anyone know what these numbers mean ?

Anyone know what these numbers mean. I either have a massey ferguson workbull industrial or a tea 20 i think

Those numbers are casting number so not much to go by. There should be a plate some place or other such that gives model number etc.

It's not a work bull. I don't think it's a
massey. The loader is interesting.

Stan

It has MF on the front between the lights















This post was edited by tonyof757 on 03/20/2022 at 07:28 pm.

(quoted from post at 19:15:01 03/20/22) It's not a work bull. I don't think it's a
massey. The loader is interesting.

Stan

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Stan, the "<MHF>" identifies it for sure as a "Massey Harris Ferguson", that symbol was used for a few years between "Massey Harris" and "Massey Ferguson".

"In 1891, Massey Manufacturing joined with A. Harris, Son and Company and formed Massey Harris Company Limited. In 1953, they merged with Harry Ferguson Limited and formed Massey-Harris-Ferguson Limited which was shortened to Massey-Ferguson Limited in 1957."

I don't know how long after 1957 the <MHF> symbol might have been used on a casting, though.

To the O.P., likely the "A 20 V" is a date code, indicating when the part was cast to those who have the "key" to the date code.

What is the exact "E400..." number shown in the first photo, try GOOGLING that and any other numbers you may find of similar length, you may get a "hit" on one of the casting numbers that will lead to a model number.

With the loader on the emblem I would say its an industrial
model the farm tractor emblem wouldnt have a loader on it is
my guess

I'm going to guess that it is a workbull. Also going to guess the age to be 1955 to 1957. The fuel tank is looking very Massey-Harris but the hood looks Massey-Ferguson.

Your front looks very similar to my 1958 MF 202 Work Bull. You don't have a 202, but it is from that era. My grill says MF, but there are parts that say MHF. Your motor may have a metal tag, that may help with ID.

Your backhoe says it is a Midwestern 210. My backhoe looks very similar and it is a MF 185. The MF 185 was built by Midwestern under the Davis name. MF bought out Midwestern.

I've never seen a loader like that one.

Here is some history that I came across some time ago.

In 1953, long-established Canadian agricultural equipment company Massey-Harris acquired the tractor-building business of Harry Ferguson Inc. Under the new name of Massey-Harris-Ferguson Inc., the company marketed a backhoe-loader outfit consisting of a Massey-Harris Work Bull industrial tractor fitted with a Davis model 500 loader and a model 185 backhoe attachment made by Mid-Western Industries of Wichita, Kan.
This hoe had a digging depth of 13 feet, a dump height of 10 feet, and was mounted on a sturdy rear-mounted frame incorporating independently controlled stabilizer feet. A range of bucket sizes from 12 to 36 inches was offered. The -yard loader bucket could apply 3,000 pounds of breakout force.
This well-advanced machine for its day boasted a heavy king post with sealed ball bearings, horizontal hydraulic cylinders to swing the hoe, and hydraulic relief valves to protect the system from shocks. For hoe operation, a separate seat revolved with the hoe boom so the operator always faced his work. The entire hoe and frame assembly could be easily detached to allow the tractor to be used by itself as a loader.
In 1957, Massey-Harris-Ferguson purchased Mid-Western Industries and changed the company's name to Massey-Ferguson Ltd. (M-F). This purchase marked the company's first move into industrial and construction equipment, and established Massey-Ferguson's Industrial Division at Wichita, Kan. Two years later, M-F replaced the earlier Work Bull tractors with a new backhoe-loader combination based on the 37-hp Massey-Ferguson 702 tractor with model 710 backhoe and 702 loader. It was one of the first to feature a sliding king post enabling flush digging alongside walls and fences.
Building on this successful start, the company broadened its backhoe-loader range to seven models by the end of the 1960s. These included the backhoe-loader combination model 250/252 based on the M-F 3303 tractor. This model offered digging depths down to 13 feet 6 inches and a 60-hp engine. Meanwhile, M-F expanded its earthmoving equipment line further with a number of significant purchases: an excavator factory at Aprilla, Italy, in 1968; the Lorain wheel loader line in 1971; and the Hanomag crawler tractor business in Germany in 1974.

This post was edited by brooktre on 03/20/2022 at 08:26 pm.

Maybe a 406 Industrial?

This looks like a Massey Harris workbull 303, an industrial tractor based on the massey harris 333 farm tractor.
I can see the typical massey harris cast tub frame, on which an industrial massey ferguson workbull 202 hood nose has been bolted on at the usual front cultivator attachment points. I believe the front of the hood is not factory.

This should be a very rare tractor, without much info about them.
The engine should be a continental 208.

This post was edited by fdt860 on 03/20/2022 at 08:40 pm.

This thing will lift anything its strong as an ox. problem is without the backhoe attachment which i sold because i couldn't get the rear hydraulics to work its really light in the back I put 2 bags of cement on the foot trays on either side to keep it from lifting its self up in the back on real heavy loads. The guy took the mounts too so i cant create a box blade or anything I got suckered but i can't do nothing about it now. trying to get it to run after 2 years . thanks for the history lesson. i still don't know exactly what it is . i may need to order a carburator or points or both and dont know if i can get the exact parts. Since this is a classic. Someone give me 5 grand and come get it. I was born in 1975 this is before my time. I like bobcat and mustand skidsteers and terramite tractors with kohler motors. Not too big and not too small and just the right size to get though fence gates and do landscaping and small concrete jobs

This post was edited by tonyof757 on 03/20/2022 at 09:00 pm.

Born in 1975 I was already in the Navy and out your way up and down the east coast. There are many way to add weight to the rear end even with out a 3 point or the backhoe or its mounts. Been there done that on many machines but I am also a metal fabricator and too many other type work so sort of a jack of many trades. I have a tractor much like that one by the way. As for parts well that is easy if you have a god parts store with good people behind the counter. If I have problem with parts I take the part with me so they can compare them and find a match

I hear ya. I had some land cleared and was using this to clean everything up so I could burn and drove right into a stump hole. Took me 4 hours to get free and I called someone else with a john deer backhoe that had a thumb attachment and he was dancing all over the yard throwing logs 10 -12 inches around like twigs. I parked this thing and didnt mess with since now it won't start

To bad your so far from me I could rig up a weight that would have you working it like a dozier

That's what I would say as well... MHF 303 Work Bull

Ben

(quoted from post at 22:10:10 03/20/22) To bad your so far from me I could rig up a weight that would have you working it like a dozier

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i got a welder and some gas money and beer

(quoted from post at 00:31:09 03/21/22) This looks like a Massey Harris workbull 303, an industrial tractor based on the massey harris 333 farm tractor.
I can see the typical massey harris cast tub frame, on which an industrial massey ferguson workbull 202 hood nose has been bolted on at the usual front cultivator attachment points. I believe the front of the hood is not factory.

This should be a very rare tractor, without much info about them.
The engine should be a continental 208.

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That is the closest to the truth I've seen posted yet I think. The tractor itself is Massey Harris. The posted pictures of the carb and intake manifold is the same as what is on a MH 33 or 333 engine, probably others as well.

The MHF was used on many castings after the MH and Ferguson merger for a few years, I have never been able to definitely determine when it was dropped.

I have a Work Bull 202 with MHF badges on it that is based on an industrial MF 35. It has the Davis 185 backhoe.




















This post was edited by Carlmac 369 on 03/21/2022 at 08:09 am.

The block was cast by Continental Engine Company for sure, you can see the three letters (C,E, and L) intertwined in a logo above the numbers. I've seen that on the Continental F400 series 4-cylinder flathead blocks from earlier years (124, 140 and 162 cubic inch versions). The bottom numbers might be some kind of a date or factory code, you can see the interchangeable slot-head screw outline in the tag that they attached to the sand casting mold.

The emblem for the farm tractor has the tractor pulling a plow
If I remember right .

(quoted from post at 22:10:10 03/20/22) To bad your so far from me I could rig up a weight that would have you working it like a dozier

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Thanks for taking my call today old.

Your not the first I have tried ot help by phone and I am sure your not going to be the last either. Call any time you need fast help