rusty6
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Looks like I am out of luck on getting the 2090 Case back in service. That little 5/16 x 1 inch pin is no longer available from Case IH anywhere in Canada. 
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Roger Tomfohrde
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Machine shop make one?
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rusty6
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Possibly yes but it is a special "grooved" pin that has to fit not too tight, not too loose. Too tight and you will never be able to remove that shift rail again if at some time the shift forks need work in the future. Too loose and it will slip back out just like it already did.
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rusty6
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No it is a solid pin. A roll pin might work for a while but doubt it would last very long.
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rusty6
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https://www.messicks.com/commoncatalog?vendor=cas&modelId=140939
wore out
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(quoted from post at 07:55:13 07/12/22) Looks like I am out of luck on getting the 2090 Case back in service. That little 5/16 x 1 inch pin is no longer available from Case IH anywhere in Canada.
Go to www.mcmaster.com and enter ''groove pins'' in the search box.
NOT sure if the ship to Canada???
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rusty6
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135-365 is all they list in the cih parts book. Not much to work with. The McMaster Carr site looks interesting and has a pin that might work. Should think there was a place like that here in Canada.
used red MN
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Did you try to web search the part number? I would
suggest that. Try it with Case in front and alone. The
2nd link should get you the PN. If not you should be
able to get something at Grainger. If the 1st link does
not go direct to the solid steel pin page put it in their
search.
Grainger
CNHI 2090 parts diagrams
suggest that. Try it with Case in front and alone. The
2nd link should get you the PN. If not you should be
able to get something at Grainger. If the 1st link does
not go direct to the solid steel pin page put it in their
search.
Grainger
CNHI 2090 parts diagrams
DoubleO7
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(quoted from post at 11:55:13 07/12/22) Looks like I am out of luck on getting the 2090 Case back in service. That little 5/16 x 1 inch pin is no longer available from Case IH anywhere in Canada.
Can't imagine Case creating and using a non industry standard groove pin.
If it's location makes it possible I would put a hose clamp over the pin hole to keep the pin from slipping out.
If it is that loose in the hole maybe a new hole needs to be drilled.
Russ from MN
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Wow, McMaster has a wonderful selection, I would think something there would work!
Absent Minded Farmer
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Try the Parts Depot. I don't know exactly what you're looking for & don't have a part number, but if you do, check the link below.
Mike
https://parts.depotparts.com/
Mike
https://parts.depotparts.com/
BarnyardEngineering
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Who cares if it fits too tight? Even if you can't ever get it back out, you will get more use out of the tractor than you ever would if you just throw up your hands and junk the tractor today...
Steve@Advance
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If a 5/16 dowel pin is too tight, get a 2 inch long dowel pin, drill a 5/16 hole in block of steel.
If a 5/16 is loose, get an 8 mm.
Put the dowel in a drill or drill press, add some valve lapping compound, start working it in the hole until
it is down a few thousandths. It will naturally taper up to the end you are holding in the drill.
Keep trying and fitting until you get the fit you need.
I don't see why it would have to have the groves, but they could be cut in with a cut-off wheel before
lapping it.
If a 5/16 is loose, get an 8 mm.
Put the dowel in a drill or drill press, add some valve lapping compound, start working it in the hole until
it is down a few thousandths. It will naturally taper up to the end you are holding in the drill.
Keep trying and fitting until you get the fit you need.
I don't see why it would have to have the groves, but they could be cut in with a cut-off wheel before
lapping it.
WalJohn
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Will this do?
https://www.mcmaster.com/pins/diameter~5-16/length~1/
https://www.mcmaster.com/pins/diameter~5-16/length~1/
DoubleO7
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A grooved pin is not a pin with grooves cut into it.
The grooves are "plowed" into the surface, most commonly full length. And upset the metal beyond the surface of the mother material.
As the pin is driven in the tiny amount of upset metal due to creation of the groove gives the pin a force fit.
If you're concerned a roll pin isn't going to hold, how about a coiled roll pin? Obviously McMaster has grooved pins, but is the hole worn open to the point it wouldn't hold?
I'll agree that it's unlikely Case made a custom groove pin. There would be no possible reason to have a proprietary pin in that location...
I see Grainger in Canada offers a 5/16 x 1.25"... Could always dremel off the extra 1/4".
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rusty6
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Yes, the Grainger site looks like an option. If I don't get around to replying to all the helpful suggestions its because I'm busy actually outside working but I will be back.
I am in manitoba and there are wreckers around here that would probably have that pin. My brother may even. If a different case as 1070 have
such I know at least 3 wrecked at his place I steal parts of of. my cell to text a pic of what you need and I will check around 204-526-0505
such I know at least 3 wrecked at his place I steal parts of of. my cell to text a pic of what you need and I will check around 204-526-0505
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[i:030071e23a]A grooved pin is not a pin with grooves cut into it. The grooves are "plowed" into the surface, most commonly full length. And upset the metal beyond the surface of the mother material.
As the pin is driven in the tiny amount of upset metal due to creation of the groove gives the pin a force fit.
Possibly yes but it is a special "grooved" pin that has to fit not too tight, not too loose. Too tight and you will never be able to remove that shift rail again if at some time the shift forks need work in the future. Too loose and it will slip back out just like it already did.[/i:030071e23a]
If you don't find an OEM pin or substitute, you might want to consider having a machine shop knurl a 5/16x1 pin or knurl your pin. You can control the amount of metal raised during the knurling process which will give you the amount of interference fit you're looking for.
As the pin is driven in the tiny amount of upset metal due to creation of the groove gives the pin a force fit.
Possibly yes but it is a special "grooved" pin that has to fit not too tight, not too loose. Too tight and you will never be able to remove that shift rail again if at some time the shift forks need work in the future. Too loose and it will slip back out just like it already did.[/i:030071e23a]
If you don't find an OEM pin or substitute, you might want to consider having a machine shop knurl a 5/16x1 pin or knurl your pin. You can control the amount of metal raised during the knurling process which will give you the amount of interference fit you're looking for.
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rusty6
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Thanks again for all the suggestions and help. I think we have a plan to make one. My brother, during coffee and dinner breaks at work got together with the local
machinist and they are going to try and make a different type of pin that will hold the shift rail in place. I haven't taken any pictures or video of it today as
I've been busy spraying chem fallow. Just in for my ten o'clock supper now. Perfect day for spraying.
machinist and they are going to try and make a different type of pin that will hold the shift rail in place. I haven't taken any pictures or video of it today as
I've been busy spraying chem fallow. Just in for my ten o'clock supper now. Perfect day for spraying.
mjsnodgrass
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find someone with a lathe and have them knurl a piece of 5/16 rod. the knurl should hold the pin in place. if not a few drops
of 690 loctite should help it stay in place
of 690 loctite should help it stay in place
Blackhole49
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- White Lake MI
Just take a 5/16 pin and put the grooves in it with a sharp chisel. In an oil environment inside a transmission, if you can
drive it in, it will come back out. And as Barnyard said, who cares.
drive it in, it will come back out. And as Barnyard said, who cares.
caterpillar guy
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No need to make one with a package of 10 from MCmaster Carr for 7.54 USD. 5/16x1 inch. 98400A125 is the part number you are looking for.
flying belgian
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How about a 5/16 x1 pin.take a center
punch and pound some divots in it.
punch and pound some divots in it.
We had a hydraulic line break that feeds the brakes and clutch on our 1130 MF. Brought the broken parts into the local dealership and asked them to make a hose with the same fittings (1/4) and get it running
again. Turned into a huge ordeal. First they said the part wasn't available then they said they couldn't make it without the specs. We had the line in our hand but that wasn't what they wanted. Three days
that tractor was down until We finally found the part online (NLA) but found all the specs on it for the JIC ends and the like. Then they would make the hydraulic line. I am getting so tired of our
dealership I refuse to go in it anymore because I can't stand their parts people.
again. Turned into a huge ordeal. First they said the part wasn't available then they said they couldn't make it without the specs. We had the line in our hand but that wasn't what they wanted. Three days
that tractor was down until We finally found the part online (NLA) but found all the specs on it for the JIC ends and the like. Then they would make the hydraulic line. I am getting so tired of our
dealership I refuse to go in it anymore because I can't stand their parts people.
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rusty6
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I could be facing the same thing on the 7130 magnum. It has a leaking low pressure return line for several years now and might be getting worse. Have not checked CIH availability but might also check the local repair shop. They made me new steering hoses for that tractor a few years ago and they worked find. No trouble at all.
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