Block heaters

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Hey Folks,

Household electricity over here is 230 volts @50hz. Think a 110 volt block heater (any type) would burn out if I plugged it in, or just heat up faster?
I can find a 230 volt one here but they sure are proud of them. I like the idea of the radiator hose one, but just don't find them here.

Any ideas?

Dave

buickanddeere · Dec 23, 2008

I've seen 240V heaters in the Deere catalog for the same price as 120V. Heard of a situation where the owner and dealership spent months trying to figure out why the heater barely worked. They were using a 240V heater with 120V.
There has to be a ebay vender with something?

rustyfarmall · Dec 23, 2008

I'm not an electrician, don't even claim to be, but your electricity at 50 hertz may not be compatible with our 60 hertz, so you are probably going to need to find your engine heater locally. I may be wrong, won't be the first time.

IaGary · Dec 23, 2008

Rusty the way I read it they do not have 110/220 like we have.

They have 230/460 or just the 230.

So he would be running 230 into a 110 heater.

I had to read it a couple of times myself to see the problem.

Gary

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Don't plug the 110 volt heater into 230 volt, you will just burn it out in no time. Look around, hopefully you can find one at a price you are comfortable with. How about checking an auto parts store? Paul

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

I don't THINK the hz is an issue in this situation, believe it is more of an issue with lighting and electronics. Guess it would be the same principal as hooking up a 12 volt battery to a 6 volt heating element?

There are 12 volt heaters available all day that are used in heater hoses for next to nothing (used). Maybe a better idea would be to use one of these wired permanently, then just hook up a battery charger when using it??? If it hits 20 degrees in this area, it's very cold. Just doing a little brainstorming.

Dave

PS. remember how Tim Allen talks about rewiring for more power? Plug in a 110 volt sander, drill, or skilsaw into 230 volts.............. :roll: :roll:

El Toro · Dec 23, 2008

Call Phillips & Timro at 1-800-328-6108 or email them at [email protected] to see if they have any engine heaters with the 230v/50hertz. They make heaters for the lower radiator hose. Hal

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Just emailed them.

Thanks, Dave

buickanddeere · Dec 23, 2008

50Hz, 60Hz, 25Hz, 40Hz or DC. It makes absolutly zero difference to resistance heaters, incandescent lamps and series DC motors.

buickanddeere · Dec 23, 2008

They run 220V to 240V single phase to neutral on lights, household appliances etc.
That gives them 220/380 or 240/416 three phase to operate small to medium sized motors.
It saves running extra wiring, duplicate systems etc. Here we fool around with mixed systems using Delta or WYE with 120/240, 120/208, occasionally 240/416, 277/480 and 347/600.
Even some of those spooky tapped delta systems.

IaGary · Dec 23, 2008

I have never run into the 374/600 and hope I never do.

I am wondering why we have so many differant voltages that we use here in the states.

Most power companies that I deal with run the 120/240 on single phase. But not all.

One town 12 miles from here is on the 120/208.

When I worked for the weld shop and we took a welder to do work inside we always had to be careful what we were plugging into.

Don't know how many times we had to reconfigure the welder though the years to match the voltage.

Gary

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Most, but not all cell phone cargers are 110/220. I know from experience that you can use a 110 only cell phone charger on 220, but it only works once.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Dave, I lived in Germany twice; once for 5 years and once for 2 years. Had portable transformers that we used all over the house to run 120 volt USA household products. Had about 4 transformers that you just carried around. Should be widely available there. Tom

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

(quoted from post at 06:46:38 12/23/08) Dave, I lived in Germany twice; once for 5 years and once for 2 years. Had portable transformers that we used all over the house to run 120 volt USA household products. Had about 4 transformers that you just carried around. Should be widely available there. Tom

Sure are, but real expensive and void fire insurance. I've got one or two that I sneak out now and then, but not too often. I've pretty much weaned off the 120 volt stuff, but some things are just a lot cheaper to get from Home. Where/when were you here?

Dave

Dave Sherburne NY · Dec 23, 2008

I have a brand new 230volt tank type heater in the garage, wonder what shipping to ________ is.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

(quoted from post at 07:03:17 12/23/08) I have a brand new 230volt tank type heater in the garage, wonder what shipping to ________ is.

How does it work (how is it used)? Shipping isn't much as my address is NY based.

You can email me if you want.

[email protected]

Anonymous-0 · Dec 23, 2008

Here's what Kim Start tank heaters look like. Hal

El Toro · Dec 23, 2008

I mispelled my handle. Hal

Mike (WA) · Dec 23, 2008

The 50 hertz won't make any difference- but the 240 volts will burn it out in short order. Same deal as "I just wanted to see if my 6 volt lights would work after I converter tractor to 12 volts"- the experiment is over "in a flash", so to speak.

buickanddeere · Dec 23, 2008

120/208 from a wye seconday transformer is a scommon as dirt in malls, offices, small to medium businesses, large farms etc. In large business's etc. The 208 will come from a transformer with 600 delta primaries to 120/208 wyw secondaries.
Lets you use ordinary 120V appliances and equipment. Most 240V equipment will run on 208V. Sometimes the winding taps on the transformer get upped a little. 130/228V never hurt anything.
347/600V three phase from a wye connection on secondary side of the utility service transformer is very common. About 1 amp per HP on three phase. Allows motors up to 200HP before getting into huge cables. Or having to go to 4160V or 13.8KV.
You can carry a large amount of power a long way with only small cables using 600V.
There was a trend for a couple of years in the 1960's in downtown Toronto and else where to go 240/416. One service to do everything. All the small loads were to be European style 240V office equipment. The motors in the mechanical rooms 416V three phase.
The idea didn't go very far. Step down transformers added all over the place to obtain 120V. 440V US motors used as replacements instead of purchasing 416 equipment from Europe.

dave guest · Dec 23, 2008

If they are free or real cheap put two in series. No idea what price would be on these. Thinking of magnetic or something from maybe WalMart. Resistance of each must be the same-same amperage. Is this emergency or not?

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