I'd like to know this also !

Jim H. SW-PA · Jul 18, 2008

This is in line with the first post of I'd like to Know.

This is a farmland area all around me. A local farmer lent his neighbor a wagon to haul hay to his place for the "neighbors"horses the neighbor has 10 acres of mostly non tillable land.

In the process of one of his trips, he was picked up and fined for no lights or brakes on towed vehicle' by the township police.

This was taken to the magistrate, and the neighbor lost because he doesn't make a living from his farm.

I don't think this was fair, but the local police and the local magistrate work very close to one another, and this man has been hauling his own hay for several years

I have to agree with the first postings that the wagon is an implement of husbandry and it's not unlawful to have on the road without lights or brakes, as long it is used in the daylight hours, all it needs is a slow moving triangle on the back.

Any police out there are welcome to set me straight. Just give me the figures and chapter of what code this is in.[In the Pa law books] WE want to see it !!

Dan-IA · Jul 18, 2008

I cant speak for PA but in IA Dad taught me that as long as its in daylight hours and within 50 miles of home, because I'm a farmer I am exempt from virtually all laws and crimes except for vehicle accidents, theft, rape, murder, and treason. It took me many many years to realize with freedom comes responsibility and as a farmer I have arguably more to worry about than a 9-5 worker on the 40-40 plan.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

So tell mw what do the AMISH do in your part of the World --- they have no lights or brakes ...

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

Had a guy picked up here last year. He was ticketed for not having his hay rack licensed. They told him that it was OK if he was pulling it with a tractor but, since he was pulling it with his pickup, it needed to be licensed.....

Can you say "money grab"?

pdz180 · Jul 19, 2008

http://www.pfb.com/news/Brochures/07-farmvehicle.pdf

Scroll down half way and it talks about implements.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

Thats no money grab as a wagon should be pulled with a tractor as thats what they make trailers for if using a pick-up. Just love to see week-end farmers pulling a wagon down the road with the wagon weaving side to side no lites or smv sign just waiting for accident and big ticket. Some dummy was pulling hayrack with bales on no straps ect down I-35 north of DES MOINES IA with pickup should have seen his fine.

kyplowboy · Jul 19, 2008

The amish around here have started use'n the little battery powered flashing yellow lights.

The one I have talked too say they cut down on the sound of slide'n tires behind them.

Dave

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

You can tell them --- that's against their religion using modern devices -- and their god won't like them for that !!!

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

Yeah, driving down the Interstate is one thing but, when you've been a farmer for 50 years and you are the third guy in a caravan doing about 5 mph (the other two were pulling with tractors...), and you are going about 2 miles, then it's a money grab. The guy wasn't weaving. His only sin was having it hitched to a pickup.

Don-Wi · Jul 19, 2008

I find that quite offensive. I would be what most consider to be a weekend farmer, and yes we pull hay wagons with our truck all the time. NOt because we don't have a tractor to do it with, but because the truck is a little more comfortable if we need to haul it 20 miles.

We farm dairy and farm about 70 acres, but we still need to buy a lot of hay each year. We buy hay from several sources, some being 30 + miles away. I don't know about you, but I'm not spending an hour driving one way empty to get a load of hay. Espescially when it's 20 degrees out and all of our tractors are open station.

If a guy is pulling a wagon down the interstate, that's one thing. Just don't go calling the rest of us idiots for hauling with trucks because the truck is the single most important "tractor" on most farms. It's what farmers use to haul loads with, and get supplies.

Without a truck, most farmers would be screwed.

Donovan from Wisconsin

Don-Wi · Jul 19, 2008

I also forgot to add- We've got a set of magnetic lights that we ussually put on the back of the wagons, so when we use the truck we've got brakes and turn signals on the wagon. With a tractor, we've only got the SMV sign.

Donovan from Wisconsin

dwrk · Jul 19, 2008

Heh heh. My Amish helper was just telling me about his three young cousins trying to get into the US from Canada. None of them had enough ID so they went and got their Canadian passports, two at one office, one at another one. THe first two got their passports without pictures easily enough, the other office wouldn't do it without a picture so eventually the young guy gave in and got his picture taken for his passport.

They went to the border together, the US officials wouldn't let the third guy through because he had his picture taken, they decided since he wasn't supposed to have his picture taken he was trying to pull a fast one.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

Yup ---- there taught that if any one takes their Picture -- their god won't Like them cause that's some kind of sin having their picture taken and they will go to H*ll --- now an't that sumpt'n ----
these man made religions will get you into trouble with out even trying ...

Jim H. SW-PA · Jul 19, 2008

I agree with you 100% Gene on the Interstate issue That guy was way out of bounds,As far as "weaving wagons I have seen them pulling pretty true With a little preventive maintenance so the steering Is not sloppy. These wagons now have automotive steering rather than the old buck board style.

As far as using a truck to pull it ? I think This is one of the intentions, of having one A lot of people buy one to have a truck to look at or get groceries, but it is more profitable to use it as it was intended. This includes working it in any reasonable job that the size of the truck can handle safetly

John S-B · Jul 19, 2008

So which man made religion do you belong to?

john in la · Jul 19, 2008

Dachshund:
While it may be a money grab; and while you and I may not agree with it; the law is the law. We all need to follow them no matter if we like them or not.

Most states allow wagons on tractors with out a license but a trailer being pulled by a truck is a differant matter.
I can also understand that a truck may be a better choice than a tractor on a cold winter day but really; how much trouble is it to get a trailer license.

john in la · Jul 19, 2008

While it may not sound right farm exemptions only apply to the farm owner and sometimes his workers.

Same thing applys to trucks with farm tags; CDL license requirments; in fact any thing to do with a farm.

Bottom line the farm; the equiptment being used; and the operator must all be the same person. The only way around this is farm employees.
Now if the guy had said he was a farm employee hauling hay to the farm he would have gotton off as long as the farmer would have backed up the story.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

I don't belong to any man made religion -- the Bible says I am Free --- man made religions put you under bondage -- I follow the Bible and no man made religion -- that's the key to freedom --
thanks for asking though ...

Anonymous-0 · Jul 19, 2008

Just remember you are responsible for you deeds and lots of luck when the DOT finds you have fun paying the fine.

John S-B · Jul 20, 2008

I wuz being a little sarcastic, I don't think you understand the Amish completely. It's not so much that God hates them having their picture taken, it's that they are trying to avoid MAN'S vanity and greed. Not that they or any other Christian denomination are perfect. Sometimes I wish I was a little more Amish, with a little more faith and a lot less technology to break and try my patience.

robersw · Jul 20, 2008

[size=9:49c92c2d28]From Gene Bender "Thats no money grab as a wagon should be pulled with a tractor as thats what they make trailers for if using a pick-up. Just love to see week-end farmers pulling a wagon down the road with the wagon weaving side to side no lites or smv sign just waiting for accident and big ticket."[/size:49c92c2d28]

That has got to be one of the most uninformed statements I have read lately. Gravity wagons are still a fairly common method for smaller farmers to haul off their grain, atleast in these parts. Also, I couldn't tell you the number of old cotton wagons that are now used for hauling hay on around these parts either.
Wagons, were intended, and are still used for hauling heavy loads. One of their main benefits is the ease of being unhooked from the truck, tractor, horse, or whatever might be pulling it without having to be unloaded or supported.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 21, 2008

Thanks for your explaining -- Actually If you talk to Different Amish Folks in Different parts of the Land -- You will get a Different Explanations of why they don't want their picture taken -- that religion is the Most Confusing Cult I know up front..

They cannot own or use a Telephone --- But some have a phone installed in their neighbors barn and pay the bill..

IF you want to try and understand that religion -- it's like you say --- be one -- and then it's what ever their Biship says -- Goes..

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