Mar Fenstermacher
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I just purchased a 1964 Oliver 1600 wide front tractor. How can you determine whether it is a rowcrop or utility tractor?
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Row crop tractors have the ability to adjust the stance width of the tractor. By sliding the rear wheels on the axle.
Utilities are closer to the ground and usually had the transmission between your feet.
There was never a 1600 utility made it was a row crop.
Olivers utilities were the 55,Super55 and the 550.
IH was the only company the made a utility with the same numbers as the row crops. 300,350 and 460.
Later on IH used different numbers for the utilities than what the row crops had.
Now if you are calling a wheatland style a utility. Then the difference was usually the big rounded fenders to help keep the dust off of you in the drier parts of the US where wheat was grown.
Only way to get on these tractors was from the rear of the tractor cause of the big fenders in front.
These are just general comparisons there are other characteristics of each also.
Gary
Utilities are closer to the ground and usually had the transmission between your feet.
There was never a 1600 utility made it was a row crop.
Olivers utilities were the 55,Super55 and the 550.
IH was the only company the made a utility with the same numbers as the row crops. 300,350 and 460.
Later on IH used different numbers for the utilities than what the row crops had.
Now if you are calling a wheatland style a utility. Then the difference was usually the big rounded fenders to help keep the dust off of you in the drier parts of the US where wheat was grown.
Only way to get on these tractors was from the rear of the tractor cause of the big fenders in front.
These are just general comparisons there are other characteristics of each also.
Gary
If you've got a utility 1600,it's very rare. Most folks say that they didn't exist,that Oliver didn't come out with a utility that size until the 1550 utility. But the parts book shows parts for the 1600 utility,that's about the only way to prove that there were any,except the small handful of people who worked for dealers who claimed that the dealership they worked for sold one. I'm guessing yours has 38 inch tires. Row crop.
Dean Barker
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There are two Oliver 1600 Utility tractors in Charles City. Owner runs a parts store. They had smaller rear tires and a mid mounted front axle.
earthmasterk
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IAGARY
You might be correct in your statement about IH utility tractors but you are not even close about your statement about other brands.
Massey built a lot of tractors that had the same model numbers, but were an entirely different model between the row crop and utility. Models 50 65 85 90 150 165 are an example.
Same way with MM 335 and 445. Not to mention John Deere 1010 2010 and some later models.
I won't list the Case models in the 50's and 60's, or the Ford models in the 60's.
Oliver built the 1600 model in several different types. One model was called the row crep utility. It had 28 inch rear rubber, a different front axle and different gearing. There are several around here. They competed with the John Deere 3010 utility, and that model was built as a row crop model as well as a utility..
You might be correct in your statement about IH utility tractors but you are not even close about your statement about other brands.
Massey built a lot of tractors that had the same model numbers, but were an entirely different model between the row crop and utility. Models 50 65 85 90 150 165 are an example.
Same way with MM 335 and 445. Not to mention John Deere 1010 2010 and some later models.
I won't list the Case models in the 50's and 60's, or the Ford models in the 60's.
Oliver built the 1600 model in several different types. One model was called the row crep utility. It had 28 inch rear rubber, a different front axle and different gearing. There are several around here. They competed with the John Deere 3010 utility, and that model was built as a row crop model as well as a utility..
The MF 65,85,90,150,165 all had spin out rims. Did they call them a utility?
If so what defines a utility. I always defined a row crop as any tractor where you could change the width of the tire stance.A utility you could not change to any position for row spacings that you have.
Never have seen a JD2010 utility but I have seen a JD 1010,1020 utility. Never seen a 1010 row crop either.
Gary
If so what defines a utility. I always defined a row crop as any tractor where you could change the width of the tire stance.A utility you could not change to any position for row spacings that you have.
Never have seen a JD2010 utility but I have seen a JD 1010,1020 utility. Never seen a 1010 row crop either.
Gary
You are confusing a standard (wheatland) that is non adjustable wheel tread low tractor for a utility tractor and all utility tractors had adjustable wheel tread but were not high enough clearance for cultivating, then the row crop utility that had the adjustable wheel tread along with enough clearance for cultivating. Then the row crop was just that, designed for row crops with adjustable wheel tread and more clearance and could be equiped with a single front wheel, dual front wheels or a wide front end and could carry front mount cultivators. A few row crop utility supposedly were able to carry the cultivators but actually did not have enough height to barely get the cultivators out of the ground. Then the high crop tractors that were a taller version of the row crop tractors and usualy only had a wide front end. The Ford N series thru the NAA, 6xx & 8xx and Ferguson TE20, TO20, TO30, and TO 35 all could actually be classified as row crop utility tractors.
JD did make a 1010, 1020 & 2010 utility but they are very rare, the popular models were the row crop utility models and they did make row crop models of the 1010 & 2010 tractors but not of the 1020 tractor but to confuse things more the1020 HU was a higher built row crop utility and it was never offered with a narrow front end but it was the same height as the 1010 row crop and that tractor with a wide front could be confused as a row crop utility in that it was esentually the same style as the 1020HU and the 1010 row crop you straddled the transmission as well but the 2010 row crop had a high flat platform.
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