jason eddleston
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i might buy a 2003 f 350 diesel 6.0 that has 75k,any one know the mpg,
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Ask the seller what mpg it gets. Find out the rear axle ratio as well, the higher the number -the worse the mileage- 4:10 will drink more fuel than a 3:55 for example. Take the truck for an extended drive if possible, and you should get a feel for the truck, as well as the overall conditition.
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Anonymous-0
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Ya, buyer beware is right with the 6.0L. Why do you want to put yourself through the pain of owning one?
Wish I could remember the axle ratio the neighbor had in his. The day he traded it in, he got 14 on the interstate going 70. That was his best tank in 60k miles since new. Bought his Cummins and never looked back.
Wish I could remember the axle ratio the neighbor had in his. The day he traded it in, he got 14 on the interstate going 70. That was his best tank in 60k miles since new. Bought his Cummins and never looked back.
Andy In IL
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18-20 mpg my a$$ I have a 2005 6.0 powerstroke 5 speed manul with 3.73 best empty foot out of the gas 18.5 mpg, all around town 13-15 and pulling 10,000 pound trailer. The 2000 models come with 3.73s or 4.10s. want milage get a Duramax, want torque get a cummins, want trouble get stroked!!!
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Maybe after 75000 miles and 5 years someone got every thing fixed on it, but I wouldnt trust it. The warranty is probably close to being out on the thing, time wise, so if it were me, Id run the other direction. BUT, to answer your question, 14 - 15 average would sound like what Ive heard.
Anonymous-0
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i know a father and son both have one and both have had about the same problems the father just got his out of the local ford dealership repair shop for $2500.00 bucks im not sure what all was wrong with it but i know it had close to 200'000 miles on it.i have a 06 duramax with a utility bed i haul a welder/torches and fyll of tools it weighs 10500 lbs and i get right at 16mpg.
RICK
RICK
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Ya -- that would be with a tail wind, and going down hill ..
Brian in MI
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I have a 2003 F-250 4X4 6.0 6-speed manual with 3.73 gears. I get avg 18 mpg. loaded towing is about 13 - 14 mpg.
It is discussions like this one where the 6.0 gets a bad rap. All anyone has is horror stories, and they are a "friends truck", or "I know a guy with". My 6.0 has 152,000 miles on it and has only had minor computer reprograming, 1/2 day at dealer max. Only major problem was a broken turbo inlet pipe 1 day at dealer.
I know I"am not the only person with minor issues with my truck, but the only ones that say anything ate the ones thad a bad experience with them, never hear from the good ones.
It is discussions like this one where the 6.0 gets a bad rap. All anyone has is horror stories, and they are a "friends truck", or "I know a guy with". My 6.0 has 152,000 miles on it and has only had minor computer reprograming, 1/2 day at dealer max. Only major problem was a broken turbo inlet pipe 1 day at dealer.
I know I"am not the only person with minor issues with my truck, but the only ones that say anything ate the ones thad a bad experience with them, never hear from the good ones.
Brokenwrench
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Like said below, I"d be careful. 03 was the first year of the 6.0 and they had tons of trouble, turbo issues, big time injector issues that could lead to big time motor issues, I think they also had problems with head bolts if I remember right.. In 03 Ford still offered the 7.3, I"d find one of those, night and day difference.
I have two 7.3"s, love the power and milage. Both are pushing 200,000 miles with no major motor work done to them. Replacing water pumps around 150 and glow plugs around the same time was the only thing we"ve done to them other than maintanance.
Brother in law bought an 03 1 ton straight axle straight cab new. He ordered the truck and could"ve had the 6.0 or the 7.3. Salesman talked him into the 6.0. Said more HP, more torque, better mpg. He didn"t really need a 1 ton or a diesel, just young and had some money to burn. He bragged it up pretty big at first, how it made mine look sick and all. Funny thing was at least one of ours is always pulling something, the most he ever pulled was his 4 wheeler on a little trailer. His was a nice driving truck with good power. He drove it up to 40,000 and traded it for an 03 F150 crew cab and took a big kick in the shorts. The thing was always in the dealership with motor problems.
He did claim to get around 18-19 mpg normal driving with his, that was when it wasn`t missing with an injector out.
I have two 7.3"s, love the power and milage. Both are pushing 200,000 miles with no major motor work done to them. Replacing water pumps around 150 and glow plugs around the same time was the only thing we"ve done to them other than maintanance.
Brother in law bought an 03 1 ton straight axle straight cab new. He ordered the truck and could"ve had the 6.0 or the 7.3. Salesman talked him into the 6.0. Said more HP, more torque, better mpg. He didn"t really need a 1 ton or a diesel, just young and had some money to burn. He bragged it up pretty big at first, how it made mine look sick and all. Funny thing was at least one of ours is always pulling something, the most he ever pulled was his 4 wheeler on a little trailer. His was a nice driving truck with good power. He drove it up to 40,000 and traded it for an 03 F150 crew cab and took a big kick in the shorts. The thing was always in the dealership with motor problems.
He did claim to get around 18-19 mpg normal driving with his, that was when it wasn`t missing with an injector out.
Runnwild7810
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We ordered 2 new 350s in 03 one came with the 7.3 and the other with the 6.0 After numerous trips to the shop (turbo, flywheel, injsctors and inter cooler)with the 6.0 Ford bought it back. We still have the 7.3 98,000 miles and all we have done is change the fliuds and brake pads. The 6.4 is junk too. I am a ford guy and still have 3 2000-7.3, 2003-7.3, 2004-5.4 But If you want a newer truck get a duramax. I have been happy with mine .If ford would have kept the 7.3 they would not have lost the market share they once had.
Charles Santhuff
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I've got a 96 F250 powerstroke with a five speed transmission and a 165,000 on it. Always gets 20 MPH on the highway empty and only problem was replacing harness on one bank for glow plugs. Dealer warranty on that. Great truck.
This topic brings to light one of the reasons "the big 3" are in such bad shape. Take a pretty good design with little troubles and then scrap that and bring out something that is nothing but troubles. Or keep building a troubled design without scrapping it.
Makes you wonder if they even test this stuff anymore ? They must just build it and let the buyers test it ?
Makes you wonder if they even test this stuff anymore ? They must just build it and let the buyers test it ?
I have a 95 7.0 Power Stroke. Apsolute best purchase I have ever made in my life.
I get 21 mpg on the highway empty.
I know a guy who has a F350 w/power stroke.
stick w/ dual wheels.
He only gets 13 mpg.
Might have some thing to do with the gearing of the rear end.
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I get 21 mpg on the highway empty.
I know a guy who has a F350 w/power stroke.
stick w/ dual wheels.
He only gets 13 mpg.
Might have some thing to do with the gearing of the rear end.
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Let's not forget the tougher emissions standards rammed down their throats by the enviro wackos.
From what I've read, they COULDN'T have kept the 7.3, and HAD to come up with something drastically new to meet the emissions requirements.
You can't hardly blame the car companies for that.
From what I've read, they COULDN'T have kept the 7.3, and HAD to come up with something drastically new to meet the emissions requirements.
You can't hardly blame the car companies for that.
As said below you might want to stay away from the 03 and 04 6.0 engines. It wasn't just the assembly process that made "some" bad. The design of the injectors make them all prone to leaking - some leak worse than others and age and wear makes them all worse.
We have a few newer 6.0s and they will walk all over the older 7.3s we've had. The 6.0s get a little less mileage about 14-15 empty instead of 16-17 out of the 7.3s empty. Loaded they both get 9-11. We have two of the 6.4 and it is a real horse and out pulls both the 6.0 and makes the 7.3 look anemic - but empty mileage is only 13-14 empty and 9-11 loaded. We also have a V10 gas and it gets 13-15 empty - making it the main "driver" since gas is about 2/3s the price of deisel. Its power is more in line with the 7.3 (or a little less) but you don't notice it until you really load it up.
We have a few newer 6.0s and they will walk all over the older 7.3s we've had. The 6.0s get a little less mileage about 14-15 empty instead of 16-17 out of the 7.3s empty. Loaded they both get 9-11. We have two of the 6.4 and it is a real horse and out pulls both the 6.0 and makes the 7.3 look anemic - but empty mileage is only 13-14 empty and 9-11 loaded. We also have a V10 gas and it gets 13-15 empty - making it the main "driver" since gas is about 2/3s the price of deisel. Its power is more in line with the 7.3 (or a little less) but you don't notice it until you really load it up.
D'oh I have the 7.3 not 7.0.
Any way here is a good power stroke site.
http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f24/
Punch here for Power stroke lovin
Any way here is a good power stroke site.
http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/f24/
Punch here for Power stroke lovin
pete black
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our service truck unit is mounted on an 04 f550 with the 6.0. numerous problems with carbon buildup on the egr and multible injector problems. with over 92k miles, all repaired under warrenty except for a $100.00 deduct, however, downtime can be lenghty.
Don't give the Duramax that much credit, My company has a 2005 Duramax 4 door 3/4 ton that is used extensively. Empty it gets 16, but loaded pulling a 14 foot tool trailer for the company and it had a hard time hitting 11. We drove it from Grand Rapids to Philly and had to stop every 2 1/2 hours to get fuel. Yes it has power but milage just sucks. I have never had my Cummins on a trip like that to compare but what I have done with it blows the Duramax away.
Sean McDonnell
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I have a 2001 f-250 with a 7.3 and I love it. My brother has an identical truck a few years newer with the 6.0 and he's been pretty happy with it as well. Other than the engines they are both the same drivetrain (trans,axle ratio,etc)Both of us were averaging about 21-22mpg unloaded before the switch to Ultra low sulphur diesel here in PA. Currently I'm lucky to get 17 out of mine and I believe he gets about 16 with his on average. Once in a ehile I can still find some of the good stuff at a rural station and my mileage goes right back up to where it used to be. Another great way for the oil companies to make more money, by claiming it reduces emissions but I have to burn more fuel to go the same distance. So the reduction in emmissions isn't quite as impressive as they claim when you consider that part of it.
Paul from MN
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I have a 2005 F350 4x4 single rear wheel with a 6.0.
With summer blend fuel, empty freeway cruising at 70 mph I get 18. Slower is better, faster it gets worse. If at a constant 55mph I can get a little over 20.
Pulling a 20+5 gooseneck loaded with tractor(s) it gets about 9-10.
Pulling my boat about 13.
With summer blend fuel, empty freeway cruising at 70 mph I get 18. Slower is better, faster it gets worse. If at a constant 55mph I can get a little over 20.
Pulling a 20+5 gooseneck loaded with tractor(s) it gets about 9-10.
Pulling my boat about 13.
We have two company trucks with the Duramax. The 2001 has had over well $24,000 in repairs (not counting tires & brakes and none due to an accident) with 168,000 miles. Right now I'd feel guilty selling it to any one unless it was for parts. That truck is a pretty touchy subject with certain people.
The 2002 has 98,000 "easy miles" and has only had the fuel pump replaced once. On the down side it won't stay in 3rd gear (6 Speed) and the injectors are leaking and need replaced.
The 2002 has 98,000 "easy miles" and has only had the fuel pump replaced once. On the down side it won't stay in 3rd gear (6 Speed) and the injectors are leaking and need replaced.
Brokenwrench
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I think the 6.0 can give itself it`s own bad rap. Usually the "horror stories" are coming right from the truck owner.
I own a transmission repair shop, and work closely with a couple shops that do alot of diesel performance work. If you doubt the reality that especially the early 6.0`s had some pretty heavy durability issues, just talk to somebody who has experience with more than just one truck..
Don`t get me wrong, great for you, but your truck is the exception not the rule.
As long as the 7.3 was the power plant, darned near every ambulance built was a ford chasis. When we had our new ambulance built (08) there`s a reason the manufacturer refused to put it on a ford chasis. The 6.0 has been plagued with issues and the 6.4 is too big to stick in a van chasis. So here we sit with our new Chevy 1 ton Duramax ambulance. So far so good...
I own a transmission repair shop, and work closely with a couple shops that do alot of diesel performance work. If you doubt the reality that especially the early 6.0`s had some pretty heavy durability issues, just talk to somebody who has experience with more than just one truck..
Don`t get me wrong, great for you, but your truck is the exception not the rule.
As long as the 7.3 was the power plant, darned near every ambulance built was a ford chasis. When we had our new ambulance built (08) there`s a reason the manufacturer refused to put it on a ford chasis. The 6.0 has been plagued with issues and the 6.4 is too big to stick in a van chasis. So here we sit with our new Chevy 1 ton Duramax ambulance. So far so good...
John M
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Nope, Ford wanted a different engine, and rushed IH to build it. The problems are with what Ford wanted done to it. We have several IH trucks with the 6.0 and have not had one days problem with them.The new 6.4 was the one that had to meet stricter emissions.BTW, the 7.3 was still being used by IH even though Ford wasnt. We have an 04 with a 7.3.
Brian in MI
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Sorry,
But I can't belive my truck is the ONLY one that is worth a darn. So you tell me that (1) ONE truck out of thousands built is the only deacent one ever made, I don't think so.
But I can't belive my truck is the ONLY one that is worth a darn. So you tell me that (1) ONE truck out of thousands built is the only deacent one ever made, I don't think so.
Brokenwrench
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Brian,
If I was in your shoes I`d probably have the same opinion you do.
It`s kinda the same thing as the early 90`s dodge minivans. They were noted for transmission failures at pretty low miles, but every so often I`d work on one that would have 150,000-200,000 miles on and still have the factory original transmission in it..
That doesn`t mean there wasn`t a problem, some just plain old hung in there.
Whether it`s trucks I`ve worked on, a friend, relative or whatever that has especially the early 6.0 trucks, they`ve had problems.
The issues seem to be pretty common, turbo problems, injectors, motor issues. Some of the trucks have had mods done to them like programmers, big exhaust, whatever, and I don`t think that helps any.
But in the case of my brother in law, who I pretty much see every day, his truck was bone stock and not abused. In 40,000 miles I can`t even tell you how much time that truck spent back at the dealership, Ford was good about it. Don`t get me wrong, but when he decided to trade it off he was so tired of it being broke down he felt he had to make a move.
The bad part is, he loved the truck. The super duty is a great built truck, none better. It`s just the issues they`ve had with the 6.0 are fairly widespread, obviously not every one.
The initial post here was a guy looking to buy a truck on the verge of going off warranty. I think the advice he is largely being given to be careful is right on. Diesel repairs are costly.
Nothing against against your truck, or no implication that you are foolish for owning it. Do what works for you. But, the problems the 6.0 has are not invented in a chat room, or just hearsay, they are real issues...
Sorry if I offended you, I really wasn`t putting down anybody or their truck, just sharing the experience I`ve had... BW
If I was in your shoes I`d probably have the same opinion you do.
It`s kinda the same thing as the early 90`s dodge minivans. They were noted for transmission failures at pretty low miles, but every so often I`d work on one that would have 150,000-200,000 miles on and still have the factory original transmission in it..
That doesn`t mean there wasn`t a problem, some just plain old hung in there.
Whether it`s trucks I`ve worked on, a friend, relative or whatever that has especially the early 6.0 trucks, they`ve had problems.
The issues seem to be pretty common, turbo problems, injectors, motor issues. Some of the trucks have had mods done to them like programmers, big exhaust, whatever, and I don`t think that helps any.
But in the case of my brother in law, who I pretty much see every day, his truck was bone stock and not abused. In 40,000 miles I can`t even tell you how much time that truck spent back at the dealership, Ford was good about it. Don`t get me wrong, but when he decided to trade it off he was so tired of it being broke down he felt he had to make a move.
The bad part is, he loved the truck. The super duty is a great built truck, none better. It`s just the issues they`ve had with the 6.0 are fairly widespread, obviously not every one.
The initial post here was a guy looking to buy a truck on the verge of going off warranty. I think the advice he is largely being given to be careful is right on. Diesel repairs are costly.
Nothing against against your truck, or no implication that you are foolish for owning it. Do what works for you. But, the problems the 6.0 has are not invented in a chat room, or just hearsay, they are real issues...
Sorry if I offended you, I really wasn`t putting down anybody or their truck, just sharing the experience I`ve had... BW
I know some one some where has one they like, but I only know of two friends of mine that have 6.0. One hauls minonite built yard barns. All three of his 6.0's got traded in for chevys before any of them hit 50,000 miles. Another friend bought one a few years ago. It's spent more time in the shop in the last year than it's been out and it is just over 100,000 miles. This week he bought a rebuilt 5.9 out of a school bus and is getting the stuff to convert it over.
I have never heard anything good about them.
Dave
I have never heard anything good about them.
Dave
Brian in MI
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I do not doubt you or your friends experiences with the 6.0. I'am not offended nor did I try to offend you about this, It's just that when someone says something about a 6.0 no one says anything good about them. Granted they did have issues in the beginning, but by now all the bugs should be worked out.
2005 f350 4wd long box automatic. When new and unloaded 18 mpg hwy. Loaded dropped to 13 mpg. When sulphur content changed, loaded 11 mpg. Haven't used it empty since. Load is camper 2500 lbs. Died in heavy traffic with 1000 miles and would only go 5 mph. Had to get towed o ver hills. Dealer fix fast, no explanation, just glitch. Cruise usually falls out, abs lights come on a lot, engine light is on a lot. Now 15k miles, make me an offer. Dave
2005 f350 4wd long box automatic. When new and unloaded 18 mpg hwy. Loaded dropped to 13 mpg. When sulphur content changed, loaded 11 mpg. Haven't used it empty since. Load is camper 2500 lbs. Died in heavy traffic with 1000 miles and would only go 5 mph. Had to get towed o ver hills. Dealer fix fast, no explanation, just glitch. Cruise usually falls out, abs lights come on a lot, engine light is on a lot. Now 15k miles, make me an offer. Dave
IndianaRed
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Hey Brokenwrench. Been looking for someone I could get some good advice from, hope you don't mind giving some free knowledge.
I have a 2006 Chevy G2500 Van, 4.8 gas. I'm right up on 300k with not 1 issue, except for that the tranny started whining a little in 1st and 2nd gear at about 150k. Been doing it for over 100k now and hasn't gotten worse, so I take it nothing much to worry about? No other issues like slipping or anything, fluid not burnt. All I've ever done to it is drop the pan, changed the fliter and added a few quarts of Dex 6 to it, (pricy stuff), at 170k. Never had it flushed, as I went passed 100k within about 10 months of having it and all the shops said it was too late to do any good. I've kept Lucas tranny fluid in it, and have pulled a lot of heavy loads through the mountains with that 4.8 screaming in 3rd or 2nd gear.
Seems like this must be a really good tranny unit? I think it's the L4, but not sure.
And just a side question since you seem quite knowledgeable. How is it that I've gotten over 285k miles on my factory brake pads? I've taken them off 3 times with new ones to put on, but they show almost zero wear so I put the originals back on.
Thanks,
Brian
I have a 2006 Chevy G2500 Van, 4.8 gas. I'm right up on 300k with not 1 issue, except for that the tranny started whining a little in 1st and 2nd gear at about 150k. Been doing it for over 100k now and hasn't gotten worse, so I take it nothing much to worry about? No other issues like slipping or anything, fluid not burnt. All I've ever done to it is drop the pan, changed the fliter and added a few quarts of Dex 6 to it, (pricy stuff), at 170k. Never had it flushed, as I went passed 100k within about 10 months of having it and all the shops said it was too late to do any good. I've kept Lucas tranny fluid in it, and have pulled a lot of heavy loads through the mountains with that 4.8 screaming in 3rd or 2nd gear.
Seems like this must be a really good tranny unit? I think it's the L4, but not sure.
And just a side question since you seem quite knowledgeable. How is it that I've gotten over 285k miles on my factory brake pads? I've taken them off 3 times with new ones to put on, but they show almost zero wear so I put the originals back on.
Thanks,
Brian
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