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Traditional Farmer
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We mounted an IH mower on an Oliver 77 by bolting a steel angle to the draw bar assembly to hook the mower to,30 draw bar is similar.
redforlife
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I grew up with mounted mowers, and went to pull types. And I for one, wouldn't go back. Have you ever ran one? Sure you want one?
Although a tad handier to get into tight locations, they have thier down falls to go along with it. They are harder to hook up. You don't just drop a pin, hook up pto and hoses, and then go. They don't trail like a pull type, and don't mow right on a turn. And, a lot of mounted mowers that have age on them, have a pitman stick. What a treat those are!!! If sickle gets jammed up (rock, stick, wire grass), you don't just slip a belt on a pulley, you break the pitman stick. And you are out of business until you replace the stick. And when you do, it has to be one with the
same length. Many of the pitman stick variaties had a gear box that contained an internal slip clutch. That was suppose to be your breaking point instead of the pitman stick. If it went out, you'd have to take the gear box apart to fix it. Replacing pitman sticks was actual easier to do, than messing with that slip clutch if it went out. Head ache after head ache. Typing this brings back to many memories. LOL.
Anyways, if you buy one, you'll likely have to find or make your own mounting brackets. That is, if it came off of something that had a different set up than a Cockshutt 30.
Although a tad handier to get into tight locations, they have thier down falls to go along with it. They are harder to hook up. You don't just drop a pin, hook up pto and hoses, and then go. They don't trail like a pull type, and don't mow right on a turn. And, a lot of mounted mowers that have age on them, have a pitman stick. What a treat those are!!! If sickle gets jammed up (rock, stick, wire grass), you don't just slip a belt on a pulley, you break the pitman stick. And you are out of business until you replace the stick. And when you do, it has to be one with the
same length. Many of the pitman stick variaties had a gear box that contained an internal slip clutch. That was suppose to be your breaking point instead of the pitman stick. If it went out, you'd have to take the gear box apart to fix it. Replacing pitman sticks was actual easier to do, than messing with that slip clutch if it went out. Head ache after head ache. Typing this brings back to many memories. LOL.
Anyways, if you buy one, you'll likely have to find or make your own mounting brackets. That is, if it came off of something that had a different set up than a Cockshutt 30.
Mike(NEOhio)
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I have a COOP mower run on an E3 and I use it on an E4 now. The book has a chart showing how to set it up for different makes and models. I'd think most mowers of that era would be similar. Beware, mounted sickles will flex over uneven ground but are limited in range. They may not handle your ditches and ponds. They're also kind of tricky along fences and treelines.
caterpillar guy
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Why O why would anybody consider anything 3 pt. Such a pain to get put on and never no mater how much you block and prop and block it still moves or settles so it will not go on without a fight. Only consideration would be a quick hitch for that. I hate hooking the planter to the lift arms with only them to do and the hoses and wires.
fixerupper
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You can use your imagination and rig up any kind of mount. Make it stronger than you think it needs to be because of the vibration. Like what was mentioned a#5 Deere owners manual will show different styles of mounts. It is nice to have a dedicated tractor on a mounted mower to keep your religion clean.
From the very first mower on the farm untill around 2000 only had mowers with a pitman and there NEVER WAS ONE THAT BROKE. Got some different mowers with a broke stick but it was because the mower was not taken care of by leaving it out all year in all types of weather never putting the mower in side. But we NEVER had a stick break and mowed hundreds of acres a year at times. And the semi mount did make as nice a turn as the 3 point hitch or the tractor pull type. The horse mower with the cutter bar in front of the wheels is what did not make a nice square corner. And I have ran all 4 types, only thing did not have was side mount. Had the semi mount on a John Deere B , A Farmall H and a Ferguson TO30. It was a Coop I bought needing a lot of work in early 60's and due to, TOO high or Ferguson, TOO low. The trail type will not put the end of the bar in the fence like either a fully mounted or a semi mounted will do on a left hand turn. Right hand turns no problems. I started mowing with a David Bradly horse drawn mower that also came with the tractor hitch when new and second mower I bought myself in I think 1958 and it was the first horse drawn mower that carried a John Deere name and our last mower was an Oliver pull type that was exact same as Moline or Cockshut except collor of paint and it had the hitch to pull a hay conditioner with that we did for several years.
fixerupper
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When I was a kid a neighbor had a Deere #5 mower on 1940 Deere B. He claimed he could hit the right brake and the steering wheel would spin itself to make the right turn. I guess I have never had a problem making a nice right turn with a semi mount mower on a narrow front. Not so good with a wide front.
redforlife
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I sure would like to know what you was mowing to of never broken a stick. I'm guessing nothing that mowed very tuff such as brome grass, or alfalfa. Certainly not prairie hay with wire grass in it, or nothing like that. Wire grass will test out a mower in brand new shape. Especially on a dry year. If it freezes the sickle from motion, something is going to break. If you've ever mowed any of it, you'll know what I'm talking about.
It's moreso on the left hand turn
that mounted mowers don't mow right. The bar kind of goes sideways into the grass as you turn the circular motion. The right hand turn not so much if you make sharp 90 degree turns. If not making sharp right turns, the bar won't cut it's full width is what happens. A good style pull type, pretty much eliminates these affects.
I'm not old enough to of gotten in on using the horse drawn. But have seen enough of them to know the bar is in front of the wheel. That would kind of qualify you as running a side mount as well, I would think. I have ran mowers as new as a 456 new holland pull type. I'm guessing that is a little newer and improved than an oliver pull type. Pull types were improved a little as time went along, same as it was for the mounted.
I likewise have put some hay down in my day. Still put down about 125 big rounds a year. All by sickle mower.
It's moreso on the left hand turn
that mounted mowers don't mow right. The bar kind of goes sideways into the grass as you turn the circular motion. The right hand turn not so much if you make sharp 90 degree turns. If not making sharp right turns, the bar won't cut it's full width is what happens. A good style pull type, pretty much eliminates these affects.
I'm not old enough to of gotten in on using the horse drawn. But have seen enough of them to know the bar is in front of the wheel. That would kind of qualify you as running a side mount as well, I would think. I have ran mowers as new as a 456 new holland pull type. I'm guessing that is a little newer and improved than an oliver pull type. Pull types were improved a little as time went along, same as it was for the mounted.
I likewise have put some hay down in my day. Still put down about 125 big rounds a year. All by sickle mower.
Matthewthomas50
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The simple answer is yes; you can attach a mower to the tractor you indicated. You may have to remove the swinging drawbar to do so, and possibly fabricate mounts depending on the mower you purchase.
I mow prairie hay every year triticale and clover with my sickle mower broke one pitman going to close to a rock pile and the rock hit the stick and snapped it before I could get stopped or you know how to operate a tractor it takes less than five minutes to hook up a semi mount mower . Why is you slip clutch going out ? Fell asleep and kept driving when it started to slip ? Maybe thats why the pitman broke ? .
blueridge
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Dad had a John Deere #5 Mower mounted on a WC Allis, Used it for many years.
Carlmac 369
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Yeah. Those 3 point hitch setups are something else alright.
They first showed up when? Mid to late 1920's? Eventually all tractor manufacturers conspired to make the 3 point hitch the standard implement hookup system.
We've all been subjected to that inferior contraption for as far back as I can recall. There has to be government involvement in this conspiracy as well. How else could such an abomination be forced upon the multitudes of farmers?
What is their objective with this powerplay?
Can't be anything but good for those in the know with the power and bad for the poor hard working little guy who is destined to be forever saddled with the atrocity of the 3 point hitch.
Makes my blood boil don't you know.
:wink:
This post was edited by Carlmac 369 on 03/07/2022 at 06:11 am.
I am on the dowmword slop to 79 and side mounts were not used on anything but road mower tractors and I never worked for the goverment to have a chance at that. I actually only know of one farmer that had a side mount and he did not make any hay. That mower mounted on a Ford 2N is now in the hands of a Ferguson collector.
BarnyardEngineering
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Isn't it funny how we tell kids "practice makes perfect" but the first time we're faced with a challenge we throw up our hands and proclaim that something is a poorly designed piece of junk?
Carlmac 369
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This post was edited by Carlmac 369 on 03/07/2022 at 08:10 am.
redforlife
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When slip clutch works properly, it allows slippage so you DON'T break the pitman stick. It's suppose to slip, so you do 't break the stick. It's kind of a preventative measure, and can be kind of a fine line between slipping, and breaking the stick instead. So it's possible to break the stick anyways.
If slip clutch fails, it's doesn't fail to slip. It fails to not slip. So, it might run the sickle when your just sitting there, but put the bar in the grass to mow, and it'll slip instead of running the sickle. Then you have to fix it. If it's one that's inside a gear box, it can be a chore.
Maybe mowing tuff wire grass in true prairie hay field is a local thing. Maybe accounts for this being un-heard of for you guys. But I'm surprised you guys have never mowed into some actual wire, piece of chain, electric fence post, steel post, a stick of wood, small tree stump, or a big gob of plastic baling twine and never broke a pitman stick or had a related problem. Even a good operator I think, would have to mow into something once in awhile that they didn't see in the grass. And you certainly don't always knock out a section, or break a guard. Break something else.
Maybe I've just seen some tuffer going than most. I don't know.
If slip clutch fails, it's doesn't fail to slip. It fails to not slip. So, it might run the sickle when your just sitting there, but put the bar in the grass to mow, and it'll slip instead of running the sickle. Then you have to fix it. If it's one that's inside a gear box, it can be a chore.
Maybe mowing tuff wire grass in true prairie hay field is a local thing. Maybe accounts for this being un-heard of for you guys. But I'm surprised you guys have never mowed into some actual wire, piece of chain, electric fence post, steel post, a stick of wood, small tree stump, or a big gob of plastic baling twine and never broke a pitman stick or had a related problem. Even a good operator I think, would have to mow into something once in awhile that they didn't see in the grass. And you certainly don't always knock out a section, or break a guard. Break something else.
Maybe I've just seen some tuffer going than most. I don't know.
redforlife
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I'm not sure if I want to jump in on
this or not. LOL. But here goes.
I will say that 3 point was one heck
of an improvement. Beat the heck out
of mounted or semi mounted equipment
without it. But I will say that modern
pull type equipment is superior to
that of 3 point when it comes to
convenience of hooking up and un-
hooking. I think pull type mower
versus a 3 point mounted mower would
fit into that equation. Just my
opinion.
this or not. LOL. But here goes.
I will say that 3 point was one heck
of an improvement. Beat the heck out
of mounted or semi mounted equipment
without it. But I will say that modern
pull type equipment is superior to
that of 3 point when it comes to
convenience of hooking up and un-
hooking. I think pull type mower
versus a 3 point mounted mower would
fit into that equation. Just my
opinion.
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