How many bottom plows can it pull

im looking a buying a 784 or 884 international 4 wheel drive. and im wondering how many 14" bottom plows it would pull through red clay? also how many big of a roto'-tiller it could pull? it has a 540 and 1000 pto on it. thanks

I would say you[i:654c4848f0] might [/i:654c4848f0]be able to pull 4 bottoms in clay with 4wd, however 3 probably would be a better fit. As far as running a tiller, a 784 or 884 is overkill for a garden tiller.

Fully ballasted the 784 should pull 4 16's, but it will be slow. The 884 will just pull it faster.
Those are stout tractors so they should do it even in heavy ground. Power will be the limiting factor tho...
7-8' of tiller would be a good match. It would probably run a bit more if you're not running too deep.

Rod

Typically a plow is primary tillage for field, followed by a disk (aka disk-harrow in some regions) or a field cultivator, and then a harrow (aka drag, or sometimes an attachment on the back of the disk or feld cultivator) right before planting. The plow burries trash & weeds, roughing up the ground so it dries & warms in spring. The 2nd implement (disk or field cultivator) will level out & make the lumps finer, also digging up weeds. The harrow/drag will smooth the soil & tear ot fine weed seedlings. These implements make a good seedbed for grain crops, bigger fields, can deal with a lot of trash, make a proper seedbed for corn & other such grain crops.

A tiller is sort of an all-in-one tillage tool, doing all of the above at one time. It is often used in smaller areas, and makes a fine seed bed for gardens & such type of seeding. They sometimes don't handle trash as well - like heavy cornstalks.

I notice you keep mentioning both a plow & a tiller. That is not a common way to go. Nothing wrong with that, but are you setting yourself up with the propper tools for what you want to do?

Plow needs a lot of traction & pull. For some cropping it is best to do the tillage in stages suc as plow, disk, harrow. This works better with real farm tractors.

Tiller needs a real slow forward speed and live pto is better. Tlling makes a good garden, but sometimes pulverizes the soil too much & too fine for a good field. Can take a lot of fuel & time to do a large area. Just not very common for cropping land. This works better with compact tractors - little fellas.

I didn't think 4wd was real common on that era tractor - be sure that front end is in good shape, parts for it are probably difficult to find. A 60 hp tractor 'here' would match nicely with a 3-14 plow. You might be able to pull 4-14 in easy ground, but that would be some stress maybe, I'd stick with 3-14. A tiller on such a tractor is not a real common thing 'cept in specialized areas?

--->Paul

A 3-14 plow would be great and it would pull a 4-14 when conditions are good. As for the tiller I"ve been told by many men that own them that the were switching to 6-8 ft field cultivators that I made for them. They told me that the tillers did not go deep enough.

In farming books dated from the first quarter of the 1900"s is says to disk before plowing. This makes the perfect seed bed. You"ll actually be turning under loose ground while turning under the debris with it. It"s great for the debris to rot and for the new roots of your crop to expand. I"ve done it on half a field one time and you tell right where I didn"t disk. The crop did better where I disked.