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john in la
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[b:654c4848f0]We are not over loaded[/b:654c4848f0]
It would be nice to know how he came up with that statement.
Pretty obvious due to the fact the frame bent up rather than down that the center of gravity is too far back.
It would be nice to know how he came up with that statement.
Pretty obvious due to the fact the frame bent up rather than down that the center of gravity is too far back.
Richard G.
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Just need a couple of ratchet straps to pull it back down and drive on home.
DoubleO7
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I bet the tiedown bar brackets were welded to the frame with incorrect settings, rod, etc.
Does the factory forbid welding to the frame nowadays?
DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
4817lbs dry weight
Almost 12 feet of floor length = four feet hanging off the eight foot bed.
Blackhole49
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- White Lake MI
Probably GVW, and I'm pretty sure it isn't overloaded. While the balanced may be off (causing pizz-poor handling), no way the frame should crack. Unless it has a boat load of miles on it, wouldn't a 2020 be under warranty?
Blackhole49
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Eagle lists camper @ 4917# dry. Ram lists truck @ 7680# payload.
tractorsam
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Looks like 6+ feet of overhang towards the front.
I'd agree it's probably not overloaded, but is probably at max GVWR.
The overhang should have pretty much no effect on handling, the wheelbase is so long on these trucks that it's nearly impossible to take any notable weight off the front axle with a load hanging off the back or on a trailer hitch.
I would tend to suspect frame damage from mounting the tie downs. Pretty much every pickup for decades has used heat-treated frames and prohibits any welding on them. Drilling is also severely restricted and the upfitter guide book would have the details for that.
When I put a truck camper on my older truck I mapped out the existing frame holes in the area and fab'd my mounts to utilize those holes, so no drilling or welding.
ETA: A good inspection of the vehicle at every fuel stop would likely have detected the issue well before the total failure stage.
This post was edited by wp6529 on 12/17/2022 at 08:20 am.
The overhang should have pretty much no effect on handling, the wheelbase is so long on these trucks that it's nearly impossible to take any notable weight off the front axle with a load hanging off the back or on a trailer hitch.
I would tend to suspect frame damage from mounting the tie downs. Pretty much every pickup for decades has used heat-treated frames and prohibits any welding on them. Drilling is also severely restricted and the upfitter guide book would have the details for that.
When I put a truck camper on my older truck I mapped out the existing frame holes in the area and fab'd my mounts to utilize those holes, so no drilling or welding.
ETA: A good inspection of the vehicle at every fuel stop would likely have detected the issue well before the total failure stage.
This post was edited by wp6529 on 12/17/2022 at 08:20 am.
john in la
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[b:654c4848f0]four feet hanging off the eight foot bed[/b:654c4848f0]
So 8 feet behind the rear axle and 4 feet in front of the axle.
Then if he loaded the camper heavy in the rear he just compounded the problem.
The camper should have a sticker on it showing the center of gravity.
They build them heavy in the front to compensate for the rear overhang.
But the camper has to be matched to the truck.
You can not just buy any old truck camper and expect it to be good enough.
Im not saying the frame was not at fault.
But I am saying its pretty obvious he contributed to the problem by having the center of gravity to far back.
Could be the tie downs were added to the frame in the wrong way.
Welding and bolting into the legs of frame is not allowed.
You can only bolt into the web of the frame.
Heck with the recent news of children working in a car manufacture part supplier in Ala anything is possible.
So 8 feet behind the rear axle and 4 feet in front of the axle.
Then if he loaded the camper heavy in the rear he just compounded the problem.
The camper should have a sticker on it showing the center of gravity.
They build them heavy in the front to compensate for the rear overhang.
But the camper has to be matched to the truck.
You can not just buy any old truck camper and expect it to be good enough.
Im not saying the frame was not at fault.
But I am saying its pretty obvious he contributed to the problem by having the center of gravity to far back.
Could be the tie downs were added to the frame in the wrong way.
Welding and bolting into the legs of frame is not allowed.
You can only bolt into the web of the frame.
Heck with the recent news of children working in a car manufacture part supplier in Ala anything is possible.
john in la
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Could be 1000 dry and 10,000 payload.
Think of it as adding a brush cutter on a tractor and the front wheels coming off the ground.
So you add a front loader to keep the front end down and the tractor breaks in half.
Or think of it as a bumper pull trailer to a 5th wheel set up.
Think of it as adding a brush cutter on a tractor and the front wheels coming off the ground.
So you add a front loader to keep the front end down and the tractor breaks in half.
Or think of it as a bumper pull trailer to a 5th wheel set up.
560Dennis
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? Is triple a valid in Mexico? I know State Farm wont cover me ,I buy Mexico insurance .
john in la
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OK here we go.
Floor length 11 feet 11 inches
Center of gravity 61.5 inches.
The center of gravity should be placed between the rear axle center and the front of the rear tire.
With 18 inch tires that should be about 4 inches in front of the rear axle.
So the question now is the distance between the front of the bed to the rear axle 65.5 inches or more.
If it is not you can throw gross payload out the window.
2020 eagle cap 1165
Floor length 11 feet 11 inches
Center of gravity 61.5 inches.
The center of gravity should be placed between the rear axle center and the front of the rear tire.
With 18 inch tires that should be about 4 inches in front of the rear axle.
So the question now is the distance between the front of the bed to the rear axle 65.5 inches or more.
If it is not you can throw gross payload out the window.
2020 eagle cap 1165
DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
Isn't center of gravity assumed to be a vertical measurement?
Those specs do not say where that cog is measured from.
I wonder what he might have hanging on the front bumper?
A Goldwing?
etrailer shows every ready made tiedown as being 100% bolt on w/o any additional holes needed.
Since they are running Baja, they may have added extra water tanks under the bed too.
Bruce from Can.
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- Woodville, Ontario, Canada
Just one more reason why I like to camp in a Hilton, Marriott, Holiday Inn,etc
john in la
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COG in this case is a weight measurement.
If you set this camper on the 2 side of a 2x4 right at 61.5 inches the camper would balance on the 2x4.
Everyone that deals with big truck setup knows the 5th wheel goes right in front of the front rear axle or the rear axle in
a single axle setup.
That is because that is where the truck can best carry the weight.
Yes you can hang a hitch off the back of the frame rail such as to pull a mobile home trailer but that greatly reduces your
GVW hauling capacity.
So we know the weight should be centered right in front of the rear axle; and we know the camper manufacture has said the
center of the weight gravity is 61.5 inches. So now it is easy to take a tape measure to see if this camper fits our pickup
bed.
But we really do not know the whole story.
Like stated he could have 10 five gallon jugs of water just inside the back door of the camper throwing the weight
distribution all off.
If you set this camper on the 2 side of a 2x4 right at 61.5 inches the camper would balance on the 2x4.
Everyone that deals with big truck setup knows the 5th wheel goes right in front of the front rear axle or the rear axle in
a single axle setup.
That is because that is where the truck can best carry the weight.
Yes you can hang a hitch off the back of the frame rail such as to pull a mobile home trailer but that greatly reduces your
GVW hauling capacity.
So we know the weight should be centered right in front of the rear axle; and we know the camper manufacture has said the
center of the weight gravity is 61.5 inches. So now it is easy to take a tape measure to see if this camper fits our pickup
bed.
But we really do not know the whole story.
Like stated he could have 10 five gallon jugs of water just inside the back door of the camper throwing the weight
distribution all off.
Oregon Tractor Jack
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I have ab 06 Dodge 2500 that I haul a camper with. The camper tie downs that I used were bolt on. The kit came with some fancy fish wires that held the bolt and allowed you to pull them through all the holes. It was kind of a bear fishing them through, but I knew better than to weld on that frame. Fair bet on that truck someone either welded or drilled new holes.
OTJ
OTJ
DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
Saw when?
Anything more to add??
Anything more to add??
Bruce from Can.
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Company near me has Dodge tow truck, but of course they bought a regular cab short wheel base cab and chassis and put a purpose built wrecker unit on the cab and chassis. I see trucks with extended cabs and tow kits mounted into truck boxes used for tow trucks all the time. And thats fine for towing todays rice burners. But that kind of tow truck would probably break in half too hauling a real load.
DoubleO7
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- Crystal River, FL
560Dennis
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- Madison,Ohio
Wind shear
Russ from MN
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We saw a rig just like that out in the mountains of Arizona on Thursday, it hadn't broken off yet!
E.B. Haymakin'
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those cartels will try anything....
Geo-TH,In
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I too camp in a Hilton, Marriott, Holiday Inn.
I want to drive a smooth, fuel efficient, quiet luxury car, not drive a truck while traveling.
Each to their own. Free country. Camp where it makes you happy.
My idea of a campfire is eating near the fireplace at Cracker barrel. Someone else does the cooking and cleaning.
When I check out, someone else makes the bed.
I think the money I save on fuel driving a car more than pays for the Holiday inn and eating out.
I want to drive a smooth, fuel efficient, quiet luxury car, not drive a truck while traveling.
Each to their own. Free country. Camp where it makes you happy.
My idea of a campfire is eating near the fireplace at Cracker barrel. Someone else does the cooking and cleaning.
When I check out, someone else makes the bed.
I think the money I save on fuel driving a car more than pays for the Holiday inn and eating out.
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