Buying diesel

37 chief · Mar 25, 2022

I can fit 7 GI cans across the back of my pickup, and they are easy to fill. If I use all 7 Ican get almost 30 gallons. To day I had only 6 , as I am filling my GI cans one at a time. I was thinking, Why not
just put a 55 gal drum in the back of my pickup, fill it, then using my barrel pump, pump it into my tractor holding tank, which has own 12 v pump. To
day I paid 5.05 for red diesel on the west coast. The owner told me, diesel is going up faster than gas. I wonder why? Stan

Janicholson · Mar 25, 2022

There are very strict regulations on what type and capacity a transported tank can have, and how it is restrained in the truck. If you check with CalDOT, they will spell it out. The fines would not be reasonable. Jim

1939farmall · Mar 25, 2022

Ive been using a 55 gallon drum for fuel as you described for a few years now. It works well for me. In my case I just pick it out of the back of the truck with the loader and sit it on a pallet. I looked into having fuel delivered several years ago and I just didnt use enough to make it worthwhile. It would have cost more than just getting it from the gas station myself.

SVcummins · Mar 25, 2022

Dieeel always goes up Faster that way it hurts the ones that need it the most .

SVcummins · Mar 25, 2022

Diesel has different regulations than gas . I used to haul 2 55 gallon drums to the fuel distributor fill up haul them home and wrap a chain around them one at a time and lift them off with a chain hoist hooked to the rafters

Hawkeye85 · Mar 25, 2022

My guess is it has to do with emissions, diesel is easily seen as producing more harmful emissions, so it is regulated more heavily. It is all related to social change, people will scrutinize what they can immediately see.

Russ from MN · Mar 25, 2022

I don't know how much it rains in your area, or if your truck ever sits out in the rain, but! My BIL used to say guys that haul their diesel in barrels have a lot more injector pump trouble. It's hard to prevent water from getting in the bung holes, when you get a cold rain it cools the tank and it sucks the water on top right in. If you need to haul 50 gallons buy a real fuel tank.

504 · Mar 25, 2022

WE used a 50 gal drum when we were away from the home place for years. We hauled ours with the C 60 Chevy,seed(baged) on the back,fuel on the front.

paul · Mar 25, 2022

In most states you can transport 99 gallon tank or less and be fine.

I wont try to guess what rules California has tho!

Paul

john in la · Mar 25, 2022

Diesel is not regulated under haz mat laws in containers less than 119 gallons. So you can haul a semi load of diesel as long as you keep the individual containers under 119 gallons.

For any containers larger than 119 gallons even if the containers are empty and only contain fumes haz mat laws kick in

SVcummins · Mar 26, 2022

Bill(Wis) · Mar 26, 2022

That explains why my portable tank that fits nicely in a pickup bed holds 110 gallons.

Phil9N3667 · Mar 26, 2022

I use off road fuel in my furnace, get it at the truck stop six miles from the house. I tie two 55 gallon barrels together in the truck, tied down with four ratchet straps. Off road is $4.699 now, hurts to buy it!!

Bill(Wis) · Mar 26, 2022

Here's what I use in the back of my pickup truck. Also sometimes carry it around on front forks. Mine holds 110 gallons.

Geo-TH,In · Mar 26, 2022

SV
I don't burn that much diesel.
Feb 28 I had to use 1000 kroger fuel points, so I filled five 5 gallon diesel cans and got a buck off a gallon. Saved $25. I don't remember what the price was at the end of February. 25 gallons may last me all year. I use less than a gallon each time I mow.. I hope my Kubota likes winter blend in the summer..

Hoofer B · Mar 26, 2022

Or get an aluminum fuel tank off of a semi. The brackets that go to the frame rail can be positioned down so you have a flat base. Bill

john in la · Mar 26, 2022

Aluminum fuel tanks off of a semi are usually over 119 gallons.
This makes it illegal for the common lay person to use them as a diesel transport container.

So how can these tanks be used as fuel tanks on a semi.
Because any 15 year old can tell you cars have gas tanks of 20 or so gallons and big trucks have large diesel tanks.
But even the most experienced fireman can not pick out what pickup has 200 gallons of diesel in the bed of the truck.

And why did the DOT pick such as odd number as 119 gallons.
119 gallons is 450 liters a nice round number.

As stated by another poster the fines can be high.
Just ask the company with a $75 million judgment against them about not putting proper placards on a truck.

JimS · Mar 26, 2022

You nailed it. I was about to post that exact same thing. Stay under 119 and you should be ok but also use approved containers in CA. A 55 gal drum will earn a citation. Also, CHP has been known to cite people using the old fuel containers with vents. I have seen CHP pull into fuel stations and look at the containers people are filling.

Fordy20 · Mar 26, 2022

When we used cans to haul diesel for our backhoes we had nothing but trouble guessing due to condensation or water getting in the cans. I think a barrel would be even worse for water. Get a real fuel tank and a pump with a good filter to separate water and you're tractor will be a lot happier. Diesel up to 110 gallons can be transported in a tank designed for it. Gas may be a different story.

37 chief · Mar 26, 2022

I will not leave it in a 55 gal drum I will drain it into my storage tank that has a filter to remove water, and anything else. Then I pump it into my tractor, as needed. stan

danofarming · Mar 26, 2022

119 gallons has to do with Gasoline and 1000 pounds.

john in la · Mar 26, 2022

1000 pounds divided by 6.3 pounds (the weight of gasoline per gallon) equals 158.73 gallons.
I guess that is close enough to 119 gallons to call it good enough for government work.

Texasmark · Mar 26, 2022

I have 3 55 gallon barrels in an old Chevy PU bed trailer. Io have cheapest 12v fuel pump sold by TSC 20 or so years ago. When my tanks get empty, I go to town and fill up with red diesel. Use Power Services injector cleaner-Cetane booster per label instructions.

NEVER HAD A PROBEM. So go sell that to somebody else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

37 chief · Mar 26, 2022

I have a tank with a pump and filter. It's too much trouble to load and unload the tank. It's easier to bring diesel to the tank. Stan

buickanddeere · Mar 26, 2022

Ontario limits Class III fuel transportation to 230 liters in Jerry Cans and TDG tanks in pickup truck beds are limited by 454litres .
Two 10lb BC fire extinguishers are required or one 20BC extinguisher.

buickanddeere · Mar 26, 2022

Ontario limits Class III fuel transportation to 230 liters in Jerry Cans and TDG tanks in pickup truck beds are limited by 454litres .
Two 10lb BC fire extinguishers are required or one 20BC extinguisher.

caterpillar guy · Mar 27, 2022

If the bungs are set cross ways to the tilt they will not set under water in a rain and will nont suck in water heating ans cooling. Just put a board or 2x4 under the one side for that. We haul in both a 55 gallon barrel and in a old truck tank with a pump in it. I made up from a 100 gallon tank. Both work ok. I put a check valve in for a vent so as not to suck the tank in.

Bret4207 · Mar 28, 2022

(quoted from post at 11:28:06 03/26/22) Aluminum fuel tanks off of a semi are usually over 119 gallons.
This makes it illegal for the common lay person to use them as a diesel transport container.

[b:de3db63dfb]So how can these tanks be used as fuel tanks on a semi.[/b:de3db63dfb]
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I was told the difference is because one is a fuel tank for a vehicle, even if it is a CMV, and the other is a container for transporting a Haz Mat. One is in "the book" (FMCSR) and the other isn't. Once you remove the fuel tank from the semi and use it as a transport container you jump back into the FMCSR.

BarnyardEngineering · Mar 28, 2022

You can do anything you want, including following or ignoring regulations as you see fit.

How many times do you encounter the law on your way to the gas station? Unless you give them a reason to pull you over they're going to leave an old farmer in an old truck with a 55 gallon drum in the back alone.

Most regulations only exist in case there's a problem.

Bill(Wis) · Mar 28, 2022

Stan on a recent diesel buying spree. (;>))

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