Cars.com set up six of its editors with 240-volt home chargers in preparation for the promised flood of new electric vehicles and the questions potential and current owners are sure to have. With installations ranging from simple to elaborate, half in garages and the other half outdoors, we got a glimpse of how tricky this process can be, and how expensive an average of $3,817, all in.
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Not sure what the hate on for them is all about , if someone
doesnt want one then they dont have to get one. We have 1
and it saves us a ton of money on gas , Maybe itll catch fire
or maybe our trucks gas tank might explode in the driveway ,
maybe the battery will go or maybe the truck will throw a rod
through the block. Theyre efficient yes, actually decent to
drive but 1 is enough for our family right now, we have no
interest in waiting in line to do multiple 1 hour charge stops to
go long distance, isnt practical and would make for a difficult
trip. Yes government is trying to phase out gas engines at
least for the moment but itll be a very long time before theres
no longer gas vehicles available to buy.
As far as installation costs go it just depends. If you already
have a 200A service and your panels not full its likeky not
going to cost very much. If you have a 60A or 100A service ,
full panel and overloaded already adding another 40-50A load
is probably going to require a service upgrade.
doesnt want one then they dont have to get one. We have 1
and it saves us a ton of money on gas , Maybe itll catch fire
or maybe our trucks gas tank might explode in the driveway ,
maybe the battery will go or maybe the truck will throw a rod
through the block. Theyre efficient yes, actually decent to
drive but 1 is enough for our family right now, we have no
interest in waiting in line to do multiple 1 hour charge stops to
go long distance, isnt practical and would make for a difficult
trip. Yes government is trying to phase out gas engines at
least for the moment but itll be a very long time before theres
no longer gas vehicles available to buy.
As far as installation costs go it just depends. If you already
have a 200A service and your panels not full its likeky not
going to cost very much. If you have a 60A or 100A service ,
full panel and overloaded already adding another 40-50A load
is probably going to require a service upgrade.
A 40A charger takes 8 hours from near dead, a 120v 15A charge would take a couple of days. Range in eastern Canadian winters so Im told can be cut to near half because of a cold battery and running the heater. Its my first winter and I do notice the range dropping off already. It had a bit over double the range I needed per day during summer so Im hoping itll be enough when its really cold. If not Ill just take the truck on those days the forecast says I should.
Im sorry again about the first ambush like response , usually
this topic goes south in a heartbeat just because we dont
know and sometimes run with what we hear. The guys at work
gave me a hard time at first I just shrugged it off and no one
cares anymore I dont try to talk anyone into getting one its
none of my business what anyone else drives.
this topic goes south in a heartbeat just because we dont
know and sometimes run with what we hear. The guys at work
gave me a hard time at first I just shrugged it off and no one
cares anymore I dont try to talk anyone into getting one its
none of my business what anyone else drives.
showcrop
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Phillip, you are a good guy! You always talk nice. Some people do not. I googled the install cost and there are like anything else a lot of hits, and a fair amount of variation, but what I see from scanning through, is a range of $300 to 1800. Now I suppose someone could get ahold somewhere of 100 charges and pick out the five highest and then average them. If you read it on the internet it is true.
Bob Harvey
Well-known Member
It seems like around here, dealers are offering free charging (at home) stations if you purchase a new EV.
stevieb49829
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- Location
- Spirit Lake, Idaho
My son owns a Tesla, and visits quite often. I stuck an extra 50 amp outlet and accompanying breaker in my 200 amp shop service. Cost was close to $75 for the double pole breaker and an outlet receptacle. Luckily, I only had to have 4 feet of wire to get to where I wanted the outlet. It takes him a few hours to recharge, while he's visiting.
Thank you Showcrop! Lots of great guys and gals on here
always was. If your going to drive one every day any distance
you pretty much need a 40A 240v supply and charge
overnight. The new E 1/2 tons your going to want a 100A
circuit just for that alone if your going to run it hard daily. What
your installation cost is going to be depends on weather you
have enough power available to spare or if you need more.
Up here theyre pushing/promoting them plus electric water
heaters, heat pumps and so on. If a family had all that , an
electric truck and an suv you quite possibly would be looking
at a 400A service to run everything, 200 might but itd be iffy.
The Ford pro-chargers are adjustable, 40,60 and 80A I
THINK. The lower the setting the longer its going to take.
always was. If your going to drive one every day any distance
you pretty much need a 40A 240v supply and charge
overnight. The new E 1/2 tons your going to want a 100A
circuit just for that alone if your going to run it hard daily. What
your installation cost is going to be depends on weather you
have enough power available to spare or if you need more.
Up here theyre pushing/promoting them plus electric water
heaters, heat pumps and so on. If a family had all that , an
electric truck and an suv you quite possibly would be looking
at a 400A service to run everything, 200 might but itd be iffy.
The Ford pro-chargers are adjustable, 40,60 and 80A I
THINK. The lower the setting the longer its going to take.
Tom in TN
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- Location
- Southern Middle Tennessee
I can't believe any conscientious EV owner would hook up his charger to the plain old electrical grid. They burn coal, oil, and sometimes even use radioactive material
to generate that power. When I get my EV, I'm going to hook up my solar panel to it. I might have to buy a new solar panel. The one that I have generates 12 volts DC.
Tom in TN
to generate that power. When I get my EV, I'm going to hook up my solar panel to it. I might have to buy a new solar panel. The one that I have generates 12 volts DC.
Tom in TN
DoubleO7
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- Location
- Crystal River, FL
Here is the article.
IMHO, the way they went about it is not a very good way to determine an average.
The requirements they imposed set them up to paying a premium.
And they bought six different chargers in order to use them for future comparison evaluations.
https://www.cars.com/articles/what-it-cost-to-outfit-six-homes-with-ev-chargers-447239/
This post was edited by DoubleO7 on 11/17/2022 at 05:52 pm.
IMHO, the way they went about it is not a very good way to determine an average.
The requirements they imposed set them up to paying a premium.
And they bought six different chargers in order to use them for future comparison evaluations.
https://www.cars.com/articles/what-it-cost-to-outfit-six-homes-with-ev-chargers-447239/
This post was edited by DoubleO7 on 11/17/2022 at 05:52 pm.
Hobo,NC
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- Location
- Sanford, NC
I have no use for a EV : )
At the rate they are making everything electric on a ICE equipped vehicle you need to plug them in overnight to keep the body control module happy. Short trips cannot keep the battery's charged the BCM goes to sleep and drops some functions.
I also said I would not buy a dozen battery maintainers but I did.
M-MAN
Well-known Member
- Location
- Bostic, NC
Interesting article. The second
installation where a service
upgrade is required is what I've
mentioned before. Most older homes
are going to require it. We still
have a lot of 60 amp service homes
here.
Daughter in laws parents have a
little ev for short commutes. They
seem to like it well. They went
all the way though. Bought a good
sized trailer and installed solar
panels on it so they could move it
around to get the most sunlight to
charge the ev. Free fuel but they
paid dearly for it. I think it's
more of a novelty thing for them.
They drove it a good bit the first
six months but rarely do now.
installation where a service
upgrade is required is what I've
mentioned before. Most older homes
are going to require it. We still
have a lot of 60 amp service homes
here.
Daughter in laws parents have a
little ev for short commutes. They
seem to like it well. They went
all the way though. Bought a good
sized trailer and installed solar
panels on it so they could move it
around to get the most sunlight to
charge the ev. Free fuel but they
paid dearly for it. I think it's
more of a novelty thing for them.
They drove it a good bit the first
six months but rarely do now.
Thanks for posting and bringing to light
the hidden costs of EV. All the house
upgrade costs have to be figured into the
cost of ownership, but that is strangely
overlooked when moat tout how cheap an EV
is.
I would love to have an EV for the
personal driving I do, it would make
perfect sense. But the price point
doesn't. If I were going to spend that
kind of money, a used utility side by side
would be much more useful to me and would
be useable for the short trip driving I do
accross town.
the hidden costs of EV. All the house
upgrade costs have to be figured into the
cost of ownership, but that is strangely
overlooked when moat tout how cheap an EV
is.
I would love to have an EV for the
personal driving I do, it would make
perfect sense. But the price point
doesn't. If I were going to spend that
kind of money, a used utility side by side
would be much more useful to me and would
be useable for the short trip driving I do
accross town.
Instead of hearsay, have you called a local electrician and asked what it would cost YOU? Danny hasn't put one in because he plugs
in at work for $1 a day, so I can't tell you personally. I do know that Consumers Energy here in Michigan gives a $500 rebate. My
daughter in law looked in to it. As far as I know, they're having one put in their new house while it's being built.
in at work for $1 a day, so I can't tell you personally. I do know that Consumers Energy here in Michigan gives a $500 rebate. My
daughter in law looked in to it. As far as I know, they're having one put in their new house while it's being built.
Russ from MN
Well-known Member
- Location
- Bemidji MN
I have a 50 amp welder receptacle in my shop, that is only 6 feet from where we park our car, on the other
side of a wall. I could put another receptacle on the same circuit for <$50. I doubt I would ever need to
weld and charge a car at the same time. But then I see the actual chargers are priced anywhere form 250 to
$1000, depending on the car or how fast you want to charge it.
side of a wall. I could put another receptacle on the same circuit for <$50. I doubt I would ever need to
weld and charge a car at the same time. But then I see the actual chargers are priced anywhere form 250 to
$1000, depending on the car or how fast you want to charge it.
DoubleO7
Well-known Member
- Location
- Crystal River, FL
The biggest charger from Tesla is on a 60amp breaker.
DoubleO7
Well-known Member
- Location
- Crystal River, FL
Per the article, it reads like all of the tax breaks and rebates from feds, state, your utility require
installation by a licensed electrician.
Those incentives will automatically be added the installation cost as gravy to the electrician.
installation by a licensed electrician.
Those incentives will automatically be added the installation cost as gravy to the electrician.
When I was in Ky a month and a half ago, Hay Hay Hay and Super A and I were talking about it. Super A said they were nothing but a welder plug. I was just scrolling through some of them that I linked to. There are two kinds. Some are hard wired, some are just like he said, they literally have a male plug that plugs in to what you'd use for a welder, dryer or electric stove. One shows a picture of the male plug. That's one of the $295.
Get an electrician out to install a dryer plug an see what it costs you. It won't be cheap no matter who you are. I had to have a local guy out to splice 3 underground 220 wires two years ago. I had it dug up and it was still $800. To heck with the rebate, plug in to the welder outlet that you have.
Get an electrician out to install a dryer plug an see what it costs you. It won't be cheap no matter who you are. I had to have a local guy out to splice 3 underground 220 wires two years ago. I had it dug up and it was still $800. To heck with the rebate, plug in to the welder outlet that you have.
www.tesla.com
Tesla availability, time & cost.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/tesla-supercharger-guide
Charge speeds, fastest. BMW & MB , 10% to 80% in 31 minutes with 200kW charger.
with 100kWh battery, input power needed (excluding inefficiencies) is approximately 240 amps @ 480 volts, 3 phase power.
Single phase 240 v would seem unreasonable to implement at 833 amps. So, no FAST charging in your home, it would seem. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/fastest-charging-electric-cars?slide=9
This post was edited by JMOR on 11/18/2022 at 07:37 am.
Tesla availability, time & cost.
https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/features/tesla-supercharger-guide
Charge speeds, fastest. BMW & MB , 10% to 80% in 31 minutes with 200kW charger.
with 100kWh battery, input power needed (excluding inefficiencies) is approximately 240 amps @ 480 volts, 3 phase power.
Single phase 240 v would seem unreasonable to implement at 833 amps. So, no FAST charging in your home, it would seem. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/fastest-charging-electric-cars?slide=9
This post was edited by JMOR on 11/18/2022 at 07:37 am.
philcaseinWPA
Member
My son has a Tesla model y (small suv). When he visits he plugs into my 50 Amp
welder outlet. It draws 32 amps at maximum charge. As the battery gets more and
more charged it charges slower. He lives about 240 miles from me and can make it
home if fully charged and he drives conservatively. He usually stops at one of the
rest stops that have the Tesla super chargers and can get enough charge and a
burger to make it home easily. He enjoys the performance and technology more than
the feeling green thing. The problem with evs is we do not have the
infrastructure to support an entire nation of evs. And the environmental costs of
enough batteries, solar panels, etc. no one talks about. Even Elon Musk admits we
still need ice vehicles. My 3.5 cents worth (inflation).
Phil
welder outlet. It draws 32 amps at maximum charge. As the battery gets more and
more charged it charges slower. He lives about 240 miles from me and can make it
home if fully charged and he drives conservatively. He usually stops at one of the
rest stops that have the Tesla super chargers and can get enough charge and a
burger to make it home easily. He enjoys the performance and technology more than
the feeling green thing. The problem with evs is we do not have the
infrastructure to support an entire nation of evs. And the environmental costs of
enough batteries, solar panels, etc. no one talks about. Even Elon Musk admits we
still need ice vehicles. My 3.5 cents worth (inflation).
Phil
DoubleO7
Well-known Member
- Location
- Crystal River, FL
That is also why you are not going to see superchargers in rural areas.
Unless maybe a grain elevator, lonely commercial or industrial operation or a substation, etc. puts them in.
philcaseinWPA
Member
not nearly that much. The ac is pretty efficient and the model y uses a heat pump for heat. The environmental temp has a much bigger effect on mileage than your cabin climate controls. The evs get far less mileage in cold weather than warm weather even if you don't use the heat. My daughter has a Chevy Volt (hybrid) She has this thing about getting as many mph as she can. Her work commute is about 30 miles round trip and her heater is not as efficient as the heat pump in the Tesla. Her normal range is about 35 miles (electric) so in cold weather she doesn't use the heater so the computer shows her having really high mpg. I would use the heater and a little gas to be comfortable.
Phil
Phil
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