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Ultradog MN

Ultradog MN

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I had the oil changed in my Chevy yesterday. Same dealer where I've been taking my pickups for over 20 years.
No tire rotation, no checking transfer case or differentials, no filters except the oil filter.
Just oil change, top off fluids and check air in the tires.
Cost me $96 and change!
I was totally appalled and had to bite my tongue pretty hard but paid it.
But that's the end of That for sure!
 
Synthetic or conventional oil and how many quarts ? What brand filter. would make comparison better .
 
I can understand getting your oil changed someplace was cheaper at one point in time,but I never could get brave enough to do it. I'd sooner pay more to know how it was done. I simply don't trust anyone else doing it. The last new car my parents got they said they'd get their first oil change free. When that time came they went to the dealer and got it done. Got the car home and checked the oil and it was way up on the dipstick. Long story short the guy put in the amount of oil in for a 6 cylinder not a 4 cylinder. Went back and made it right,but that's the end of that. I'll pay for it and do it at a time that is convenient for me.
 
Wife's Buick SUV is 70-80 dollars just to change the oil at the quick serve places with synthetic oil. The Chevy dealer has far more overhead in a service bay.
 
The labor charge is probably $26.00 or so. Oil got expensive especially synthetic.

Vito
 
I got my oil changed at the dealer yesterday. It's a 2014 Silverado 4.3L gas engine. $90 and change but I had the batteries changed in both fobs too. It used to be $22 because of my extended warranty but they discontinued that price at my last oil change.
Dave
 
Our local Chevy dealer used to do oil change ,(dexos) tire rotation, and a wash job for $50! But then they got political and I vowed to never spend another dollar there! I can do it myself for under $40, using Mobil 1 and a wix filter, but a cris-cros rotation is time consuming, and a lot of work. We're buying a new Ford in the spring!
 
Our 2020 Toyota gets free oil change and tire rotation as long as we own it. They also run it through the car wash every time.

I'm sure it was factored into the cost, but might as well use it.

The only thing I am concerned about is the 10,000 mile oil change. They won't change it until the 10,000 mile is up. I'm hearing bad things about the long interval. It's almost due, I need to look at the oil and see how dark it is. I might start doing it at 5000, let them do every other time.

Strange they want the tires rotated every 5000 miles. They look to be wearing well, and I have not taken it in for the 5000 rotation, they get rotated at 10,000 when the oil is changed.

I'm sure they will start finding thins to do and charge for eventually. I warn my wife when she takes it in, DO NOT AGREE TO ANYTHING NOT UNDER WARRANTY!!!!

So far they haven't!
 
I had my oil changed 1 time, 35 years ago at Jiffy Lupe, took an hour round trip. Been changing my own ever since. Takes about 15 minutes total.
 
when i worked in the service station it was a must to check diff's and trans. and check all fluids, and belts. plus even look at the tires and many times get a wheel alignment. and even sold tires too., remember the old seiberling tires had them also along with goodrich. not radials either. and it was extra money coming in. and it was only a 20 minute job to do oil changes. that was in the 1970's.
 
The place I go to is pretty cool, it's a jiffy lube like place that is connected to the Ford dealership and the gal that runs the place is quite a character. She's been there almost 40 years, long before they opened the Quick Lane shop. I think the oil change is still around $50-$60 and I get the tires rotated every time with the oil change. They have done a full brake job and 3rd set of tires. I was never one to spend money at a dealer, always did my own. I did buy the truck new there, never an issue with the work, brake job they did has held up well and I swear there was a slight vibration when new, that eventually grew, no more though and I am easy on the brakes. Nice thing is OEM parts, but they work on all the other brands too. Their techs are really good, they don't have a big turn over rate either.

I could not get in for service work, so I changed my own on this truck, it definitely took me longer, modern ones are so different, and I did not save much. Everything is so costly today.
 
I buy bulk oil and other lubes and supplies. I can assure you all petro products and all other costs are way up. I assume this was a full synthetic oil change with how many quarts? Many modern trucks and some cars hold 6-8 qts of oil, not 4-5 of yesterday's vehicles, that adds to the price, or assumed price.

What we all hope is all these price increases will go back to normal soon, and businesses can adjust their prices back too.
 
(quoted from post at 16:12:44 09/01/22) I had the oil changed in my Chevy yesterday. Same dealer where I've been taking my pickups for over 20 years.
No tire rotation, no checking transfer case or differentials, no filters except the oil filter.
Just oil change, top off fluids and check air in the tires.
Cost me $96 and change!
I was totally appalled and had to bite my tongue pretty hard but paid it.
But that's the end of That for sure!
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I personally would never trust such dealer. I totally agree with you that they are not honest and they are only after the money. The service they provided is the bare minimum. If you are going to the dealer for service, then you should expect a complete service. If the dealer is not capable enough, you may consider getting your car checked by a third party.
 

No secret about the rising cost of oil and filter. My main reasons for doing my own oil and filter changes are that I know who did it and I know that I used a new crush washer on the drain plug and didn't over tighten anything.

Last time I had mine done at a quick lube type place, I needed a breaker bar to get the drain plug loose. I don't need pulled threads in my oil pan.
 
10,000 mile oil change is crazy. Talk to any tech guy that's honest and they will tell do maintenance way before the manufacturer recommends. There are some good tech guys on YouTube that have shown first hand what things look like when listening to manufactures recommendations. My 2 vehicles are recommended to change oil at 7,500 miles. Even at 5k miles the oil level is at the add mark. They have been like that since new.
I think these high mile maintenance things are sales gimmick. Just like push mowers you see now that say you never need to change oil in them. Just top it off when low.
 
You guys make me realize how dumb and out of touch I am. Know more about my tractors than my daily driver.
The engine is a 6.0
Takes 6 quarts and uses Dexon 1.
Pickup is a 2013 K2500. I bought it 2 1/2 years ago with 13K on the clock. Has 52K on it now and doesn't use a quart between changes so I haven't bought any.
Last oil change I had was in March and I think? it cost about $65 but I got a tire rotation then too.
I misplaced the reciept here so can't look up the labor vs oil cost right now but if as Vito says the labor was about $25 I might continue having the dealer do it.
Just seemed shockingly high the other day.
As an aside here,
I always walk around the dealer's lot and look at the new models while I wait.
They always had a hundred +/- new pickups there. This time they had five and 3 were already sold.
I talked to a salesman and he said they can't get any. Even the showroom was empty of new vehicles except for one used Corvette.
Lastly, I always thought Chevy made good looking pickups. But the grill and front end on the new HD models are butt ugly IMO.
Thanks to all.
 
Just got full synthetic oil change at Vavoline rapid change. This is where you remain in the vehicle and usually done in 20 minutes. They did not remove the oil plug instead they pumped the oil out thru the filler tube. Don't know if I like that. Cost $90
 
I take my truck and my wifes Jeep back to the dealership we bought them from for service work. Basic oil change is $50.00, for seniors. All their work is 15% off your total bill if you are a senior.. Great way to keep older customers that have bought new vehicles coming back into the dealership. And the dealership has record of vehicles service, and when it comes to trade, they can tell if a vehicle has been maintained.
 
Sorry its come to that. Don't know of any dealers in this area that do oil changes without you leaving it all day and paying more than the most expensive quick change place.
 
I take my Toyota Tundra to the dealer for oil changes and tire rotation. And they wash it. So far they have not tried to push anything else on me. I think it is $48. Full synthetic.
 
Got a coupon in the mail from the local Ford garage where I had an oil change/tire rotation done in January when my back went out. January price with coupon was 49.95yesterdays coupon for the same service 69.95. Thats 6 quarts synthetic blend, filter, top off fluids, rotation, and safety inspection. Going to do it myself next week. At 72 I can still get down and do what I need to do, the hard part is getting back up off that creeper, uff da!
 
I would split it and change it yourself at 5000 miles. That 10,000 oil change just guarantees you will be buying a new vehicle at 70k-80k miles.

People will claim the engineers determined 10,000 miles is the correct interval. Actually the big advertisement anymore is Cost of ownership - the marketing department decides the cost of ownership needs to be less so the oil changes get spread out. I don't know which Toyota you have but most new cars now have variable timing that is dependent upon oil pressure to keep the timing correct. Older thinner oil has trouble maintaining correct pressure resulting in loose timing chains and inaccurate timing - most work fine until out of warranty. Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Chevy have all had issues with extended maintenance periods causing issues with engine timing - usually with extremely expensive results.
 
I've never had someone change the oil on any vehicle I've owned. My wife bought a new car last year and part of the extended warranty is they change the oil but it doesn't cost anything. I've even got my daughter to changing the oil on her car.
 
I think 10,000 between oil changes is probably OK, depending on your driving. If it's kept in a garage, mostly highway longer distance driving like we do it's OK. If it's lots of cold starts, short runs where it never warms up, then 6,000 is too long.
 
(quoted from post at 21:15:01 09/01/22)
(quoted from post at 16:12:44 09/01/22) I had the oil changed in my Chevy yesterday. Same dealer where I've been taking my pickups for over 20 years.
No tire rotation, no checking transfer case or differentials, no filters except the oil filter.
Just oil change, top off fluids and check air in the tires.
Cost me $96 and change!
I was totally appalled and had to bite my tongue pretty hard but paid it.
But that's the end of That for sure!
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I personally would never trust such dealer. I totally agree with you that they are not honest and they are only after the money. The service they provided is the bare minimum. If you are going to the dealer for service, then you should expect a complete service. If the dealer is not capable enough, you may consider getting your car checked by a third party.
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What part of the story says or even implies that the dealer is not honest?

They did everything he asked for.

They did NOT quote him one price, then charge another price.

The price was higher than he was expecting. That should be NO SURPRISE with every news outlet crying about how the cost of things keeps going up up up, and every other person you talk to complaining about how the cost of things keeps going up up up.
 
Sometimes I head off to the local hardware store for some small item of some kind. I'm thinking to myself .... maybe $4 - $5 or so. I get there and it's maybe $13. So it's just not oil changes, it's everything. Sometimes I'm surprised that dealerships can change oil for a guy even at the high prices. Most of us (including me) are clueless on just how much it costs to operate a business like that, especially one in an expensive building, and then add al the costs of staying open. I'm sure some of us might even consider doing our own knee replacements if it wasn't covered by insurance.
 
Sence I got my first cars in late 50's I never remember having anyone else changing my oil. At 80 I still change my own oil. It's getting harder now. Like someone said else said it's getting harder to get up, but for now I still manage to do it. My tractors are so much easier. I change the oil when they are on my trailer. I just reach in and pull the plug. Stan
 
Walmart full synthetic and fram filter $46....but you have to wait...usually an hour+++. Switched to them when the drive thru was $90 and a hard sell for other services last year.
 
Going to a dealer with a high overhead cost generally will always cost more than a smaller place with lower overhead. They have the trained technicians, parts department, impressive shop, nice waiting room rolled up in to their overhead cost. Walmart plans on you spending an hour in the store buying things you don't need, thus they can cut the profit for a oil change pretty slim.

WHERE you buy your oil for home changes can make a difference too. I buy my Mobil 1 w/Dexos at Walmart for $25 for 5 quarts. Autozone down the road has it for around $35 for the same container.

Shop around.....
 
I wouldn't let Walmart change my oil - not even on a bet or dare.

Son in college had them change it in his old Impala - charged him for 5 quarts on his 3.8 V6 - engine only holds 4. Checked the oil - he got what he paid for the oil level was about an inch above the full line.
 
If you think you ae getting the oil changed in a 4900 for $96 I'd hate to see what they used for oil.
 
I've been doing 10000 mile oil changes for well over 20 years. Most people change their oil way too often. Of course if you're operating in extremely harsh conditions then it's better to change more often. US Army determined many years ago that they were changing oil way too often on motor vehicles. They do subject all vehicles to spectrum analysis which would be a good thing to do. PS: I routinely put 400k on a vehicle and then give it to my son who will put on another 100k to 200k. 0W20 Mobil 1 with a factory (OEM) filter every 10 thousand miles. Our BMW has a computer that decides when the oil needs to be changed based on what type of use. Number of starts, miles driven, length of trips, etc. Those notices come up about every 10 or 12 thousand miles.
 
Started doing my own oil changes, filters and lube in 1958 just turned 80 yrs old in April still do it in all vehicles and equipment. To me it is just important what comes out as what goes back in and how it is done. When they pump it out put they 4 qts in and you pay for 6, I want it completely drained and all new in.
 
Me too, 80 yrs and still, do my still changes. I drive a 2007 Sienna. 2nd owner, 1st gave me her big file folder of all the service invoices from the Toyota dealer. She always dropped it off for routine service,or other! Recently I found a dangling arm that connects the end of the torsion bar to the strut assy. The ball end had 'rotted' right off. And these ends had zerks.
So much for dealer service quality, no evidence of grease on the 4 ends. LOF, haha. Even the quick change oil shops never lube.. Before I retired, I was looking after a small flllet of pickups, Mostly Dakotas. I used several Quick Oil Change shops, and I got to checking, afterwards. What few zerts they dod have, never had eveidence of new grease or wiped clean. Finally went to a privately owned shop and paid a little more.
 
Yeah, Autozone, OReillys, Advance, all have to be the most expensive places to buy oil.

Mobile1 at Wally's for $25, Motorcraft filter for $5, = $30 synthetic oil change.

And with my old 855 chain hay baler, manure spreader, wood trailer decks, I've got plenty of uses for the old oil.
 

My parts cost for a oil and lube have increased 40% maybe a little more than that. I held to my old price for a bit and had to go up why should I absorb the loss on a job that was a lost leader to begin with.

From start to finish it takes a lot of man power I am sure they all are expecting a pay check at the end of the week. When the first quick lube came to town they built a new shop on the main drag across the street from me. The owner told me it took 80 cars a day to break even.

It takes a large investment to profit off of oil and lube jobs there is no way I could begin to make a profit buying service supply's from a local auto parts store/walmart.

It is what it is I could live better without doing OLF jobs and be happier. Some days I have 5 lined up there is always a change order on a few are an issue I run across that eats at my schedule. Just a nail in a tire and my battle plan is screwed up for the day. Yesterday a chebby truck came in for a LOF they added AC not cooling well after I checked it I thought all was OK so I did a evacuate and charge it was 4ths of a pound low. When I removed the hi side service cap the service port had a very small leak so I replaced the service port. This one was a first every time I was finished that port leaked it took 3 service ports to find one that did not leak. That one work order change turned out to be an all day thorn in my foot.

Thursday a 2017 f250 superduty when they dropped it off BTW the drivers power mirror has an issue I have a used on in the truck. The outside door handle cover for the right rear door is missing I ordered one off of ebay would you install it for me.

3 hours later the mirror does not fit none of the parts inside the used one will interchange I learn Ford makes 27 different mirrors for that model A new one is $1500. The door handle cover does not fit the only way to get the correct plastic cover is to buy a new assy @ $150.00. A new assy is sitting on my desk as I type this.

I am headed down the hill and can not wait till my coaster comes to a stop : ) I am burnt out on all this while some make it sound like there is nuttin to it I will gladly let you have my spot. I have done the hard part for ya "Trained the customer to bring plenty of money"
 
with the coolant, fuel and oil filter plus oil close to 300 bucks. The worse thing is it gets like 500 miles a year.
 
I'm 81 and do the same. However, crawling under the vehicle is getting to be a bit taxing. I do my own for a couple of reasons and knowing what did and didn't is the main reason. Back when I had a 1998 I think it was, Tahoe, the Idler arm grease zerk was easily overlooked. Every time I greased it I wondered how many Chevys were rolling down the road with it dry.
 
Same empty lot at my small town, local Chevy dealer. i'm getting a lot of discounted services ads in the mail. Looks like they are having to up the services to stay in business. Sad sad. With a lot of 2022s finally arriving there are a lot of vehicles apparently waiting on chips that will need to be sold before tapping into 2023 offferings.
 
I had a 2009 Ram 1500 with the Hemi. Printed material and verbal warnings insisted that for the 4-8-4 system to work properly 5W-20 was the only engine oil to use. For a guy that regularly ran 15w-40 in his trucks that was a hard pill to swallow....but I did and had no problems. Only had it 3 years so I don't know any more than that.
 
The idler arm on my HD is the hardest to get to. I had to change left tie rod about a month ago, I thought I had busted the boot from too much grease pressure but had been hit by a limb around fields or was a road hazzard hit. Just turned 75,000 miles and joints still real tight.
 
My 2011 Renault 2 liters Diesel has been changed every 30k since new. That is 19000 miles. Takes 7 liters of 5w30 C3. That is very ecpensive oil, but no options.
 
(quoted from post at 08:39:28 09/02/22) I would split it and change it yourself at 5000 miles. That 10,000 oil change just guarantees you will be buying a new vehicle at 70k-80k miles.

People will claim the engineers determined 10,000 miles is the correct interval. Actually the big advertisement anymore is Cost of ownership - the marketing department decides the cost of ownership needs to be less so the oil changes get spread out. I don't know which Toyota you have but most new cars now have variable timing that is dependent upon oil pressure to keep the timing correct. Older thinner oil has trouble maintaining correct pressure resulting in loose timing chains and inaccurate timing - most work fine until out of warranty. Ford, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda, Chevy have all had issues with extended maintenance periods causing issues with engine timing - usually with extremely expensive results.
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Tell that to my Grand National and the 2003 pickup . GN was changed at 15,000Km and the GMC 6,0L 3/4 ton truck when ever the dash indication recommended. 496,000Km on the GN and 278,000 miles on the truck .
GM does need a litre every 2000 Km. The truck stays above the add on the dip stick .
 

Ordered a 1500 gas pickup in July . Dealer said the Easter Bunny maybe bringing it . A 2500 diesel would be Christmas 2023.
 
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