What's the latest on scrapping old cars and tractors?

I agree with the person who favors this plan. If we are going to pay millionaire farmers to not produce corn, why not do this?

What does the scrapping idea have at all to do with farm subsidies? It is like you are saying " I'm going to eat apples because you like oranges. Dave

Out with the old and in with the new. Who wants an M when you can get a new Farmall? Same goes for cars and trucks, who wants an old Hemi when you can get a new Hemi?

And help dry up the availability of restorable vehicles and tractors as well as used but usable parts for them? What are you smoking? No, thanks!

No one is going to make you do it Einstein.

How can we be the richest, most powerful country in the world with outdated cars and trucks?

There was a post a while back about some alledged govt plan to pay for old junk cars. Not sure where the idea came from. Like most govt programs it wouldn't work anyway.


Gene

As farm a millionair farmers. My son is an ag rep for John Deere. The sparayers he works with cost a quarter of a million each.

I would guess the average full time farmer might have several million in land and equipment, with few guarantees of making one red cent. Most of the folks who bi*ch about them only have their dinner bucket invested in their job.

Gene

Call me an old fool, I will gladly take old over new!
Jim

Ok, your an old fool. Compare a IH 1466 to a John Deere 7720 for example. the 7720 is much more able to get the power to the ground and don't get me started on operator comfort improvments. A 1466 will never be quiet, I don't care what you do to it, and don't forget the whine the rear end makes that can be heard over the loud engine going down the road. The 7720 can work all hours and not bother anyone too much, the 1466 is a good way to make enemies of the neighboring mc mansions to your field. I could compare others, but felt like comparing those.

i too will take old over new everytime, not only to preserve history [ at my age im part of history] but because the old stuff was beter quality, better made, by americans with pride in their work, and usualy simpler to repair than the new, and i just wont pay more for less these days. as for the poster below on new hemi's over the old ones, i umm, trust you have never actually driven a well tuned street hemi fron the late '60's or early '70's,? i have, and there is no way the new ones will be the equal of the old ones,

I do not think the scrap incenitive is to rid old equipment to force the puchases of newly manufactured equipment. I also do not think it is to clean up the landscape of sprawling subdivisons. I do think it is to minimize mining new ore to make the increasing demand of structural steel and the like.

As for new vs. old I have opinions on that. Newer equipment and vehicles have many advantages over older. I have two examples. I have a 1979 C20 truck and a 2001 K1500 truck. I like the 1979 and it is easier/more accesable to work on. But if something major needs repaired/replaced, they both would go to a mechanic shop. Mostly because I can afford to have it done, I do not want to do it, and they can do it better. The 2001 is built better, rattles less, less wind noise, stiffer frame, better ride, smoother running, and is more fuel efficent. The 1979 will always start when needed, pull a house, and has less to maintain. I like them both but the 2001 is light years ahead in engineering and comfort.

The next example is I have a 1962 Farmall 504 diesel and a 2005 New Holland TC30. These are apple and oranges as for size and capabilities but neverless. The 504 is the workhorse of the farm. I feel it is built like a Sherman tank and is highly reliable. The NH is much lighter built but also reliable. The 504 sheet metal is much thicker than the NH, a limb will dent the NH. The NH has a modern diesel and starts easy in the coldest Louisiana winter day. The 504 requires 30 + seconds of glow plug use in the hottest summer day on a cold engine. The NH is very quiet, the 504 is fairly noisey with a brand new muffler. The transmission is smoother on the NH, the steering is better on the NH, ect.

Fact is I like the all. I like the classics, but rely on the modern. I do not like the fact that the old ones are going to the scrappers. I recently drove 800 miles round trip to get parts off 504. Much cheaper than buying from CNH. I also enjoy working on the 504. I do all my tractor repairs, vs taking an automobile to a mechanic. The reason is I dislike auto work.

Charles

The sad fact of the matter is that most Americans simply cant afford to purchase a newer automobile or tractor even if a govt. program gives them over twice what the old ones worth.

Just speculating, but perhaps they are trying to do what the Euro zone does: Make ownership of new iron more attractive, stimulating demand. It would be more of a economic program.

Let's help this x22 dimbulb by explaining the obvious. This is an old tractor forum. If more old tractors are scrapped, it means fewer opportunities for ALL who might wish to enter the hobby. More freedom lost. Fewer available choices.

Some people who could afford new cars and tractors and motorcycles prefer the old ones they know how to work on. Sometimes when you get old only the familairity of this stuff means anything to you. Who wants new stuff you have to pay good money to maintain. Especially if you love working on things.

i can't stand this newer stuff. shure they may be esayer on gas, run quiter, but new stuff is made so cheap it's all plastic and aluminum. when you buy a new tractor or car thers nomemories to be made working on it and restoing it with you son, dad, or grandfather, and the new stuff has sll these sensorson them that are supose to help but they just make more difficult to figure out the proplem if your just a guy who likes to work on your own stuff. the only way you can work on these things is if you spend a whole lot of money for a diagnostics computer or hull it into a shop, but with all this electrical sensors and stuff even they are wrong from time to time.

for you who say why fix an old tractor or car up when you can buy a new one, go ahead buy some thing that is using up more steel and plastic. i'll just get somethig that has already been made put a fraction of the money you spent on a new product into it. cause 20-30 years from now when your on you 5th hybrid and the rest you owned are sitting in a junk yard like that water bottle you tryed to recycle, at least my old reliable picse of exipment will still be running strong like they are now

when these old tractors and cars get scraped it makes it harder for collectors who like to have as many original parts as they can get to find these original parts.

basically if you are for scrapping thes old tractors and cars go screw your self. this is a site for people who like these old tractors. so go play in the dasiys with your hybrid that runs on your resycled farts