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Walt Davies

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I sold 3 ton of nice hay to this guy this morning he came out and looked it over then went back and gave me check for it. then an hour later he wants his money back because his low slung hitch drug on the road going in to get the hay.
I told him the get another truck or higher hitch, he said he already made a deal for some hay from another guy. Tough I said you bought it its your problem as to how to get it out of the field.
all this before Noon and I took the time to go out and help a friend get started mowing his hay.
What is it with you horse people you think that hay people are here please your every little whim.
I get people who call and they like what I say then go else where and buy worse stuff for more. I guess you just have to tell a big lie it doesn't have even one little weed or a grain of dirt in it.
One person wanted Orchard grass said she told that Fescue was bad for horses.
Another wanted Fescue said her horses would eat the Bent grass I said my horse lives in the field all year long and he is doing just fine on it.
Boy I give up I'm selling to cattle people they could care less what it is as long as its cheap.
Walt
 
i feel your pain. I ended my month-long squabbel today with that stupid mower. Went down there and said i was here for it, and asked if now was a good time. They said yes. The tractor worked. Atleast. More on this when i post pictures soon. That being said, i work for some very nice horse people.Most are good with the bad apples, like neighbors, tractor folk, and the rest of life.
 
Walt its not horse people its people in general now days. These yuppie from the city think there should be no mud and paved road even in your field so they don't get there trucks dirty etc. So please don't insult horse people theres lots of them that are real nice people. I have horses and I know what real hay life is but most people now days move from the city and buy some land and think it should be like the city
Hobby farm
 
Understand completely, dated a girl who had a $10000 barrel and show horse, damn horse was more important than me and got lots more attention, seems 80% of thase kind are a pain, though as always few are good and nice people, my 2 cents
 
I only sell it if they pay before it`s cut they can look at it standing if they want . Everyone will take 200 bale till you call them and tell them it`s ready to bale , your baling in two days then the story changes , they dont have the money or only want 30. money up front or I roll it up .
 
me too quite often....and I'm one of 'em, and deal with 'em all day long.

Some people just go outta their way to prove to ya that they are no damn good, regardless of what their hobbies or livelihoods are.
 
I used to raise hay and sell to horse people. I don't any more. Bad check, rejected hay. Can't pay the rent that way.

Gerald J.
 
Like old said, your problem is due to a lack of respect from people in general and it is not mutually exclusive to "horse" people.............
 
hey walt, sounds like you need a hug or someone to listen to you whine. I'm one of those horse people your gripping about. No i dont cry if my hitch drags but i'll sure tell you if your hay is crap. i love people like you that put all people of one kind into one category, guess you "farmers" are all same according to your outlook. Oh.. by the way you might want to sell "your" horse so your not like the rest of us.
 
I am not a horse owner (definatially not bcause i dont want to be a "horse person"-i just dont have any horses) but i think we can all recognise "anti horse" is a troll and we should just ignore him
 
And i know we have alot of good horse people here. Old and DickL off the top of my head. Who else???
 
So what is your claim to fame and what do you have to offer in support of that statement ?, it's shallow and narrow minded, care to enlighten us how it applies across the board to those with horses that buy hay ?

No, I'm not looking for a silly argument either, not living in the dark ages here, some of the people are less than desirable, some I say, not all.

I realize the equine world has some eccentric and arrogance surrounding it, but you are dealing with individuals here. You have to realize that these are just individuals, not all, also realize that some of these people also put up their own hay, we used to do a few thousand or more, another horse farm nearby still does 6000 bales themselves, and many of the large farms would rival hay quantities that dairy farms would put up years ago. There are valid reasons for hay quality, when it comes to horses, some people really go overboard on that, also some think you can haul 100 bales on the trunk lid of a compact car. There might be a percentage of bad hay customers within the horse industry, but having been around it all these years, a statement like that is not true and cannot be substantiated to apply to every equine business in this country, there are plenty of good reasonable people that will make decent customers. Also, consider what would happen if that industry went bust, what does that do to the hay market ? Reduces it.

You need to have a cooperative agreement between the customer and the hay supplier, weed out the idiots and deal with the decent repeat customers as much as you can, those that know what you have in the field and understand the proces to get it in, weather, fuel and equipment included. We deal with several people on hay, and don't have much trouble for the most part, though I've had some isolated problems with bad bales and a batch of wet bales once from a supplier who thought swale grass and weeds, baled into 80 lb hard bricks was good hay. He sent me 26 wet bales mixed in with 200 that almost went into the stack, would have burned if I did not detect them, thankfully I was there to unload this one. That really p$ssed me off, they were hot and on the way, had to get rid of him, his fields were crap and his attitude matched, former dairyman too. So can I say hay people suk ????? No, just find a better seller, or go back to putting up our own, like anything else in life, just move on when necessary.
 
Yep,I don't care what that hay looks like for some old dry brood cows. Anythings better'n cornstalks and snowballs.
 
Walt, most of my customers are horse owners. I have about 10 or so that have been with me for the last 6 years. Some buy round bales, some square. Decent people all. I also sell to cow owners. My steady customers are all good people. On the other hand, I've been through about 100-150 others in the same period of time (cow, goat and horse owners) that were pure stinkers! It's not the breed of the animal you own that makes you good or bad. It's the kind of person you are and how you treat other people.
Though I understand your frustration, I try not to let it bother me when I run into the occassional jerk. I just tell them they are welcome to go on down the road. Maybe someone elses hay would be better suited for them. Hope your day gets better!
 
real ' horse people' wouldnt do you like that, by 'real horse people' i mean western people who have been owning and riding horses since they were big enough to get on one, most of these people use their horses either in ranch work or competition rodeo events and they reside on the owners place, the 'horsie set' is people with way more money than brains, the horses arnt 'using horses' their overbred overpriced high strung tempermental beasts that are only owned by these people because their friends have some too,the people usually match the horses in the above same ways, sounds like what you met up with, please dont assume all horse owners are obnoxious morons like this guy
 
The hay customer I really love is the one who has his/her 5 acres and horse barn and has read all the books. Now they need to know the protein content and moisture they DON'T know why but the book says its important and They would like it for EACH of the 25 !!! bales you deliver to them. I think they found some other hay seller or sold the horse.
 
Younger than me I own a horse also and he eats what I give him not what he wants. And when I buy hay from someone I go get it no matter what I don't stiff a guy just because I might get my new pretty truck dirty.
Walt
 
The guy came out saw my little ranger in the field walked into the field from the drive and said OK I'll take 3 ton. then an hour after he paid for it he doesn't want it and wants his money back, He ain't gettin it nuff said.
Walt
 
Walt, most people I sell hay to are horse people and none have even so much as complained to me about my hay. If they did I would only tell them this. If you don't like it then don't buy it from me. So far most have had the problem that there horses eat my hay to fast so in 3-5 days they have to come and get another bale from me. Nice thing about my hay is it has a very big mix of grass and clover so theres something in each bale for all kinds of animals no matter if there cows, goats, or horses
Hobby farm
 
Well i didn't mean to make all horse owners in the same basket but this guy and some of the calls I got in the last week make me wonder how many of them are like him.
Every call is a new way to feed a horse and my hay no matter what i say is never good enough for them.
I have a good friend in the hay business for the last 12 or so years and they won't sell to any horse people just because of the bad ones, people that will come back a year after the sale and complain about a bale. BUMMER
Walt
 
I've fought the "real horse people" battle before on this board, and I won't be baited today.
There are just as many illegitimate hay people and tractor people as there are horse people....Walt, if you were as good a judge of character as you are of hay you wouldn't get mixed up with losers of any sort to begin with. But- it sure is harder to judge people than grass, ain't it!
 
I've felt your pain on this kind of stuff. With that said, horse people pay my bills so I'e got to keep them. I just dont need to keep all of them. My two cents, for what its worth, raise your prices, a lot. Good hay sells. I went from feeling like I needed to be the low cost seller to here's what I've got and here's what it costs. I try to split the difference between what the farm stores sell hay for and what my competitors are selling for, for what it is. If they want protein analysis, its available; same with brochures on how its grown, who I am, what my policies are (no refunds, no exceptsions), etc. Its been like night and day. I lost the problem customers, they dropped like flies; and gained a whole new more respectable class of customers. Sure the phone ring off the wall with people who are bargain shopping or say I'm too high. Everyone gets treated with respect, but when it comes to selling it is what it is. So far its working. Im 40 percent sold out of round bales and 80 percent sold out of square bales and June isnt over yet.
 
You can tell the horse guys and cattle guys apart by their trucks, the one with a 10 year old 2 wheel drive half ton raises 100 head beef. The guy with the brand new $45,000 truck has a couple horses. I know some really nice people that love raising horses, I just never understood it myself.
 
Geez!
I have always had horses.....and I raise and sell hay too......east of the Mississippi River, where does all this leave me? Hal-A$$ed bad?

:) Larry NE IL
 
I know what you mean Walt. I see them at auctions and the farm stores. 1 ton dually diesel "Laredo Edition" pickup thats never seen mud, cowboy boots, tight jeans, a belt buckle about the size of a satellite dish, a shirt with more pearl buttons and fringe than Sunset Carson wore and and a 55 gallon cowboy hat. A little out of place in Northern NY. To each their own I guess. No worse than the white suburban kids dressed up like "Fitty Cent".
 
That is enough to make you laugh, modern customer is well informed today, so informed they want published nutritional data for each bale.... ok now that's the customer you don't need.

We have one guy who drops by all the horse barns in the area, he drops off 6 or so bales, open 1 or 2 up, they are sometimes left overs from last year, you like, those are on him, you no like, you buy the 6 bales, simple as that. Now let me tell you, even some of the previous year 2nd cut is usually really nice hay, can't complain about anything he brings over, his kids would stack, and always a fair price. Having done hay, we don't try to negotiate hay prices with anyone, I think that is being a little cheap to say the least. The funny thing is, I'd like to see someone complain about the hay from this particular guy, big ole tall, corn fed strappin fellow, probably looks meaner than he ever could be, a very nice friendly person, but I'll dare you... go over and tell him his hay suks ;) Another one who just does a nice job, you don't need to see his fields to know it's good, delivers and stacks, been doing it for years, always glad to see him pull in, usually when the stack is getting low too..... I really don't know how these people make so much trouble about hay, theres always lots of other problems with horses, the help to deal with.
 
There's a building contractor I see occasionally on the road whose truck proudly advertises "Horse people building for Horse people". Guess who I won't be calling for any work.
 
From a hay growers perspective, the two good things about a horseis the head (eats the hay) and the rear end for manure and the rest they can have. Most of my customers are fine a few are a pain in the but, But thats just how peple are.
 
Has anyone realized that with gas prices going the way they are we may be going back to horses. I understand your view but people like that are everywhere and in every "field of endeavor". ha ha



Might be good, slow us down a little.
Headline:World slows down, heart ailments become non-existant!!
 
Lariat or Laredo? No way....full blown Western Hauler is what they really drive!

Honestly though- they are not ALL nimrods- I compete against some great horse people from Ny, and always enjoy the show in Syracuse ( and almost always win there, too!)
 
Fact- the state of Virginia has more "working horse" ( horses in active training) than any state but texas. And- most of them are trained English, so "western" isn't the qualifier. The qualifier for "real horse people" is integrity- and there's damn little of that in any feild any more
 
For what it's worth, here's the deal I have with my long-time hay guy, who has grown into one of my best freinds over the past several years:
I tell him what I need and pull up with the trailer- we load it together with my girls, and he lends me his elevator to get it into my loft- I pay him when it's loaded and we agree on the count- I haul it and unload it- he stands behind his hay and I stand behind my check.
I've never had a problem with his hay, and he has never had a problem with my check.
 
Well of all you folks who post here on this subject, I am the most qualified to speak. My wife is a horse person, I help her rescue old horses from a riding center for handicapped folks. She brings them here to spend money on, then I have to fire up the D-2 Cat to bury them.

Now remember I am 100% country, farm has been in the family for 100+ years and I still live on it.
I married a Kansas City girl.

And I can certify that my wife is 3/4 nuts !!!!


Gene
 
I had alot of good customers and a few bad. But most of them always were curtious. One lady use to take a pull out of each hay bale and chew it before she put it on her trailer (whatever). Sold all of my hay equipment bought a nice JD 7000 planter, plowed all the hay fields under and planted corn and beans. Should make out a little better than the hay crop and I can only grip to myself now........... I also don"t care if it gets rained on and I have more time to spend with the kid..
 
I think this same argument can be made of wood dealers.

I talked with a guy who said he guarenteed a cord of split wood. He would not stack, just dump. He would not wait for me to stack, nor balance the difference either in product or cash if it came up short... Said, how do I know you (meaning me) would stack it out of sight.

I finished the conversation by saying, "I guess we have two honest people who can not trust each other."

I have yet to see a full cord of wood I have not cut and stack myself.
 
You best keep your saw sharp.
Nobody in the wood business is going to stack your wood for you, or wait for you to stack it, or adjust it to suit you or even bother dealing with you if you're too picky.
'Here', wood is measured in 8' lengths. Measure is given on that basis, or if you want something close to a full cord an approximation of that canbe made and an appropriate price given.
Some common sense would suggest that nobody moving wood as a business is going to handle it split just to measure it nor would anyone in the wood business think that any given pile of wood ever be measured the same way twice. It just doesn't happen.
I don't guarntee anyone that they're getting a full cord either. They're getting an "8' cord" which is what all of our costs are based on and what is the only reliable way we have to measure wood. I don't know anyone around here that caters to your game, nor would they bother. We've got orders coming out our ears that we can't fill never mind deal with the picky ones...

Rod
 
I know just what your saying.The worst one's are the lookers.They caLL and want to look at the hay,then say So and So down the road has nicer hay.I say fine and take a good look at them,so,when they come back the price is high enough that I've wasted there time like they wasted mine.
 
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