Hydraulic hose brackets?

I have an old Deere loader I rigged a dump bucket on. While testing I have the hoses ziptied in place. Do I need to really worry about vibration/rubbing? I'm wondering if I should make some hose brackets or what your solutions might be.


Brandon

while i like neat, but i dont think u need to worry about a hose rubbing out on that unit. but neatnes always counts.

I agree with rustred up to a point. I think there may be some possibility of chaffing at the point I see them heading down past the pivot of the back end of the main loader frame. I will place a link to a great place in Lincoln NE to get hydraulic parts and many other things at economical prices, maybe the clamps shown are a bit fancy. Zip ties and chunks of old heater hose will also work. Just so the hose are not in an area that has a bit of force holding the hoses against a moving part. On another note it would be nice to see a side photo of what you have going on up front. It looks like you are possibly mounting a cylinder to curl the bucket instead of the trip mechanism. If what I am seeing is configured as I think I see it I believe you are headed for immediate failure of the back cylinder mount. ..after looking at the side view I found later what I thought was just a square tube is a much heavier flat bar.. You are going to have to run another angle iron or square tube from near the top of that back cylinder mount to your main pipe frame. I am guessing a 4 to 6 foot long piece. As far as that cylinder mount is from its mount point with the U bolts it creates a ..lever.. to increase the force on the u bolts. If I remember correctly you are a young lad, I am not sure if you have ever been in a position to twist off a half inch bolt ..which has a 3/4 inch hex head.. with a 2 or 3 foot long breaker bar it takes a little doing but you only weigh 200 lbs at the most. It is likely that cylinder can quite likely exert nearly 5 tons or 10,000 lbs. of force even on the old lower pressure Deere system. Also you need to go back to what you hopefully learned in geometry, a triangular is the strongest shape. Next time you are in Walmart or Home Depot look up at the ceiling, those things holding up the roof are called bar joists, they at full of triangles. Adding a support as I am suggesting will create a triangle to ..help.. support your cylinder mount. Well after going back and checking you past posts you are not the same poster I had in mind, you may not be a young buck. Otherwise, I think every thing else I said still applies unless there is something I cannot see from the back view. Now in total hind site I went to your previous post that shows the bucket cylinder mounts, see 2nd link. I am surprised they work as well as they do considering how they are mounted with those U bolts. I take it you do not have a welder. I am certain over time those U bolts will come loose. Especially if you ever attempt to dig earth with the bucket. You could add supports that go clear back to the frame pivot hinges pins. I would think 1 1/4 lip angle iron would be strong enough if it was 3/16 inch thick 1/4 would probably be better. You would have to take them some place an get some suitable plate bars welded on the ends with holes drilled for the rear hinge pin to fit through. Then in the front you could drill and bolt them near the cylinder mount at the front. Just trying to come up with a way that does not require a welder on site.
Surplus center Hose holders

Previous post with loader side view

Thanks for the thoughts, especially on the structure of the cylinder brackets. Your concerns have been in my mind from the beginning. I knew the attachment to the tube frame was a possible problem, and I was going to keep an eye on things. I have two holes drilled in the bar part way down to attach a bar or bracket of some kind to make a triangle

I'm definitely not a structural engineer, I just saw pictures of how Deere did it and made something close. They used C channel. I didn't know if I would get away with the heavy 1 1/4 bar or not.

Thanks for sharing Surplus Center. I used them quite a bit on this project. I probably spent on fittings and hoses on this than it's worth but it's been an interesting project.

Oh, I do have a welder. I shouldn't, and I'd never show off my welds, but I do Haha. I tell the welders at work, I make the parts lighter, you make em heavier. I could weld the supports on but I never have been a fan of doing permanent mods like that, at least for ME

I just tied mine on with twine. Ziptie would be a little neater.

I like yours! I think I overcomplicated mine as usual

Thanks. I do tend to overthink things Haha

Sucks losing a hose on a hydraulic system cause it rubbed through.
Total waste of money
Totally preventable

Can probably tell, I hate when that happens !

Hydralic hose tape. AKA:duct tape.

I think something a little more permanent than zip ties will be needed.

But before making permanent mounts, put it through all the motions and watch what happens. Be sure it's not binding or tight, or rubbing sharp edges, then weld on some brackets to attach the hose grommets, or something more substantial than the zip ties. You don't want it falling down unnoticed and getting snagged or hooked under something and ripping loose.

Looks like it could be a bear to steer with the bucket full of rock.

When it's loaded heavy, yeah it doesn't steer if you're not moving. Once you're moving it's not bad. This pic is before my hydro bucket. I don't think my rig job would take it haha

Well all in all if you welded that bucket together it is not real terrible. I do see one of your beads on the side of the bucket looks a little ..bird dooish.. but oh well. One thing that helps a lot is to get the part in a position where you can weld it flat or horizontal. As in the case of welding the side of that bucket I would have tacked it in place then hefted it around so that would have been flat then welded. You need to read up on welding there are even good videos out to help out beginners. A steady hand is what helps and believe me I have plenty of trouble with that. My up and down or vertical welds are generally not that pretty either. I am more of a grinder than a welder. I work at a refinery, not sure if you know this but most all piping in them is put together with welded joints. Some of those guys can make some incredibly nice looking welds, I should know I am one of the people that inspects them.

The bucket was not welded by me, I got it that way. The bird droppings ARE me. I need to touch a welder more than once a year. And then stick on top of that, which has always been my least practiced. That one is horrible because it is basically a vertical weld the way it was positioned.

I'm not proud of my welding. I just don't do it enough. I'm much happier on a Bridgeport or lathe