Tractor shopping

IaGary · Oct 22, 2008

Allan you ready to go shopping for me again.

My poor old 560 is getting real tired. The hydraulics will barly lift my 10" 60 foot auger, the PTO is on the verge of slipping and will if overloaded, the engine is using a quart to 4 hours of running and starting to clatter. Don't know if I want to fix it up or get a replacement.

Allan whats up your way these days? Would like to find a 666 diesel but others may do. I put about 100 hours a year on the 560 on the auger and haybine.

Or what you guys think, should I rebuild the old 560? I like being able to start, run the trottle and start the pto from the ground.

Wish it was a diesel and I would rebuild it for sure.

Gary

Allan in NE · Oct 22, 2008

I'll go look for ya Gary. Might be something here floating about.

Allan

rustyfarmall · Oct 22, 2008

If you rebuild what you have, you will know what you have when you're done, and 100 hours per year won't make a lot of differance whether it is diesel or gas. Just my opinion.

Fordfarmer · Oct 22, 2008

Since I 'bleed blue'... I'd say trade that thing off, get a Ford and use half as much fuel! Even if you have to stay red, I'd say trade up to a diesel. More torque, lower fuel consumtion. Many Fords can be worked from the ground like you mention. (How many h.p. is that? I have a good Ford 5000 diesel I need to sell.)

IaGary · Oct 22, 2008

Yup Rusty that's what sticks in the back of my mind also. Knowing what you have.

I would like a diesel from the maintenance stand point more than the economy. This 560 is always needing points or plugs or something. I have rookies helping unload and they have trouble with the choke and so on also.

I am not a engine machanic and would hire it done so it would not be cheap to overhaul either.

I don't know what I want to do.

Gary

IaGary · Oct 22, 2008

Oh there is some blue on this farm.

A 560 is about 50hp or so.

Where you at?

Send me an email and tell me about your Ford.

Bill in IL · Oct 22, 2008

Its going to cost you a lot either way to rebuild or upgrade and the clutch may be bad in the new one too. Tractor cosmetically looks great so it would be worth rebuilding in my book. You will know you have a good tractor in the end.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

Gary, I have this really nice 460, I was looking to get $3900. I can take your old one as a trade in.

bradley martin · Oct 22, 2008

If it was me, Gary, I would be looking for a diesel....as you say...a lot less maintenance and a bit of savings on fuel. That being said, if the old girl has some sentimental value, the equation might change. I have noticed lately in the ads on here (and other websites) recently rebuilt tractors of the late '60s, early 70"s selling for less than the cost of an overhaul.

Fordfarmer · Oct 22, 2008

Email sent... but in case my attempt at putting a link in it doesn't work, I'll try that here, too.
5000 r.c.

dhermesc · Oct 22, 2008

I would agree with Rusty. Or for that matter for 100 hours a year (a quart of oil every two weeks) I'd forget about the engine and rebuild the PTO and run it another 10 years.

Don-Wi · Oct 22, 2008

I guess it all relies on the sentimental value of the tractor to rebuilt or not. For the points/condensors, etc... I would install a Pertronix elctronic ignition kit and throw away those points.

I installed a kit in my 1600, and I've had no problems with it since then. It only sees about 50-80 hoursa year right now. Mainly because it's a gasser and we really don't have to have it, but it's a family tractor. We use it in the spring for planting, and we run it on the blower. It sees a few chores very now & then, and goes on the manure spreader once in a while when the 285 is doing other stuff, like hay.

Donovan from Wisconsin

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

I THINK IT IS A NORTH VRS SOUTH THING AND I KNOW THIS IS A VERY CONSERVATIVE BOARD BUT IN THESE PARTS EVEN THE PART TIMERS WOUN, USE THE TRACTORS YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW THE 460 AND OLDER IH ARE GOOD TRACTORS BUT IF WE GET SOMETHING MORE THAN 10 YEARS OLD IN JUST CAN,T GET BIDS ON THEM. IF IT DOES NOT HAVE A FACTOR ROPS AND IS OLDER THAN 10 15 YEARS PRICE IS LIMITED TO 4 5 GRAND OR LESS.. I SEE M FARMALS ON HERE ALL THE TIME FOR 2 -3 GRAND AROUND HERE IF IT HAS NEW TIRES AND RUNS PERFECT IT MIGHT BRING $ 900 TO A THOUSAND. ARE USED TRACTORS JUST THAT MUCH MORE IN DEMAND UP NORTH..?

JDemaris · Oct 22, 2008

That looks like a pretty nice tractor - at least the sheetmetal. If I were in that situation, I'd keep it AND buy another. But, I'm no businessman.

I used to hate gas tractors - but recently, find they come in handy now-and-then. Good cold weather machines - and with recent fuel price disparities - who knows? Last I read, all farm diesel will be ultra-low soon and thus carry a higher price tag with less BTUs of work-energy.

A woman a few miles from me is on her 10th year now of basically running a certified organic vegetable, beef, and dairy farm. She uses all 1960s- 1970s Farmals and IHs which is kind of unusual. Even has a farmhand there that is a prior IH tractor mechanic. And, she keeps on buying tractors and does not buy cheap.

As to low maintainence on a diesel versus gas? Never seemed that way to me. A gas engine has many parts out in the open that anybody can work on. Carb, distributor or mag, spark plugs, etc. Diesel puts all those systems in one or two containers and many will people can NOT work on them. Injection pump is your distributor/mag and carb/fuel pump all in one container with much of the repair info, more-or-less, kept secret. I don't call that simple, I call it expensive unless you can do it yourself.

keh · Oct 22, 2008

Gary,
Don't you need one gas tractor around for that cold weather? I don't know about the hydraulic set up of that tractor, but I would worry about expensive repairs on it as well as the engine. I'm probably going to have to do engine work on a diesel, oil pressure takes too long to build up.

KEH

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

You could turn that into a nice 584 or 684 International.

Vernon in Ks · Oct 22, 2008

Gary, It may be a ways to travel but I know of a 806 gas with 1700 hrs selling this weekend in Augusta,ks. Korte auctions consignment.
It's a sharp looking tractor.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

I don't think it's a matter of more demand (except in WI where there are more small farmers than anywhere else) its more a matter of quality. On average southern tractors tend to be heavily abused. Big farms in the south hire a lot of questionable labor. If they don't own it they don't care about it. On average if you climb into a cab of a northern tractor there will be dust but you won't see the chicken bones, beer/soda cans, and cigarette butts that you'll find in the cab of a southern tractor. Also the majority of northern tractors will still have the windows still intact. Northern tractors are also more likely to be shedded protecting them from the elements.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

I think you should ship it out to Allan for a couple months. He'd have her in great shape in no time.
Jerry

RAW in IA · Oct 22, 2008

JD dealer up this way has a IH 584 listed in his ad. Don't know if a utility type would interest you.

IaGary · Oct 22, 2008

Don't think the engine is gonna make another year. Getting awfully rattlely. Can't have a $1000 tractor holding up a $150,000 combining operation.

And when we are combining corn she goes thru about 2 quarts a day. It runs 6 to 8 hours a day for 10 days or so.

Gary

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

Why fix it? According to our experts in government offices that machine won't pass emissions and everything is so peachy you should just go buy a brand spanking new one or 3 or 4 right lol.

Mark · Oct 22, 2008

A friend of mine told me today he was thinking of selling his damned fine 666 diesel (trike). I'll tell him to come here looking for you.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 22, 2008

gary that sure is a good looking tractor

Kelly C · Oct 23, 2008

Hey, Why not rebuild her as long as you have a job for it.
$700 for engine kit. $250 for a crank grind. $400 for a valve job. $250 for the pto. $450 for the hydralic pump. Then you get another 20 years out of her.
Not like you are asking her to plow up 1000 acres. Just run a little auger action and some light work around the farm.

NawlensGator · Oct 23, 2008

I'd put $3,000 in it and make it like new.

farmer101IL · Oct 23, 2008

(quoted from post at 15:59:52 10/22/08) Don't think the engine is gonna make another year. Getting awfully rattlely. Can't have a $1000 tractor holding up a $150,000 combining operation.

And when we are combining corn she goes thru about 2 quarts a day. It runs 6 to 8 hours a day for 10 days or so.

Gary

Did you say a 1000 dollar tractor? I'll give ya a thousand for it right now. LOL Maybe auction it off right here on this board. I'll open at a thousand. Do i hear 1500????? Come on guys lets help out our fellow farmer, we don't want this 150,000 dollar operation going down the tubes. 1500?????
Do i hear 1500???

LOL

Take Care
Farmer

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