually gets screwed up. And the criminals won't abide by anymore laws, they don't abide by the ones we already have...anybody believes otherwise may be a politician or a fool :lol: I'm sure more training would help, rather than more restrictions.