Argh!! Building permits!

Dave from MN · Oct 13, 2008

Wanted to build an addition to my little 10"x12" three sided shelter for the cattle. I went from 4 small steers and 6 cows (which the 10x12 wasnt even big enough), to now having (4) 1000# steers, (7) beef cows, and (6) 500# calves, and a bull for a week or two yet. I was gonna add on to the little shelter but they want a $100 permit fee and the figured it would be 3 weeks to get over here and look at my "site". Darn it, cold is coming, Menards has a great sale on wood, and harvest is just around the next sunrise. I want to get it done. So, since 10"x12" is the biggest I can go with out a permit- I bought the wood to build 2 more 10x 12" pole building right next to the one I already have. I"ll space them apart so they are not touching and I will be fine. Hope to be able to knock one out each day. Them calves were awful jealous of the 4 steers sitting nice and dry in there shelter today.

tg in VA · Oct 13, 2008

In Southside VA you can build a pole building on your farm without having to get a building permit. I'm getting ready to build pole building #5 with no permit.

cadet trooper · Oct 13, 2008

Hi Dave, how you doing? I'm with you this is getting to be sore subject around here too! This has all been caused by some of those little wantabe city farmers wanting to raise their own meat throwing up a couple sheets of tin and making a trash dump. My question is it a county township or city issue? Around here if you don't put down a concrete slab you're ok keep it on skids and you can do what you want. It's really all about the money, I want to build a nice outbuilding 30X60 on a slab county wants stamped prints and $600 for permits neihbor is a plumber with his dad on the zoning board and the county plumbers association no permits and built a monster building which I think sticks out like a sore thumb in our housing addition no problem what's up with that? Good Luck Dave I feel your pain.

tinyy · Oct 13, 2008

You think thats bad I added on to my house and had to go to the township to get a permit to get my building permit.

Dave from MN · Oct 13, 2008

And if you lived in an association you'd probably have to apply for a conditional permit prior to even considering going to the township to get a permit to get a building permit. It is pretty bad. I know they also want to mandate residential building codes for farm building in this area. This county sure wants to drive the farmers out.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2008

Just build 'em side by side like you said then down the road when they've forgot about it add the piece of tin to make 'em one.
In NY in an ag district you can be made to get a permit but it is cheap and no hassle. They give you a form to draw the foot print with the setbacks and you're good. You can't crowd the road or the neighbors. They mainly want to know what you're putting up for the tax assesor records

Spook · Oct 13, 2008

No building permit for a ag building here. Do need a land use permit, which was $20.

kyplowboy · Oct 13, 2008

Every few years some one in our county gets on a soap box about how we need this law or that law. It never takes some one very long to knock their butt off the soap box. Every month the county news paper reports on the fiscal court meeting. About a year ago one of our county magistrates said he felt that we should look into zone'n laws. I picked up the phone to call him. Could not get through for 3 days!!!! When I did he sounded like a beat kid. As long as the county sticks together like that I have hope we can keep it the land of the free.

Good luck. I am sure you'll get round'm some how.

Dave

souNdguy · Oct 13, 2008

Gotta love permits.

Luckilly.. ag structures don't need em where I live.

soundguy

cb in wisc · Oct 13, 2008

My father in law was reported by the trash collectors in his area when he changed out his water heater. He had to pay a fee and get a building permit to change out his heater.

Ray · Oct 13, 2008

Maybe there is somethng good about ohio,we don't need a building permit for an ag building.

kyplowboy · Oct 13, 2008

There is a pretty strong black market here for water heaters. You can't buy one unless you are a licenced plumber. Not going on my rant about that, will just say it sucks.

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2008

Our county is zoned, and the "Zoning Permit" costs $25. I built a 13x26 goat shed 3-4 years ago. I used salvaged materials except for nails, screws, etc. TOTAL cost of the ENTIRE shed was $18. The "permit" to build it cost $25.....go figure....Don't have "Building Permits" or inspection YET, but I'm sure that will come. There are to many people chasing Mr. Jones for it not to....

IH2444 · Oct 13, 2008

Where I lived in FL you had to wait in line for an hour or so and get a $50 (i think it was) permit just to change an outside faucet on your house.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2008

We found out here that even though they say you need a permit you don't as long as you live in the county. We have a landlord that is now retired from the city police force who just built a garage. Got red tagged halfway, went downtown showed them the books and where it specifically states there are no required permits for the county, they told him to hush and leave now! We built a pole barn and were putting the trusses up when the inspector stopped. Asked if we had a permit. I told him I heard we didn't need one. He started chatting it up about old time farming and such and finally left. Just a way of makin a quick $50 for the county.

Bob · Oct 13, 2008

That's hard to believe!

Here in North Dakota, WAY up north, near the Canuckadian border, we can't even build a large doghouse on our own farmland in the middle of NOWHERE without a building permit... often the nearest neighbor is 2, 4, or 6 miles away or even more, with more places becoming vacant all the time!

Lee in Iowa · Oct 13, 2008

Could you build them on skids and get around the law by making them portable. I think you can do that many places. Easier to clean that way too. Lee

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2008

No permits here.
If out of the city.
No township gov ether. The borough is bigger than Road Island.
I can see it comeing down the road. Gov. is money hungry where ever you live.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 13, 2008

In the part of Germany where I live, you you can build a building (without a foundation/slab up to 75 cubic meters without a permit or hassle. It has to be at least 3 meters from the border if there is a neighboring set of buildings. The key here is portable shelters. One guy built a nice stall, anchored it to concrete piers at ground level and has two wheels and a piece of hanging on the back side along with a picture of the thing being built and the "axle" under it.

paul · Oct 14, 2008

With more than 10 animal units, you also need a livestock permit now. I'm not kidding.

Welcome to Minnesota.

--->Paul

Anonymous-0 · Oct 14, 2008

Cost less to comply with the law every time.

Anonymous-0 · Oct 14, 2008

Varies count to county in TN up close to the up to ups arond Nashville and large cites some zoning and permits. In the more rural areas build
anything you want with no permits.. Gota Love it.
Low taxs , good people what a way to live those
darn Yankees just keep comming and bringing bags full of money. Lately have seen a lot of Califorinas retiring here. Kinda goes in cycles.
Reall is good for bussiness, they buy a min farm ( you know 7 -10 acres) and somebody has told them they need a tractor. Not that they know what they are going to do with a tractor they just need one. We just show them the value of owning a KUBOTA and take their money. Great world

souNdguy · Oct 14, 2008

Yep.. as long as no water or electric are installed, you can build 'pole' barns, and semi-enclosed horse barns with no permits in land with an 'A' Ag classification.. IE.. A-1.

I had a horse barn built right alongside a 2-car detached garage in my back pasture.. both went up at the same time.. different contractors.. only one contractor had to pull a permit.. the one for the garage.

I build tin-roofed shade structures ( usually 8x8 ) in my pasture all the time... no issues... but then.. florida is one of the more ag friendly states.. don't even need a business license for a farm to sell produce that came off the farm itself..

soundguy

CJ3b_jeep · Oct 14, 2008

What part of Ohio? I have six acres here, not a lot by most standards, but a lot for around here, and I had to go through a zoning committee to build my pole barn for tractor storage last year.

james rumph · Oct 14, 2008

I have to chime in on this one . "Why" on earth would you ever go for a permit in the first place on something like this ???

All a permit does is give them the wright to come out and look your place over to re accesss it and you end up paying more taxes .

Grant you it is important to pull them on big projects to make sure things are to code and safe.
I was told by a contractor here in Michigan that you are "not" required to pull a permit until you hire a contractor and wireing and plumbing are involved. It was something like that , i don't remember how he said it.

So what he was saying was if you can do it your self , have at it .

Sorry in advance if this sounds like a rant or a shoot at someone but around here inspectors are a problem.

My dad repaced a water heater just like everyone else and put it to the curb for trash pickup, guess what !!!!!

Dam inspector saw and wanted to see his permit.
Well that guy got a prompt F---- off from dad and nothing ever came of it.

Sorry i'm still ranting..

I'm just sick of people wanting money or telling me what i can do at my own place.

DONE.....

Walt Davies · Oct 14, 2008

Here in Oregon you can build a barn without a permit, but in Polk county they went one better you have to get a permit showing that you don't need a
permit.
One of these I'm going to test that one, build my barn and when they take me to court I will show them the state law which should override any local laws.
Walt

bison · Oct 14, 2008

I build everything without permit.House,barn,corrals and all electrical and gas lines.
the property tax assesor asked for my permits,i said i had no problem building it without them.
If you think I need them then give them to me. Otherwise just tax me and F off.
i never heard an other thing about it

tlak · Oct 14, 2008

Are you in the juristiction of a large city or is this through out KY? Isn't it as simple as jumping across a border, no where in KY too far from a border? Might be good info to store away for the future. tlak-KY

cadet trooper · Oct 14, 2008

Coupe36 I don't think the cost of the permit is not quite the issue as they want to see documentation as to what is on your property so they can assess the proper tax on your property. I know what happened to me I built a fairly large house 9 years ago and paid $600 for a permit and had to submit one of my $8000 certified prints to the county and after all that got an occupancy permit. Last year had a note on my door when I got home that was left by the county auditor that said we need to know how many bathrooms are in your house so I wrote back and said that I spent $600 for a permit filed with the county and it was built to print so you can walse your lazy Butt in there and find out for yourself, never heard another word.

tlak · Oct 14, 2008

(quoted from post at 16:55:33 10/14/08) Are you in the juristiction of a large city or is this through out KY? Isn't it as simple as jumping across a border, no where in KY too far from a border? Might be good info to store away for the future. tlak-KY

Question for kyplowboy

Anonymous-0 · Oct 15, 2008

Ive seen water heaters installed without a safety valve and some with the valve in the cold water line.Inspection laws are there to protect people from stupid mistakes.Setbacks from side boundries are for fire protection.Hope your neighbor knows what hes doing when he puts in that new wood stove.Plus hope he has an inspection before he fires it up.35 years on our vol. fire dept let me see what happens when stupid people do sloppy work.

kyplowboy · Oct 15, 2008

I had noticed most of the stores in Henderson that had carried them had stoped. Buddy of mine was needing a new one so off we went one Saturday morning. There were two places in town that sold them. Lowes and the home town place would not sell us a hot water heater because we were not licenced plumbers. Went to Evansville. There he just had to sign a paper saying he would have inspected and not take lowes to court if we blew somthing up. I do not know about the rest of the state.

Dave

JML755 · Oct 15, 2008

James Rumph,
" I was told by a contractor here in Michigan that you are "not" required to pull a permit until you hire a contractor and wireing and plumbing are involved. It was something like that , i don't remember how he said it."

Permits are one of my pet peeves also. But check out Section 125.1510 of Michigan Public Act 230 (on legislature website). State law clearly requires a building permit. I think it used to be a local requirement but this law made it statewide.

36 Coupe makes a good point about inspections, though. I did an addition on my house and the electrical inspector cautioned that a few of the wire staples were nailed a little too tight and could have crushed the internal insulation on the Romex. I kind of blew it off but sure enough, a little while later, I had one circuit go out and found a burnt area at a staple. Cut the section out and found the internal conductor insulation on the hot wire broken and melted. Same thing could probably happen if you miss the staple and hit the wire with a hammer. Always careful now with hammers around wiring.

dave guest · Oct 15, 2008

In Mich, I could take you to several nice buildings that were never occupied. Want to know why? No proper permits were issued. Permits are the bread and butter of inspectors, they either get half or something like that for their pay. I don't like all of them but some can point out future problems. And no matter what, SAFETY first.

dave guest · Oct 15, 2008

p.s. Also in Mich. insurance companies dictate many building codes. They rely on inspections for complaince. I did electrical for years and almost any redo was because of an insurance company that said my way or the highway, meaning no comply, no insurance. True

motorv8N · Oct 15, 2008

It gets better.

A guy a work told me he was invited down to the local township office to explain the difference between two satellite maps of his property. The one taken last year showed nothing in the back forty. The one taken this year showed a roofed outbuilding. They were interested because they know there were no permits issued on that property in the last year...

Apparently there's software that will put two satellite plots together and show you the differences. Not as big a deal as it sounds to plot the township and compare from year to year...

So build under the trees boys!

charles todd · Dec 24, 2008

In Louisiana after the 2005 hurricanes (Katrina and Rita) future new construction guidelines are much more strengient. They hired independent inspectors and charge like $3500 for a permit alone. The inspector in our area covers multiple Parishes (Counties) and makes a KILLING! The part I disagree with is that I am in North LA, about 90 miles from Arkansas. The Gulf is +200 miles south of me. But the permit for hurricane resistant structures are for the entire state, not just the "Wind Zone III", which covers the I-10 corridor, south. Just another way for the State Government to capitolize on the people.

Charles

dittmerku · Dec 24, 2008

My brother lives in town and remodeled his kitchen and bathroom. He put all the old cabinets and stuff out in the trash. Sure enough, a building inspector came buy. My brother told the inspector that those cabinets were old ones from his basement. The inspector demanded to inspect the place. My brother told him he could inspect his house when he got a warrant! Slammed the door in the mans face! Little known by most people, an inspector can't just come inside your house; illegal searches are forbidden. If the inspector thinks he has probable cause, he needs to get a judge to sign a warrant to inspect the place. Inspector never did get the warrant and my brother never heard from him again!
Another little known fact: a lot of these towns demand to inspect your house before you sell to make sure everything is up to snuff- again, can't do it without either your permission or a warrant! BTDT!

Argh!! Building permits!

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