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Are there any older square balers that I can run with my Kubota L2800 compact tractor. It's rated at 23hp at the pto. It has weighted tires. Are there any models of used equipment that would work?
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fastfarmall
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I pulled a 269 New Holland with a H Farmall, that's is a 28 horse power tractor, Max, the plunger that pushs back the bale ,is what takes the power, just feed it slow,you will be ok,any 14x18 baler takes about the same power!
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I've got an Oliver 100 baler that is powered by a VE4 Wisconsin engine. That being said, I wouldn't recommend that you bale thousands of bales with it per year.
We also had a NH 269 baler that my dad bought new way back in the late '60s or early '70s. Mom still has it parked behind her farm in the weeds. The majority of the hundreds of thousands of bales we made with that thing was done with a John Deere G that didn't have a live PTO. My two older brothers were gone one day and my dad made me learn real quick how to drive it and bale hay, with him on the trailer stacking. Most people here won't believe it, but that was the summer before I entered first grade. You had to do what you had to do.
We also had a NH 269 baler that my dad bought new way back in the late '60s or early '70s. Mom still has it parked behind her farm in the weeds. The majority of the hundreds of thousands of bales we made with that thing was done with a John Deere G that didn't have a live PTO. My two older brothers were gone one day and my dad made me learn real quick how to drive it and bale hay, with him on the trailer stacking. Most people here won't believe it, but that was the summer before I entered first grade. You had to do what you had to do.
how much and what are you wanting to bale and is the ground steep or not, that is 3 of the factors you will need to consider on a small tractor. Neighbor custom baled with a D-10 AC and a New Holland 273 if I
remember the baler model correct on mostly hilly ground but pulled the baler only. It doesn't require a lot of hp to run a square baler if you don't try to feed it at full capacity, we used our 1835 MF inline
on a 50 HP tractor and depending on what and how your baling it can handle it with ease to knowing its back there.
remember the baler model correct on mostly hilly ground but pulled the baler only. It doesn't require a lot of hp to run a square baler if you don't try to feed it at full capacity, we used our 1835 MF inline
on a 50 HP tractor and depending on what and how your baling it can handle it with ease to knowing its back there.
How slow are you willing to drive? How many tons per acre is the hay production? How is the tonnage divided in terms of windrow
size? Your Kubota may be rated for 23 PTO HP but doubtful it has the torque of a much older tractor to push through heavy spots.
If like around here in that first cutting legume/grass mix is 3 tons per acre on a dry basis I would only want a windrow from a 7
feet wide cut machine. Probably could get a 1960's JD or NH machine to work running under 3 MPH in the field and pulling a wagon
on near to level ground. Such balers would be JD 14T, 24T, or 224. NH balers 67,68, Super 69, 270, or 271. Start getting on
hilly ground 8-10 percent slope you may find that there is not enough chassis weight in the tractor to hold its footing.
size? Your Kubota may be rated for 23 PTO HP but doubtful it has the torque of a much older tractor to push through heavy spots.
If like around here in that first cutting legume/grass mix is 3 tons per acre on a dry basis I would only want a windrow from a 7
feet wide cut machine. Probably could get a 1960's JD or NH machine to work running under 3 MPH in the field and pulling a wagon
on near to level ground. Such balers would be JD 14T, 24T, or 224. NH balers 67,68, Super 69, 270, or 271. Start getting on
hilly ground 8-10 percent slope you may find that there is not enough chassis weight in the tractor to hold its footing.
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I have square baled with my Kubota L285 and a Massey ferguson #12. It is about all it wants. I feel every plunger stroke and when the baler starts it really bogs down the engine. You have to travel slowly but it does work if you're on a budget. I would try for a john deere 14t. Small capacity but easier to get parts.
Yes, there are square balers that will work with a 23HP tractor. The older NH, Case, etc with a motor on them, typically a 2-cylinder Wisconsin. It is tough otherwise. I
paid for part of my college balling hay with a NH 268 and a VAC Case. It was tough going, and I would hate to try it with a Kubota.
paid for part of my college balling hay with a NH 268 and a VAC Case. It was tough going, and I would hate to try it with a Kubota.
When I was a kid, we ran a JD 14-T with a JD 50. Live power was nice, but not a game kller. I have two NH 268s. Have
run them with a Farmall C, Farmall 200, A JD B, and a Massey Ferguson 180. All got the job done. Smaller tractors have
had enough power to run balers, but have to be very careful not to let the baler & wagon push the tractor around. that
can get scary really fast. My Massey is heavy enough to handle most any baling situation I have encountered. Not
familiar with your tractor, may have enough HP, but is it capable of bossing around the baler? May have to drop bales
on ground for later pickup.
run them with a Farmall C, Farmall 200, A JD B, and a Massey Ferguson 180. All got the job done. Smaller tractors have
had enough power to run balers, but have to be very careful not to let the baler & wagon push the tractor around. that
can get scary really fast. My Massey is heavy enough to handle most any baling situation I have encountered. Not
familiar with your tractor, may have enough HP, but is it capable of bossing around the baler? May have to drop bales
on ground for later pickup.
Tony in SD
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One of the side effects of a low hp tractor is mass. The baler will shake you off your tractor compared to a larger mass tractor with higher hp.
As a young teen about 35 years ago, we had a tractor go down while baling hay and incoming weather allowed no time to wait. I ran the John Deere 14T with the neighbor's Farmall Super C.
As I recall the tires were not loaded and had no weights, plunger action of the baler would rock the tractor. Got the job done but clearly a difference between what's possible and
what's a good idea, especially on a regular basis...
As I recall the tires were not loaded and had no weights, plunger action of the baler would rock the tractor. Got the job done but clearly a difference between what's possible and
what's a good idea, especially on a regular basis...
showcrop
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Yes, there are plenty of balers that you can pull with your 23 HP Kubota. When I started out 35 years ago it was with a 19 HP B8200. Obviously you won't be going very fast or going up and down steep hills. The key increment is bale chamber size. Most are 14 inches high by 18 inches wide but there were some built that had a twelve inch high chamber. Older ones like a JD 14T or MF12 tend to be smaller and lighter.
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Not my video, but here's some baling with a 18 pto hp John Deere. https://youtu.be/sPDhzcik4_0
Personally, I would get something like a Massey Ferguson 135, a Ford 2000/3000, or similar sized tractor.
Personally, I would get something like a Massey Ferguson 135, a Ford 2000/3000, or similar sized tractor.
Ive baked with my New Holland 1720, its slow going but works at 27hp.
With live pto and a fair number of slow gears to chose from works well.
If your tractor is lighter, it gets to where the tail is wagging the dog.
If your tractor drive train is lighter, it get gets to where the heavy flywheel can hurt your tractor pto/ internal parts.
There are some heavy jar motions at times,
You probably can, but I wouldnt want to do much, and Id maybe want to find a different tractor if this is a long term
plan. But can get by for a year or three.
Generally the New Holland balers numbered 271 or lower are the lower volume lower power models. Mine is a 270.
Paul
With live pto and a fair number of slow gears to chose from works well.
If your tractor is lighter, it gets to where the tail is wagging the dog.
If your tractor drive train is lighter, it get gets to where the heavy flywheel can hurt your tractor pto/ internal parts.
There are some heavy jar motions at times,
You probably can, but I wouldnt want to do much, and Id maybe want to find a different tractor if this is a long term
plan. But can get by for a year or three.
Generally the New Holland balers numbered 271 or lower are the lower volume lower power models. Mine is a 270.
Paul
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Thank you Paul. I appreciate the information. Tom
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Thank you PT. That was a helpful video. My tractor is a size bigger than that JD, so maybe there's hope.
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Thank you dhermesc. I'll have to get an answer to your question.
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Thank you fastfarmall.
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Thank you all for the good suggestions. I'll keep an eye out for those models you suggested and think hard about what they might do to my tractor.
New Holland 65 compact baler is what you want. Made 1960 to 1965. There are modern mini balers also but big $. NH 65 has a 12 x 16 bale chamber instead of the more common 14 x 18 chamber size and puts way less strain on the light duty driveline of a compact tractor. Prolly a few pics floating around of my Kubota L285 running one with some searching.
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