Can I justify a blade for this tractor?

IaGary

Well-known Member
Here's the story. I move a lot of snow, 6 driveways from 100 yards to 1/4 mile long,and the local small airport runway that is 1/2 mile long and 200' wide. Then there is the cows to get to. When we get the drifts and no where to put the snow the snowblower comes out.

But for small snows (under 8") I use a 9 foot blade on the back of this FWD tractor.

Found a decent priced front mount, 12' blade that can be used to reshape waterways as well as push snow. Sure would save the neck and speed things up.

My only worry is tearing up this newer tractor.

What do you guys think?
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I've seen a lot of those 12ft blades around here for siliage. They are all mounted on bigger tractors though. All of them are 200+hp. I think the most common is the MX270 and MX285, but then pushing siliage I would say takes more power than pushing snow.
 
I am no expert on this subject,but I couldn't see how you could tear up that tractor if you operate the snowplow prudently.

Vito
 
Do they use them for snow also? Do they chain up the front wheels?

I weigh 19,000+ lbs. and have 190 HP so I am not to worried about HP.

Gary
 
I would'nt think the snow would hurt anything, its the reshaping of the waterways that would concern me. Depending on how much dirt or whatever you are trying to move. Alot of guys around here have them on big tractors and I don't know of anyone having a problem with anything though. I'm sure the way you seem to take care of things you'll never have a problem either. Just my opinion.
 
Does it have some kinda saftey trip for if it hits something ? A blade that wide I'd think one side might catch something easy.
 
Gary I helped install a Grouser 12 blade on a tractor this fall and it is the cats meow. Used for pushing silage in the fall but used the rest of the year for dirt work. Can build up a roadway or clean out a swale ditch in a hurry. Just make sure that the blade mounts go under the tractor and mount behind the transmission housing. We just traded in a Mtx 255 case I.H. with a Dingleman blade. It has been used hard and was kinda hard on the tractor. Check out the mounting system and I would buy a 6 way blade if I was in the market. Cost of a heavy duty blade installed should be around 18-20 grand. Migraine Call if you want to talk more 360-410-2677 Later
 
Heres a video of an MX255 with a 16 foot blade pushing snow. People in this area usually don't use them for snow unless they get a huge storm. I think its because its cheaper for them to use a plow truck. However, most people don't have an airport runway to clear.
MX255 click here
 
My old neighbor had a 12 footer on his JD 4455 never had an issue. Most of the time he kept our 3 miles of country road open because the county was too busy running the hard roads.... you know how that story goes!
 
I have a 12 ft. Degelman on an 8100 JD FWA and it moves a lot of snow and has piled a lot of silage with no harm to the tractor. In snow I operate it with the duals off, no chains. The only downside is that when it snows my phone rings a lot. The few times I have moved dirt with it I have felt it prudent to be careful and not overly enthusiastic.
 
I use to run a 1896 caseIh with a 12ft blade in snow. We plowed some big shopping malls. It would run circles around two 4x4 trucks.I built the frame to go back to the drawbar and push from there. Never had a problem with the tractor. You shouldn't need chains for what your plowing unless you off road and get into some banks.
The 4 wheel drive works just fine unless your on pure ice,but even it will get you around OK
The blade was built in a local welding shop when I got it. Make sure it has a crossover valve.
It should have a trip system of some sort. The first time I used mine I hit a manhole cover and peeled it right out of the pavement. We installed a trip edge on the bottom for safety sake and to prevent front head injuries.
 
Here is my thinking on this . For snow removal a ft. blade is fine and if you use it accordingly . For dirt work for what they want for a heavy blade ya can get a lot of dozer for . What would work for snow wold be a 10 -12 foot 4 way snow plow and with a little heat wrench and some lincoln ready bolt ya can take the old plow subframe and fit it up under the tractor to the rear hitch area and the ft. of it to the ft. bolster with a easy on and off set up run the hdy. lines in pipe along the sub frame with your 4 hoses to plug into the rear couplers with quick connects up on the ft.so ya can drop the plow with not needed but leave the sub frame on and do it so that the sub frame is 12 to 16 inches off the ground for ground clearance . Set the ft. couplers up so that they are idiot proof and that the hoses will pe pluged into the couples like they do on a pick up plow this helps keep them clean . I have set up three tractors one 1066 a 1466 and a 4240 deere for local guys years a go. The ones that we used were old 10 foot state plows that were the 4 way hdy angle . Now the only DOWN side with this set up is that when angled that if you are really running fast and in heay snow it will shove the ft. of the tractor the opposite way if she gets more then she wants . just not enough weight on the ft.like say a loaded dump truck and at time i have seen then head off into a ditch on the other side of the road that DID not need cleaned out. The plus side is that they have the adjustable skid pads and spring trip.
 
Won't it steer hard if you run with the fwd engaged? Most tractors won't turn a tight circle with the fwd engaged.
 
Gary, you need to find a old bidirectioal to push the snowblower with,sure would beat looking over your shoulder. I have a cousin in Wyo that has a 9030 with a blower on cab end and a plow on the engine end, he does minor dirt work with blade. I have a 10ft western snowplow with mount that fit my loader mounts on my 276 works very well.
 
I would put a Cat 3 three point on the front (like in Europe)and run the blower in the front. It might take some PTO enginuity, but it would allow some forward thinking. and the mount for the blade would be faster as well. JimN
 
If you get a front blade for it, do not push dirt. It is a tractor not a bulldozer. We have a MX270 with a 12 footer on the front. All it gets used for is silage. Used to use it for snow but after hooking the corners and tearing stuff up never again. Doing the silage already is hard enough on the tractor front end and tranny. If you need to push dirt better off renting a dozer.
 
Familiar enough with blades on the front these large tractors, most dairy places here have open sileage pits and use them, storage pits are usually contained and tarped off, they run up onto the pile and push off.

The snow removal thing, just have to mark off or know where any edge catching things might be in your work areas if that set up is rigid, I used to catch 2nd shift pushing snow at a local mall years back, (that was always my biggest concern). We did this additional shift as needed for the site work outfit I was employed by, commercial snow removal and boy does a manhole, catch basin frame & grate or unseen curb do some damage if you hit them with any speed and it don't give, and the blade does not give. One guy hit one of these during one of the shifts I was on, manhole frame & grate, tossed him out of the seat into the winshield, parked that fiat allis loader and went to the Emergency room at the local hospital in need of some stitches. Trip back type Western Snow Plow blades on the truck mounted plows seemed to react better, he caught that one good, nothing you probably don't know already. Place was marked out pretty good too, but as the saying goes sh$t happens. My neighbor used to do the local walmarts with his 3150 fwd and jd loader, and other snow equipment, sure did a number on the bucket, he went and got a 544 or 644 JD payloader, installed a wide carrier type blade, kind, like what you see commonly at airports and other large areas to be cleared, much more productive, less wear to the bucket. Did not take him long to make that change after the bucket was rebuilt, place was a cornfield for years, at least he got the snow removal contract out of it.

Having spent several years of my construction career in the seat of dozers and other equipment, doing fine grading the only thing I would be worried about for using a blade on a large ag type tractor, would be ground pressure, and soil conditions. If you can do this work while it is dry, hard, set the pitch of that blade just right so it does not want to agressively engage the ground, taking thin layers when doing any cutting, no rocks or harsh unforseen things in the soil, ought to work well if the tires don't rut it up. If the ground is soft and the front end of that tractor too heavy, it will make a mess, create large ruts, probably nothing you don't already know, been there many times when I needed a track type tractor, only thing on site had wheels, you make it work, sometimes you don't, soil conditions dictate that. The only thing that would be hard on the tractor is if you try to take thick layers when cutting or push too much loose material at one time, loose material will probably be easy for this set up, as long as you don't try to push too much. If your soils and conditions are dry and hard enough when you do this work, might be ok, but would'nt you need to have tilt and angle each way, for what I assume would be fine grading and or surface drainage type work? LGP dozer would work best, when dry and hard, regular gauge, and or standard track pad width would be best, if you have a lot of that work to be done, might not be so easy to decide, always good to get multi use out of any piece of equipment, just that dirt work might a little tough depending on your set up, soil conditions and your skills at grading.
 
I ALWAYS THINK STRADELING THE FENCE.

If you could put 1/4th of that money you spend on a new blade if you could purchase a old state truck for little money.

Another option is a loader that can be used for other things, and mount a state plow off a old truck on a quick tatch bucket set up.

You must understand I enjoy the welder / cutting torch process more than being practical however.
 
I would buy a blade for that tractor. (very nice machine by the way)
Just think of the extra stuff you could do with it, gravel leveling, more snow removal for cash.

I envy your machine, blading hard crusted snow is important to me.
 
Gary,

There is a family here that is on of the biggest row crop outfits in the the state. I can never remember the red numbers but they have one a little older than that with a blade on the front. When the the 3 2388's move out of one of their farms in the fall, a guy goes round it with the blade push'n out trees, touch'n up water ways and gully plugs. Has worked good for them. I am pretty sure the tractor with the blade is the oldest tractor they have.

Dave
 

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