larry@stinescorner
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Dont know if its true,,but just saw that Russia supplies a lot of fertilizer is going to cut off the supply?
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grandpa Love
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Lots of fertilizer.......... On social media, I doubt there will be a shortage of that! Lol
fixerupper
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As i understand it the US imports only 16% of Russia exported fertilizer. So there will not be a shortage in the US but other countries will suffer. Where the US farmers will suffer is in the pocketbook.
coonie minnie
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Local supplier stopped pricing some ingredients this past week...
crsutton81
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Local supply here at the 2 main fertlizer companies are tight. When you pin down the salesmen as to if they can guarantee the quantity that you have received in the past years, they start sweating bullets. This includes both liquid and dry.
tomstractorsandtoys
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The fertlizer for this growing season is already in the US. It could affect fall needs but to many companies are using this all as a reason to raise prices. With the high price of grains they know farmers can afford to pay. Tom
Jim in NC
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I got mine for the hay ground earlier this week. So far it seems to be around here, but supplies are tight and one may have to order it and wait a day or 2 for more to be delivered to the supplier. Prices change daily. Like thoes that posted recently about topping off their fuel tanks I should have gotten mine 2 to 3 weeks ago.
Richard G.
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Larry, our oldest son has 5 broiler houses and uses chicken litter for fertilizer on all his land.
Saves him a bunch of money and makes good crops.
Saves him a bunch of money and makes good crops.
coonie minnie
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I agree, they aren't complaining about the supply chain anymore...
Turkeyfoot
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Ken Macfarlane
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Canada and Russia are major potash producers. Low prices a few years ago closed our local potash mine.
Relatively little Russian fertilizer makes it to the USA. But Russia did sell a lot of fertilizer around the globe.
With those supplies cut off now, the whole world is going to be short on fertilizer. This will affect USA prices and supplies, as other countries reach out and grab some.
Very similar to petroleum prices and supplies. We dont get much from Russia, but with no country buying from Russia, the whole world becomes short on fuel and prices go up.
It is a problem.
Not so much directly, but between politics, hoarding, and actual shortages around the globe, it is a problem.
In Ag we are facing fuel and fertilizer and weed control supply issues. Parts supply issues. Bad weather in South America. And potential bad weather in China and USA (dry which only hurts winter wheat right now, but if we dont get some moisture it has potential to become a bigger problem.) then the war is disrupting ag in Central Europe/ Asia which has the potential to wreck half the normal wheat crop that is grown in that region.
If all the worst of this comes together at the same time, we will be in for an interesting 24 months of food issues. We wont go hungry, but it could be interesting.
On the other hand if the weather straightens out and some sort of politics sorts out in the next 45 days then there wont be any issue at all and these high grain prices will evaporate.
So...... many farmers are kind of on edge, a lot of dollars on both sides of the ledger sheet are extremely affected.
Much of this has been in effect for 6 months already, if you are just noticing any of it now, you are way behind!
Paul
With those supplies cut off now, the whole world is going to be short on fertilizer. This will affect USA prices and supplies, as other countries reach out and grab some.
Very similar to petroleum prices and supplies. We dont get much from Russia, but with no country buying from Russia, the whole world becomes short on fuel and prices go up.
It is a problem.
Not so much directly, but between politics, hoarding, and actual shortages around the globe, it is a problem.
In Ag we are facing fuel and fertilizer and weed control supply issues. Parts supply issues. Bad weather in South America. And potential bad weather in China and USA (dry which only hurts winter wheat right now, but if we dont get some moisture it has potential to become a bigger problem.) then the war is disrupting ag in Central Europe/ Asia which has the potential to wreck half the normal wheat crop that is grown in that region.
If all the worst of this comes together at the same time, we will be in for an interesting 24 months of food issues. We wont go hungry, but it could be interesting.
On the other hand if the weather straightens out and some sort of politics sorts out in the next 45 days then there wont be any issue at all and these high grain prices will evaporate.
So...... many farmers are kind of on edge, a lot of dollars on both sides of the ledger sheet are extremely affected.
Much of this has been in effect for 6 months already, if you are just noticing any of it now, you are way behind!
Paul
DoubleO7
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Availability and price will depend on what the fertilizer ingredients are.
Russia exports around nine billion dollars worth a year.
USA exports around seven billion dollars worth a year.
The countries that import from Russia will be bidding up prices to fill their needs.
And if possible USA companies will gladly fill the need.
So USA farmers will have to compete with more $$ to get what they need.I
On top of Russia halting exports, our own sleepy joe is putting steep tariffs on Belarus potash starting
in April.
Russian exports halted
Russia exports around nine billion dollars worth a year.
USA exports around seven billion dollars worth a year.
The countries that import from Russia will be bidding up prices to fill their needs.
And if possible USA companies will gladly fill the need.
So USA farmers will have to compete with more $$ to get what they need.I
On top of Russia halting exports, our own sleepy joe is putting steep tariffs on Belarus potash starting
in April.
Russian exports halted
Manure is a great fertilizer, of course. In very simple terms 2 tons of poultry litter, or 6000 gallons of hog manure, or 10-20 tons of dairy/ beef manure can mostly fertilize an acre for 200bu corn. (These are very rough numbers; actual testing and such is used for real application amounts....)
But, all the manure is being used. I buy some hog manure from a neighbor. I wanted to apply another 90 acres last fall, but the neighbor was already sold out last May for last fall application. Because Im so close he did get me 15 acres worth basically cleaning out his last bit of pits.
So often we are told to forget commercial fertilizer and just use manure. Well, its not like there are piles of manure sitting around going to waste. Im paying $100-200 and acre to get the hog manure. There is a shortage of manure already, for many years.
Paul
But, all the manure is being used. I buy some hog manure from a neighbor. I wanted to apply another 90 acres last fall, but the neighbor was already sold out last May for last fall application. Because Im so close he did get me 15 acres worth basically cleaning out his last bit of pits.
So often we are told to forget commercial fertilizer and just use manure. Well, its not like there are piles of manure sitting around going to waste. Im paying $100-200 and acre to get the hog manure. There is a shortage of manure already, for many years.
Paul
Demand is what raises commodity prices, both farm outputs and farm inputs. Farmers themselves are who is bidding up fertilizer prices. Is anyone actually cutting back on fertilizer rates yet or are we all still shooting for maximum yields instead of shifting towards maximum profits? When grain prices drop back to traditional $3 corn and $7 soybeans the most profitable fertilizer levels will shift a lot lower until fertilizer prices fall back to normal levels again too.
steve_in_mo
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They will be fine - if they have hedged their sales price and purchased crop insurance.
If they don't do those things, they are more adventurous gamblers than I could be.
If they don't do those things, they are more adventurous gamblers than I could be.
I bought my fertilizer in December. Last year I paid $535/ton for anhydrous ammonia. This growing season $1540/ton for anhydrous. 11-52-0 which is my source for phosphorus which was $578/ton last year and I paid $985/ton in December for this year. 0-0-60 is my fertilizer for potassium. Last year I paid $365/ton and in December I paid $815/ton. Yes, phosphorus and potassium are expensive, but by far the anhydrous ammonia is the biggest additional chunk I had to pay. Liquid nitrogen (28% and 32%) and urea are even more expensive as a nitrogen source. This was all before the invasion. I stopped by my fertilizer provider on Tuesday and my salesman said prices have not really raised much if any since the Russian invasion. Most of the fertilizer has already been paid for and a great deal has already been applied for the 2022 growing season. The phosphorus and potassium yet to be applied for 2022 probably is on inventory somewhere in the US if not already at the local retailer. Next year could be a different story with even higher prices. In the short run you might be able to cut back on phosphorus and potassium, but it takes nitrogen to produce corn whether from artificial sources, manure, or legumes. Most farmers figure that for every bushel of corn per acre it takes roughly 1 pound of nitrogen - 200 bushel corn takes short of 200 pounds of nitrogen per acre. Some nitrogen can come from the prior years crop of soybeans (legume)and from mineralization of organic matter. Myself I apply 168# of nitrogen per acre and have a yield goal of 200 bushels per acre in a corn/soybean rotation. The whole situation is a mess. Farmers do not like it. Retailers do not like it.
crsutton81
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It's definitely making me nervous. We're locking in what traditional needed inputs as cheap as possible with no guarantee that it will be received. It's still off the charts. If you're depending on insurance to bail you out in a bind, then you're setting yourself up from the get go for a disaster.
john in la
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Quote:
EVART, Mich., March 8, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Michigan Potash & Salt Company, LLC (MPSC) today announced that American farmers could replace Russian fertilizer imports with long-term domestic supply produced in Michigan within the next 3.5 years. Currently, the U.S. imports approximately 96 percent of the potash necessary for healthy crops including 1 million short tons per year from Russia as per the Department of Interior. Together, Russia and Belarus control 40 percent of the World's potash supply.
The world suppliers of potash are Canada Russia and China in that order.
EVART, Mich., March 8, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- Michigan Potash & Salt Company, LLC (MPSC) today announced that American farmers could replace Russian fertilizer imports with long-term domestic supply produced in Michigan within the next 3.5 years. Currently, the U.S. imports approximately 96 percent of the potash necessary for healthy crops including 1 million short tons per year from Russia as per the Department of Interior. Together, Russia and Belarus control 40 percent of the World's potash supply.
The world suppliers of potash are Canada Russia and China in that order.
1948CaseVAI
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It is our fault for interfering in their affairs.
True that supply is probably at nearly all retailers in the Midwest if not already at the farm. Here in the NE we typically do not plant corn until may and quite a bit of the associated needs applied just prior to or at planting. My supplier just the week prior to this week was still waiting on a huge percent of his 2022 inventory to be shipped to him. He was not doing prepay on anything that was not in stock and he had not received anything since last December. Some suppliers were taking payment without inventory on hand. In a normal year that would work as forecasting would predict prices going into spring. Now everything has been knocked on its ear. I predict many upset farmers who thought prices would be X but they turned out to be Y and not in their favor. If a price was made last fall prior to the upsets I would bet a surcharge will be assessed to make up the difference between last fall's price and the price hot off the rail car today.
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A farmer on y - tube has a channel in which he says he is going off synthetic fertilizer for 2022. He said synthetic fertilize has become too expensive for his operation. His operation couldn't survive these fertilize prices. He is going to use mushroom compost to replace fertilize to raise his corn & soybeans . He said the the carbon-nitrogen ratio tested out @ 8.5 to 1 which is ideal for growing these crops. He also has just applied enough pulverized ag lime to get his pH to 6.5 on his fields. This releases phosphorus in the soil to make it more plant available. He won't reveal all his secrets. There is a secret sauce as he calls it that is applied to his fields during growing season. He won;t say what it is, but is likely a type of soil amendment that activates soil microbes to release more of the 3 major crop nutrients to growing plants. He claims he is going to no-till starting this year to reduce fuel costs and then planting cover crops this fall to make more nutrients available for the 2023 crop. He says there is much we don't know about soil biology and how to manage microbes to release nutrients already in our topsoil.
larry@stinescorner
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thats the One Lonely Farmer,,here in NJ!!
Liquid_wrench
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Almost spit out my coffee on that one!
Traditional Farmer
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There is also much known that is pretty much ignored by so called mainstream agriculture.Neal Kinsey has written several excellent books on soil science.A lot of fertilizer is wasted because of low Calcium levels.
I get real skeptical of secret sauces that do something no one else knows.........
Yea, ok.
Otherwise the general theme is just fine of what he says.
But - any source of fertilizer is costing much more, everyone prices to match market conditions. The 30 acres of hog manure I got last fall is costing 1/3 more as it did a year ago. I would think the mushroom biomass would likewise cost as much more as any other fertilizer.
Just no free rides any more.
I think more folk get hurt making a knee jerk reaction in a year like this than to stay the course and make modest, small changes. If you do something drastically different and you lose out on $6 corn when something you dont understand goes wrong on you, that can hurt a lot worse in the pocketbook than just working with what you know and making things work positively.
Hope it works out for him.
Paul
Yea, ok.
Otherwise the general theme is just fine of what he says.
But - any source of fertilizer is costing much more, everyone prices to match market conditions. The 30 acres of hog manure I got last fall is costing 1/3 more as it did a year ago. I would think the mushroom biomass would likewise cost as much more as any other fertilizer.
Just no free rides any more.
I think more folk get hurt making a knee jerk reaction in a year like this than to stay the course and make modest, small changes. If you do something drastically different and you lose out on $6 corn when something you dont understand goes wrong on you, that can hurt a lot worse in the pocketbook than just working with what you know and making things work positively.
Hope it works out for him.
Paul
Traditional Farmer
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I have a very fertile garden and raise excellent produce every year.Haven't used any chemical fertilizers in over 20 years.Actually at this point all chemical fertilizer would do at this point is to screw things up.
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