Gas tractors

Do they sell new gasoline tractors 30hp or greater or are they all diesel?

After getting a new kabota i think a gas would have some advantages for lower hour use. Exhaust stinks worse than any diesel I have owned, then for light work the RPM needs kept high or it goes into regen more often. Has extra Maintenace to clean part of the emission system after so many hours. With the price difference between gas and diesel I would look at a gas model. Most emission system problems have been worked out on gas engines and they can go a lot more hours than gas engines used to.

I am not aware of any gas farm tractor available on the market today that is brand new. Could gas tractors make a comeback, possibly. In the farm tractor market, most commercial farms have really little need for new tractors under 100 horse power. Not that large HP gas engines are not possible to build, the life span of a 200-300hp engine in a tractor, or 500hp engine in a combined or forage harvest would not be as long as the diesels we have now.
Not only do the emissions systems make new equipment more expensive to repair but everything from the air intake , engine rpm through to the transmission is controlled by computer software. Silly little things like a oil sensor will stop a modern engine from starting. If the sending unit fails to send the message to the computer that controls the fuel pump, that there is oil pressure being created when the engine starter cranks the engine over, the computer will not turn on the fuel supply to start the engine. Now how the heck can a farmer that is ready to go plant corn, and cant get his tractor to start, figure out that his oil sending unit has failed?
Our modern equipment is great when its new out of the box, but how many new out of the box tractors do we have? And how long will manufacturers support the technical equipment that make these tractors run? This is why I like to keep some old stuff around, it works!!

There was an Oliver 1250 on CL a couple years ago that was repowered with a Toyota gas engine out of a Corolla,looked real good.I was just a little too late to buy it.

Gasoline tractors aren't any simpler than diesels when it comes to emissions.

They would have to start over pretty much from scratch with all the emissions systems too. Automotive engines and emissions systems are not designed for the duty cycle that a tractor experiences. Even your "work truck" engines don't see the kind of duty cycle.

Diesels are already out there and it's costing companies plenty to work out the kinks and get them reliable. They are not likely to take on an additional development project to reintroduce gasoline engines to farm tractors. There simply isn't a market. Everyone wants diesels.

Large ag tractors sales were up 25 % in 2021. Likely these were all diesel farm tractors since that is the only large farm tractor offerings. The last larger gas engine tractors were JD 4030, 4230 which may have been last made in 1980. IH offered the 686 last offered around 1979 and 284 offered around 1980. The picture shows a methane fuel concept tractor of 180 hp said to have 30 % lower operating costs , 80 % less emissions then than a diesel powered tractor. It just goes on tours to the Farm Progress show and NFMS shows. Would think the potential is there for large gas engine tractors especially with direct injection gas engine. Emissions rules tend to inhibit gas engine development and introduction to the farm tractor market. Also electric tractor development maybe eating most of the the research dollars of major tractor manufacturers. Fuel costs and emissions rules will influence where manufacturers spend development dollars . And what they think future demand is going to be.

That is a good point, "emissions rules tend to inhibit gas engine development."

"THEY" don't want ANY gasoline engines period. Why would anyone think "THEY" would encourage opening up new markets for them?

All it would take is for the tax deduction for diesel to go away.
Then they would switch to ethanol. Grow your own fuel. It would be
like having hayfields to feed your horses. Would need replacement
of cylinder heads and pistons. That 10% mix of ethanol that goes into
motor fuels, because of high demand, would go back to the farmers.
Everyone else would go electric.

The gas engines are not dead yet,Cummins is working on an intermediate truck LP engine. THe propane industry is backing it. Why should they pay for diesel so they can deliver LP? If it works out there might be something in there for light trucks and farm use.

Most of the Schwans frozen food trucks I see around here are LP, they look like 1-1 1/2 ton van body trucks. I don't recall what brand of truck they are or what engines or how good they are. So those engines are out there and may become more popular

Pretty sure the Schwans trucks are Isuzu. At least the ones that stop here are.

(quoted from post at 16:21:29 02/07/22) All it would take is for the tax deduction for diesel to go away.
Then they would switch to ethanol. Grow your own fuel. It would be
like having hayfields to feed your horses. Would need replacement
of cylinder heads and pistons. That 10% mix of ethanol that goes into
motor fuels, because of high demand, would go back to the farmers.
Everyone else would go electric.

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ive seen quite a few UPS semi's on the highway with compressed natural gas engines in them.

I presume they are probably diesels converted to NG with new heads and a NG delivery system. I wonder how they are for power and torque. they were rolling thru the WV mountains.

It could happen. I don't know of any of our local school bus contractors buying diesel busses any more, that would have been unthinkable 20 years ago. The emission controls problems has made them simply too expensive to run. Ford V-10s are very popular.

I could see a market for fuel injected gasoline engines in small (under 100 HP) tractors for acreages that are not used more than 100 to 200 hours per year. Lower purchase cost, lower noise levels, easier starting, lower maintenance cost, no need for a special fuel barrel for diesel fuel, etc. will be more attractive to some buyers than simple fuel economy.

In the near future I don't see gasoline engines returning to larger farm and industrial engines that run high hours per year. The OTTO cycle (gasoline) does not have potential fuel economy that the diesel cycle has www.mech4study.com/2016/08/diesel-cycle-vs-otto-cycle.html.

Over the years, most of the LP supply trucks around here burned the fuel they sold. My current suppler has a diesel truck.

(quoted from post at 08:29:10 02/07/22) Do they sell new gasoline tractors 30hp or greater or are they all diesel?

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I'm glad to see your wife allowed you to have access to a computer so you can post a reply! :lol:

I'm glad to see you're back.
Jim

Whether we like it or not, Fuel burning engines are being Phased out, Its a Fact. California wants cars and lawnmowers with fuel engines to longer be legal to sell in a year or 2. GM says they will ONLY sell Electric Vehicles in about 12 years.(I forgot the actual year they said) Major Tractor Manufactures are all testing Electric powered tractors. Kinda like when the car and tractor replaced the horse. It will be hard for some to adjust.

MOLINE, Ill., Dec. 14, 2021 /CNW/ -- Deere & Company (NYSE: DE) has signed a definitive agreement to acquire majority ownership in Kreisel Electric, Inc. (Kreisel), a battery technology provider based in Rainbach im Mhlkreis, Austria.

John Deere sees demand growing for batteries as a sole- or hybrid-propulsion system for off-highway vehicles. Products in Deere's portfolio such as turf equipment, compact utility tractors, small tractors, compact construction, and some road building equipment could rely solely on batteries as a primary power source. Deere intends to continue to invest in and develop technologies to innovate, deliver value to customers, and work towards a future with zero emissions propulsion systems.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/john-deere-acquire-majority-ownership-150000844.html

(quoted from post at 13:17:52 02/10/22) Whether we like it or not, Fuel burning engines are being Phased out, Its a Fact. California wants cars and lawnmowers with fuel engines to longer be legal to sell in a year or 2. GM says they will ONLY sell Electric Vehicles in about 12 years.(I forgot the actual year they said) Major Tractor Manufactures are all testing Electric powered tractors. Kinda like when the car and tractor replaced the horse. It will be hard for some to adjust.

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This is the result of the elites investing in something and legislating it into being. Absolute guarantee the push to electric is the result of a desire and not a need. Follow the money.