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Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

With my newly fabbed equal angle hitch installed, hooked up the baler and kicker wagon to the 1958 Farmall 350 and baled some squares. I was pleasantly surprised, the Farmall handled the baler great. Plenty of power too. I am behind, but I have videos of baling with this tractor and will post a few when I get time.

Mark Poss · Sep 19, 2022

Great job on the hitch. Looks professional!

John Athey · Sep 19, 2022

Did you need the hookup to be longer? Also where are you located?

Tx Jim · Sep 19, 2022

Bill
Nice fabrication on your equal angle hitch adapter.

To help members understand your need for fabrication could you please post a video of tractor/baler tongue & driveline in a sharp turn to the right with pto operating to demonstrate the smooth operation of pto driveline which was the reason for your hitch fabrication?
Thanks, Jim

rrlund · Sep 19, 2022

''I was pleasantly surprised, the Farmall handled the baler great.''

Aw come on. Everybody knows you need at least 100 horsepower just to plow a garden. LOL

Having the hitch rigid like that will take out a lot of slop while turning with the plunger swinging. I have to hand it to you, I wouldn't have thought of building it that way. Nice.

dhermesc · Sep 19, 2022

Are you running a hydraulic pump between the tractor and the baler PTO?

We had to extend the hitch on our 706 for the hydraulic pump for the farmland accumulator - the PTO extensions keep twisting. I am looking hard for a flywheel driven hydraulic pump - all that weight hanging off the PTO just seems like an accident waiting to happen.

55 50 Ron · Sep 19, 2022

Tx Jim,

Good request.

When I owned and operated a New Holland 68 baler, the baler manual stated the need for 14 inches from the tip of the tractor PTO shaft to the end of the tractor drawbar. I needed to drill another hole in my tractor drawbar (John Deere 50) to achieve the 14 inches. This was for the equal angle function.

Bill VA,

Nice fabrication job.

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

The hydraulic pump for the kicker is integral to the baler and driven from the balers flywheel on the side. The only hydraulics are the pan kicker side to side tilt.

Bill

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

Thanks!

Our biggest tractor is a MF 1105. We need that HP (117-118 on a dyno) to run our Krone mower conditioner in heavy first cutting hay and the weight of it for bringing loaded kicker wagons safely off our hills. Otherwise we could probably do everything on 50 PTO hp or less.

Bill

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

I will try to do that sometime this fall - thx!

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

Thanks!

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

Yes - longer. The baler requires an equal angle hitch and the JD hitch will not fit the Farmall, so I dreamed up this contraption.

flying belgian · Sep 19, 2022

Why did you have to leave your old hitch in place? Why not just hook every thing to the extension?

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

I wanted to keep that part original and only the baler requires the equal angle hitch extension. When done, I just unbolt and I am back to normal (the tractor not me).

ss55 · Sep 19, 2022

A second fast hitch drawbar might be handy.

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

Good idea - thanks!

paul · Sep 19, 2022

My ihc 300 is a really nice match for the NH 270 baler we have. Independent pto and the hi/lo makes it nice to operate and have no issues pulling a 100 bale rack or bale basket around behind the baler.

Your baler might need a tad more hp which you have in your slightly bigger tractor.

The equal angle stuff means the pto shaft pivots correctly so both angles are the same. Typically on a baler one universal joint bends sharper then the other, making it chatter pretty quickly. If the piviot point (hitch pin) is at the right location, both universal joints will pivot the same amount and runs much smoother.

Paul

rrlund · Sep 19, 2022

Ya, the equal angle generally slides over the swinging drawbar though. It's hard to get them pinned down solid, and when you add the extra leverage from the length of the E/A, it swings more. I've broken a few pins that keep the drawbar from swinging with the E/A on my discbine. If I turn too quick, especially if there's a side hill on the headland, it'll slam one way then whip back the other way pretty hard. Eliminating the swinging drawbar that way should take that side shift out of it.

Paul swpa · Sep 19, 2022

Bill, saw your post earlier looking for the right pin. Didn't get out to get these pictures of a couple different ways of connecting we have here in time for you. Your setup looks great too. I'll see if I can get the pictures loaded from my phone. Might give someone some other ideas.

The first picture I made a simple hammerstap so I could use a standard hitchpin instead of the bolt in pin, use a washer under the ball to save drawbar. The second is the setup on our square baler, previous owner had made that one up. Never really paid attention to the hitch setup till after we had it home.

Tx Jim · Sep 19, 2022

(quoted from post at 14:21:10 09/19/22) Ya, the equal angle generally slides over the swinging drawbar though. It's hard to get them pinned down solid, and when you add the extra leverage from the length of the E/A, it swings more. I've broken a few pins that keep the drawbar from swinging with the E/A on my discbine. If I turn too quick, especially if there's a side hill on the headland, it'll slam one way then whip back the other way pretty hard. Eliminating the swinging drawbar that way should take that side shift out of it.

Later style JD Equal-angle hitch adapters were designed to "fit tight on tractor swinging drawbar" if operator went to the trouble to tighten the bolts(item 1) & install correct shims(item 14)

paul · Sep 19, 2022

That second one makes the hitch into a normal one and loses the equal angle advantage doesnt it?

Paul

Tx Jim · Sep 19, 2022

Adapter in photo below is an implement tongue extension but will not limit driveshaft vibration similar to Equal-angle drawbar extension. Pivot point between tractor & implement is at incorrect distance.

Bill VA · Sep 19, 2022

Thanks for the reply and pics!

Bill

Paul swpa · Sep 19, 2022

I probably don't really understand all the equal angle hitch stuff, but I've not had any problems with either of these hitches and pto shaft chatter. The first picture is what I did to get rid of a bolt in drawbar pin. A few years ago there was a number of round baler fires in our area that burnt up tractors as well. With the bolt in pin the only way to unhook from the baler is to jack the tongue up over the pin. I didn't want to waste time if something caught fire so thought of this way to just pull pin and drive away, everything else will disconnect on separation.

Like I said on the second picture the square baler already had that adapter on it when we got it, couple years ago now, and it hasn't given any problems either. Then again maybe IH stuff is just that much different from the JD.

Paul

Tx Jim · Sep 20, 2022

Recommended telescoping driveshaft & drawbar dimensions are relatively color blind when it comes to equipment manufacturers. Different farm equipment engineers had different ideas on what was best for least pto shaft vibration when making sharp turns when pto was operating.

I agree all brands of rd balers have the capability of catching on fire & burning. Several yrs ago I experienced a rd baler fire & pulled the drawbar pin & saved my tractor. The baler was TOAST.

Paul swpa · Sep 20, 2022

Agreed on the geometry aspect. The math
is the math, can't change that no matter
how hard you try! We're pretty colorblind
here, have several colors on the place
just tend more towards red because better
dealer.

The rd baler came with pin to bolt in
drawbar and I just couldn't see taking
time to get jack out of side compartment
of baler, jack up tongue, to drive away
when time counts when stuff happens!

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