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13,750 lb backhoe, what gooseneck trailer to transport

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rockwind1

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how many more threads can i create about a 40 year old backhoe that is currently not working. if anyone has been transporting big tractors for a long time,,, advice for good trailer for my backhoe. i am pulling with a 2001 f350 7.3L longbed quadcab single rear wheel. not the ideal truck for the job but it's all i got. my trailer choices are gooseneck of course,, but i have found some low boy goosenecks that claim 15k load rating,, the one pictured below has 2 7k axles,,which doesn't make sense to me, the trailer must weight a couple thousand lbs,,put a thousand on the tongue, still only adds up to 13k in my mind, but so anyway,, a gooseneck at 25+5 but do i get the deck over wheels or a low boy style? it seems that to be really safe,, tandum 10k dually axles,, but i have found a triple axle low boy but it sure seems it will eat up tires when turning. any advice? in conclusion, i am only going to be transporting locally,, 10-15 miles at the most,, no interstates
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This post was edited by rockwind1 on 01/28/2022 at 08:35 pm.
 
Well first off you will need a trailer with around a 20000 GVW or more depending on trailer weight . That hoe would max out my trailer an a tad more as mine weighs in at 7500 lbs empty with a 20000 gross weight , next up you don't have enough truck , you may think you do but you don't When you start adding truck and tailer by there self then dump on almost 14k your toy truck is not going to do the job SAFELY , You do not have the braking , ya don't have the tires nor the read end and ya don't have the GVW rating on the truck let lone the GCVW rating .
 

the guy that hauled it to my place had a 2020 1 ton dodge dually truck, he was pulling a 35+5 gooseneck, with 2 10k dually axles. do you think he had enough truck? he had to have been right at the limit with my backhoe. his trailer had to have weighed 6K
i was a little worried but he pulled it like no problem. his truck broke down during the transport and i was following him and we hooked up a 3/8's chain and i actually towed the his truck still attached to the trailer w/backhoe for about 1/2 mile to next exit ramp. but my truck couldn't have done that for very long

that being said,,, i realize you are right, my truck isn't enough but i did put an aftermarket tru trac in my rear end,,,and i thought some airbags and maybe even some of those 19.5 tires might make it do able for short distances
 


You can get all kinds of opinions, but if you get in a wreck what matters is the numbers. I towed a fair number of heavy loads many thousands of miles on interstates on my 22,400 tandem dual gooseneck behind my F-350 SRW. I was close to my legal GCVW but not over. I did transport a Case 580E loader backhoe twice. Again, it is the numbers on the trailer and in the door jamb of your truck that matter. I have had my CDL for many years but had never gotten my "A" until I got my 22,400 trailer 15 years ago. You should have seen the guys there with full sized TTs and tri-axles saying how "you can't test for CDLA with a pick-up truck!!!" well the law says I need a CDL for my combination, and the State DOT examiner just checked the data plates and told me to go ahead. And plenty of guys will say that your brakes aren't adequate. Well the manufacturers don't get to put whatever they want on the door jam, they have to meet the specs. Its not about YTDOT opinions, its about the numbers and the law.
 
A gooseneck carries 6,000 pounds on the
gooseneck, that's how they get the rating.
You will need a trailer with 10k axles to
properly haul that tractor. You could do
it with 8k or 9k axles too, but they are
not common because with tires and wheels
they cost as much as the 10k with duals.
 
All this chicken or egg thing has been beat to death. The over the tire trailer will give you more options for future use than one between the wheels will. Also let you load more things like hay iron and such. I would want a way to mount a couple jacks to the back of the trailer to support it while loading. Doubt it watch all the youtube videos of loading going wrong to explain it.
 
Just a thought
If as your post says you will only be going 10-15 miles and not on the interstate then why not just drive the backhoe to where you need to use it?

Should easily be able to go 15 miles in an hour.

Guessing you can't;
Hook up a trailer
Load and chain machine down
Drive to site
Unchain and unload it inside of an hour.
 

Speaking as someone who owns a 97 F350 crew with single rear wheels, and as someone who used to be a NYSP DOT inspector, you need more truck to haul that hoe in anything but a life and death emergency. You will also need a trailer of at least 18-20K GVWR which can put you up into requiring a CDL A depending on what your state rules are, and definitely if you are going interstate unless you can finagle some exemption as non-commercial...which is going to be pretty hard.
 
(quoted from post at 04:57:42 01/29/22) What happened to the guys truck that broke down
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well,, it was midnight as we were headed to arizona,,, he had a like new super fancy 2020 Dodge dually diesel,, 3500 bighorn 4x4 6.7 cummins with all the bells and whistles and it was pulling with no problem when all of sudden a ton of smoke started coming from it. we checked it out and one of the tranny cooler lines had just blew off the tranny. it was held in with a clip and the big part of the line had just worn away 2 points (of 3 total) that holds the cooler line into the adaptor that was threaded into the tranny. anyway,, we 50 miles out vegas so i went in and slept and got up early and went to dodge dealership (turns out could have went to autozone) got the part and brought it back,, took 5 minutes to put on. added about a gallon of atf and proceeded to destination about 5 hours away without any more problems.
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This post was edited by rockwind1 on 01/29/2022 at 06:41 am.
 
(quoted from post at 06:56:03 01/29/22) Just a thought
If as your post says you will only be going 10-15 miles and not on the interstate then why not just drive the backhoe to where you need to use it?

Should easily be able to go 15 miles in an hour.

Guessing you can't;
Hook up a trailer
Load and chain machine down
Drive to site
Unchain and unload it inside of an hour.
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i thought about that,, i can drive it to one of the properties,, i have a few ranch like properties in the area but one of them is about 12 miles away,, bu t6 miles of highway 89, the main 2 lane highway,, i can't bear the thought the 2 miles of cars i will be holding up and i don't think there are any accessory roads. i think i might try to find someone reasonable to transport it for me locally,, although, reasonable tranporters are impossible to find there days
 
(quoted from post at 05:24:06 01/29/22)

You can get all kinds of opinions, but if you get in a wreck what matters is the numbers. I towed a fair number of heavy loads many thousands of miles on interstates on my 22,400 tandem dual gooseneck behind my F-350 SRW. I was close to my legal GCVW but not over. I did transport a Case 580E loader backhoe twice. Again, it is the numbers on the trailer and in the door jamb of your truck that matter. I have had my CDL for many years but had never gotten my "A" until I got my 22,400 trailer 15 years ago. You should have seen the guys there with full sized TTs and tri-axles saying how "you can't test for CDLA with a pick-up truck!!!" well the law says I need a CDL for my combination, and the State DOT examiner just checked the data plates and told me to go ahead. And plenty of guys will say that your brakes aren't adequate. Well the manufacturers don't get to put whatever they want on the door jam, they have to meet the specs. Its not about YTDOT opinions, its about the numbers and the law.
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what year and model is your f350? did you ever put 14k on your trailer? did it tow ok? that Case seems about 3k lighter than my antique.
 
The construction company I worked for back in the mid 1990's used Ford F350 crew cab, long bed, single rear wheel with a 24k gooseneck (had over 100 of these trucks/trailer combo's) with either a Cat 416B, and 416C backhoe on it. Those trucks handled the trailer/backhoe with no problems, the only real problem we had were the electric trailer brakes.
 
(quoted from post at 05:35:37 01/29/22) A gooseneck carries 6,000 pounds on the
gooseneck, that's how they get the rating.
You will need a trailer with 10k axles to
properly haul that tractor. You could do
it with 8k or 9k axles too, but they are
not common because with tires and wheels
they cost as much as the 10k with duals.
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wow,, i had no idea so much weight on rear axle.
 
Thats because they don't. 2-7,000 lbs axles gets them a 14k weight. Unless that 14k is a solid block of steel sitting at the front of the trailer, you won't get 3 tons on the truck bed.
AaronSEIA
 
My 25k goose weighs 7k empty, so I can load up to 18k of load. so your good there. My 14k gooseneck weighs 5k so I can load up to 9k of load, so its a NO GO for your load. My '13 f350 is rated to pull 27500lbs of gooseneck and 13000 on the bumper. So I am good with the 25k. Now as a farmer, in tx, I believe that my TOTAL has to stay below 26000. SO an 8800 lb truck, a 13k back hoe and a 7 k trailer puts me at 28800, which exceeds the legal gvw of a farmer, so I would have/should go to a cdl... Dont ask me how much gvw when hauling a full load of round bales. So.. we behave, correctly secure our loads, and never exceed speed limits or even get close. Newer trucks actually stop much better than expected with built in engine braking and built in brake controller.
 
(quoted from post at 07:57:47 01/29/22)
(quoted from post at 05:24:06 01/29/22)

You can get all kinds of opinions, but if you get in a wreck what matters is the numbers. I towed a fair number of heavy loads many thousands of miles on interstates on my 22,400 tandem dual gooseneck behind my F-350 SRW. I was close to my legal GCVW but not over. I did transport a Case 580E loader backhoe twice. Again, it is the numbers on the trailer and in the door jamb of your truck that matter. I have had my CDL for many years but had never gotten my "A" until I got my 22,400 trailer 15 years ago. You should have seen the guys there with full sized TTs and tri-axles saying how "you can't test for CDLA with a pick-up truck!!!" well the law says I need a CDL for my combination, and the State DOT examiner just checked the data plates and told me to go ahead. And plenty of guys will say that your brakes aren't adequate. Well the manufacturers don't get to put whatever they want on the door jam, they have to meet the specs. Its not about YTDOT opinions, its about the numbers and the law.
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what year and model is your f350? did you ever put 14k on your trailer? did it tow ok? that Case seems about 3k lighter than my antique.
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My most frequent load was 15,000 lbs. A ford 9000 and a Ford 960. My truck is a 2006 F350 SRW 6.0 I had two times when people up ahead did stupid things so that the person ahead of me locked 'em up and I stopped no problem both times. The trailer never pushed the truck or had any bad manners. I did have to upgrade the tires in order to get decent life out of them.
 
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