changing manifold heaters types?

Anonymous-0 · Dec 4, 2008

the manifold heater in my Case just gets hot with 12 volt. it takes a lot of amps and tends to pull the old batteries down. The heater in my Massey has a fuel line going to it. It gets hot and spits out hot/vaporised fuel. Doesn't take near as many amps and really makes a difference.
Would the Massey type heater work on the Case?

Fordfarmer · Dec 4, 2008

The one on your Massey sounds like a Thermostart on a Ford. If the hole in the manifold is, or can be drilled to, the right size, and you can add a fuel supply and correct ignition switch, it should be doable.

Bob M · Dec 4, 2008

Those fuel-fired manifold pre-heaters were available on Cummins engines into the 1970's. I've also seen 'em installed on a few older Detroit diesels.

Presuming a suitable opening exists - or can be made - in the manifold there's no reason a Massey-type heater would not work on your Case.

JDemaris · Dec 4, 2008

They are used on many European tractors, Perkins, etc. Cost around $25. Main issue is getting fuel to them. If your tractor does NOT have a gravity-feed fuel tank, you usually have to install a small fuel reservoir above the heater that is tied into your fuel system and kept full.

Bob M · Dec 4, 2008

The preheaters I remember (in Euclid trucks and on stationary power units) used a small, hand-actuated fuel pump. It was usually operated by a knob located on the equipment's instrument panel marked "PREHEATER - FOR STARTING ONLY".

By using a preheater pump it didn't matter where the main fuel tank was located.

JDemaris · Dec 4, 2008

There are many, many differing types of systems out there. Some are simple and some very complicated. Some mechanical, some electric, and some both. Deere used a hand primer pump made by Kohler mounted on the dashboard for 1010s and 2010s. It's still made by Essex and used by the military and in some aircraft. You pump it a certain amount of strokes and use the glow plugs at the same time.

In regard to the unitized one-piece combination heater and diesel "flame thrower" made to mount in the intake-manifold, they have to get fuel from somewhere. On many European tractors, e.g. SAME, a small pint-sized fuel reservoir is mounted a little about the heater so fuel can gravity feed to the heater whenever the electic control is operated. This reservoir is tied into the main fuel-return circuit so it's kept full all the time. Nice simple system and works fine.
If the tractor is already gravity feed, it's a very easy hook-up with no pump or reseroir needed.

A hand primer pump is fine, but costs a fortune. Deere charges $500 just for the hand pump alone. I can buy them direct from the manufacturer, but it's still not cheap at $150.

buickanddeere · Dec 4, 2008

I have a 3-53 aluminum block cast iron head engine here with some sort of winter start aid.
There is a buzz coil connected to a sparkplug. The sparkplug is threaded into the block's air gallery near the blower.
I assume there must have been some sort of fuel delivery system spraying something flammable onto that plug???

JDemaris · Dec 4, 2008

There are basically two versions - the dry heat version (electric coil only), and the fuel-fed "flame thrower" version. Either one usually threads into a big hole in the intake manfold. AC,Ford,MF,Same,Perkins, IH, et.al. have used them.

I'm going to be real stupid here, but what is the aluminum 3-53 you're mentioning? I've got several Detroit cast-iron, two-stroke-cycle diesels - but is your's something different? Is there a aluminum version Detroit?

Bob M · Dec 4, 2008

Never run across anything like that!

Suspect there was some sort of arrangement to squirt a flammable liquid (gasoline, or possibly ether) into the blower inlet. The spark plug would then ignite the mixture once it entered the air box.

Anonymous-0 · Dec 4, 2008

have something like that on a 1948 3-71 Detroit. The whole assembly bolts on the side of engine in place of the center cover. Has what looks like a home furnace transformer,set of points and orifice plug threaded to inside of cover.

buickanddeere · Dec 7, 2008

It was out of a Gamma Goat.
The US has used aluminum blocks & heads to keep the weight down in amphibious vehicles.
The marine mine sweepers even have non magnetic crankshafts, rods etc.

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