Anonymous-0
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I will not even have to ask the obvious here but how long can dairy farmers survive at this rate?
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Depends on volume I suppose. I talked to a friend a few weeks ago that I used to be on Michigan Milk Producers Association state resolutions committee with. He said MMPA isn't accepting any new members right now. Said haulers are waiting 8-10 hours to unload some days there is so much milk out there. Might take a while to work this one out. I'm just 4 days away from the fifth anniversary of the day my cows went down the road. The party's still going on!
Anonymous-0
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Insurance and natural disaster???????
When you sell to the sub-deviders.(quoted from post at 16:25:14 11/19/08) Just out of curiosity where is the most money to be made in farming?
Anonymous-0
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As a dairy farmer north of 49,I haven't been following the prices in the US,but if they are so depressed,why have the orders for replacement heiffers been so strong going to the US since the border re-opened?Price never lowers here with supply managment,but it doesn't seem to increase fast enough to meet the rising costs of inputs.With farm debt escalating like it has over the last 15 years,we're all in for a trip against the brick wall sooner than later if this trend continues.
Dairy Farmer in WI
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it seems to be selling cattle. mostly beef but now i think steers are down now too. you make the most money if you have 10-12 to seel it seems. don't make much on a single one...unless you are a 4-H'er selling a market animal at the local county fair...tose go good
DF in WI
DF in WI
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it all depends on the size. all the larger ones that have hundreds of cows can ususally make it well because of quantity it seams. most smaller farms make it just enough to pay bills and put food on the table...not to mention fuel prices. it works out allright if all the equipmet is paid off. most farmers wives have jobs i think, if not some of the farmers.
DF in WI
DF in WI
Anonymous-0
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I am not sure on the supply side now but with the downturn in the chinese and indian economies cutting consumption, it may get worse.
If the bottlers would cut the prices in the store, problem solved!
If the bottlers would cut the prices in the store, problem solved!
john in la
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I never could understand how Canada has so many dairy calves for sale but the U.S. has a limited supply.
But then again I can not understand this new fangle way of running a dairy where you buy springers; milk them to they drop (without rebreeding) and then replace it with another.
But then again I can not understand this new fangle way of running a dairy where you buy springers; milk them to they drop (without rebreeding) and then replace it with another.
Anonymous-0
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not the way Grandpa taught me. I never heard of that milking them until they drop, who does stuff like this?
john in la
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Not the way grand paw taught me either.
Not that I have any fact to back it up; but I have heard some of the bigger mega box dairies were experimenting with this new practice.
Really seems cruel to the animal if you ask me.
Not that I have any fact to back it up; but I have heard some of the bigger mega box dairies were experimenting with this new practice.
Really seems cruel to the animal if you ask me.
Anonymous-0
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Little different twist...
On a farm in Switzerland, the cows get daily baths and massages, hooves done, and just generally fussed over. They swear it makes the milk and meat taste better. Of course, they find people that pay outrageous prices for the produce.
Dave
On a farm in Switzerland, the cows get daily baths and massages, hooves done, and just generally fussed over. They swear it makes the milk and meat taste better. Of course, they find people that pay outrageous prices for the produce.
Dave
Rbst... We don't use it. US does. Fastest way known to man to burn a cow out, hence the need for more fresh cows.
That and probably a number of other factors lead to lower conception rates wheras they're probably more average here.
I beleive the other big factor is simply supply and demand for milk. With the fluctuations you folks have, if there's a big price, there's demand and everyone rushes to fill the whole... and buy any cow they can grab.
Our system works on leveling supply out with the intention of coming within 1% of meeting the domestic market. Production tends to be much more planned here in that respect and needs for replacements are more predictable... and if there's extra's, and a price for them, they're on the truck southbound and down.
Rod
That and probably a number of other factors lead to lower conception rates wheras they're probably more average here.
I beleive the other big factor is simply supply and demand for milk. With the fluctuations you folks have, if there's a big price, there's demand and everyone rushes to fill the whole... and buy any cow they can grab.
Our system works on leveling supply out with the intention of coming within 1% of meeting the domestic market. Production tends to be much more planned here in that respect and needs for replacements are more predictable... and if there's extra's, and a price for them, they're on the truck southbound and down.
Rod
Buy'n goat ground in a large track with mineral rights. Then find'n a 10' seam of coal about post hole deep.
Maybe when it's fit to farm again in 30 years, buy cows and get your grandkids to take care of'm.
Best thing I know of thats legal.
Back in the summer I woulda said buy some ground you could sink some 80 barrel a day wells on about 600' deep, but the rigs have been slow'n down bet round here the last few months.
Dave
Maybe when it's fit to farm again in 30 years, buy cows and get your grandkids to take care of'm.
Best thing I know of thats legal.
Back in the summer I woulda said buy some ground you could sink some 80 barrel a day wells on about 600' deep, but the rigs have been slow'n down bet round here the last few months.
Dave
Anonymous-0
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not too bright either. It is not farming to them though, just business...
Ah BS.Rbst... We don't use it. US does. Fastest way known to man to burn a cow out,
If it is managed correctly bst is not a big burnout factor. In fact bst will prolong the useable lifespan of cows by allowing them to produce at economical levels and be kept in the herd even if for some reason they are not able to be bred back.
Anonymous-0
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Last time I checked, farming was a business....
It always has been and always will be business if you intend to survive and turn a profit. My highschool ag teacher gave me some advice 25 years ago that has served me well, every 5 years the bottom 20 percent will go out of farming. If you arent committed to staying on top in 25 years your turn at the bottom will come. I've tried to follow that over the years, study the markets, manage, keep records, cut costs, increase production. So far its worked. Amazingly enough, Im back with a similar product to where I started production-wise. But, had I stayed with it for the last 25 years I would have gone under in the 90's.
No lack of replacement demand. Because farming is a business. And animals do wear out, get sick, fail to breedback. Farms run parlors and expand. Plenty of reasons.
It doesn't make sense to keep cows that are unproductive and with todays tight margins it doesn't take much to become unproductive.
It doesn't make sense to keep cows that are unproductive and with todays tight margins it doesn't take much to become unproductive.
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