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I read where Ford is making a lot of electric 150 pickups this year.. If you were thinking of a new pickup would you consider an electric? I know I wouldn't purchase one. So you come in from a hard day working, you are laying in bed. Then light goes off in your head, did I plug in my truck? Or
driving cross country to pick up a tractor, then stopping to charge your battery. No thanks. What about you? Stan
 
If I had enough money for two I would. 90% of my driving an electric would be great. But I take a few long trips a year and for that no Thanks.
 
If I was just going to use it as a daily driver, a grocery getter and not do actual truck stuff I might consider it. But I have no plans to buy a new truck of any type. As far as towing, anything more than lawnmower or small tractor I want at least a 3/4 ton truck to pull with. Just my personal opinions and preference.
 
No, not at this time.

Too new in development, going to be problems to work out.

Price will be high for several years, it's still a novelty.

I doubt very seriously I will live, or be driving, long enough to see one in my garage.
 
No,I doubt that it would pull my 4 ton trailer with a 5 ton pulling tractor on it..At my age I'll never own a EV but if I were younger and working I would consider a cheaper EV to drive to work in..
 
Nope. I can't afford a new gas truck. So an EV is way out of the question. An EV would also not be convenient in my area. Its 10 miles one way for me to get to really anyplace. And that would be ruled as no place by most peoples standards. And its an hours drive round trip to really go anywhere else really worth getting to. With no charging stations anywheres around, no thanks.
 
Stan,
On tool talk I ask people talking about buying cordless tools to consider the replacement cost of the battery.
I recently read where a man refused to pay $22k to replace the battery on his 2013 Tesla. Google it: man buys diamite and blows up his tesla. Even a video shows Tesla blowing up.
Also read where a rock damaged the battery on an EV.

How much will it cost to replace the EV battery and how long will the battery last?

Another concern I have is how will temperature play a part in battery output? No battery likes sub zero temps. How much of the battery's energy will be used to power the heater and in the summer AC?

My Lithium cordless batteries don't like to be charged when they are hot. Their output seems to be less when they are very cold.

No battery lasts forever. No battery will ever be fully recharged. Each charging cycle the battery isn't as good as it once was.

I can't see EV's as a solution to anything.
I won't buy an EV.
It's your money, buy what you want.
Time will tell how long the battery will last.

I think hydrogen is a better way to store green energy.
I know little about fuel cells or how long they will last.

Perhaps someone needs to improve the flux capacitor they used in back to the future.
 
Ford's light bulb plum up and burnt out many years ago . IMHO when they dumped the 385 block engines in the truck line was the end . I use to buy Fords , had a 70 and a 73 then there was the nightmare 78 and the good 79 that i just changed the oil on and drove to 279000 miles when it got totaled when a kid lost control on a curve while racing his buddy and even with me diving for the ditch on the right side we hit , he died and my trusty old 79 was totaled , then the 88 F 350 cab and chassis that was the devils work with and emission code of 666 that even FORD called the truck from Hell-o Ford worked on it i worked on it saw the back side of a wrecker that is was gaining frequent tower miles and ya had to carry a spare computer with you along with U/Joints i managed to get 287000 miles out of it before i went to a Goat with a Cummins . The engine was great the brakes sucked , munched a rear end , and i can not tell you how many computers it ate . I became the flat rate master on road side computer changes . As for the Goat i have no complaints . only repairs needed has been ball joints and ft u/ joints , brakes oil and filters . oh and two new batterys . it's a 95 .
 
From what I understand, Ford will sell plenty of electric pickups this year even if old pharts like us don't want them.
 
An EV makes sense for the actual driving I do, wouldn't mind having one. If it was given to me. The price point plus charging station does not pencil out. I can buy a lot of fuel for my $2500 Avalanche with the money even a cheap EV and charge station costs. Very few Americans are good at seeing the true full cost of an item.

If you research the true cost of an EV, their appeal starts to slide. They really are only cheaper to operate right now while we have cheap electricity and most states haven't caught up with the loss of road tax yet. Once they become more common, electrical rates will rise and states will find ways to collect road tax. Then EVs will cost the same or more per mile than gas/diesel.
 
An electric truck is not for me at this time. I haul and pull trailers so I believe the travel distance would be to short. Most of us on the forum are probably in the minority when it comes to truck/vehicle use. Most people just commute a few miles to work, go shopping, to a soccer game, and on weekends a truck may go to a state park. Thats about it.
 
I thought from the begining that this would cause too much of a strain on the electrical system. I read article last night that said in Ca they are asking people not to charge their EVs because it's overloading the system.
 


Looks like an EV thread every week? I wouldn't buy a truck yet, but few people ever carry anything in their truck, so for most people it would work. A friend drives his Tesla from NH to FL every month. He stops every 200 miles for a twenty min. charge break. Why would that be a problem?
 
Hy-Vee is a big grocery chain. There distribution center has 2 Electric shag trucks. They got a huge grant to get them. There shag at the warehouse pretty much runs 24-7.
 
What do you do when you are stuck out on the road for 5 or 6 hours due to an accident and road closure.How long will the battery last, sitting that long with the heater running
 
Nope NOT for me at my age and my driving needs and habits but fine for others and I support a persons choice. Often any thread about the weather or EV's get poofed when some poor soul gets all upset and political, I say to each their own driving choices...

best wishes everyone

John T
 
In regards to charging:

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In regards to being stuck on the highway for some reason:

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150,000 are scheduled to be built this year, double the original number. I believe they are all spoken for, by the numbers demand far exceeds what Ford expected. We will see if they can even build that many.
 
GEORGE - You and I have the exact same thoughts on electric vehicles, and for the same reasons. I'm not sure WHY Ford is rushing to create so many electric vehicles. I guess maybe they believe what the POTUS and the creators of The GREEN NEW DEAL are spreading, but a manure spreader would be a better tool to spread what they are making.
My typical trip is 5 miles to town or Doctor's office, or town hall to drop off fallen tree limbs, then 5 miles home. But What happens when I want to drive 400 miles to AVOCA, Iowa to visit FARMALL LAND, how many stops to recharge on that 400 mile trip? Right now my biggest one day trip is a bit over 1100 miles. 4 gas stops, and a lunch & potty stop, Wife was a REAL Trooper, She stayed awake to keep Me awake.
The idea of a vehicle burning hydrogen with the waste product being WATER, is the ONLY idea that makes any sense for the future. Today's technology using Lithium batteries is DANGEROUS, for people AND the environment. There's only so much Lithium on this planet, it would be a hazardous waste if we weren't using it for batteries for everything from cell phones to toys, cameras, yard tools, and now cars & pickups. Have Our Elected Officials got even the slightest clue how much energy it takes to keep a 80,000# semi-truck rolling 60-70 mph down the highway, and how HUGE the battery needed to make that energy has to be.
There's NO future in my wildest dreams where I drive an electric car/truck. I have a normal collection of cordless tools. I did have 4 good Ni-Cad batteries and 4 good Lith-Ion batteries, I'm now down to 3+3, when I get to 2+2 I'll probably have to buy a couple. Or pull my corded tools out of storage, afterall, they're electric too.
 
(quoted from post at 21:06:58 01/04/22) No,I doubt that it would pull my 4 ton trailer with a 5 ton pulling tractor on it..At my age I'll never own a EV but if I were younger and working I would consider a cheaper EV to drive to work in..
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There isn't an F150 made that would tow your 4 ton trailer with a 5 ton pulling tractor on it... Not even Ford is that proud of their trucks...
 
Well, all I know is that if I were a betting man, it's what we can expect down the road no matter what your preferences would be now. One of these days (after most of us are long gone) discussion forum comments will say how difficult it is to think back that so many refused to acknowledge the change was happening.
 
(quoted from post at 06:36:18 01/05/22) Well, all I know is that if I were a betting man, it's what we can expect down the road no matter what your preferences would be now. One of these days (after most of us are long gone) discussion forum comments will say how difficult it is to think back that so many refused to acknowledge the change was happening.
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Exactly! Old people don't need electric vehicles and electric vehicles don't need us.
 
Vet , dropping the 385 series was not all that bad of an idea. At least from a corporate standpoint. Ford has been aching to take down CCP for years. Foundry is gone, theyre tearing up the concrete now. They cost too much to build, burnt too much gas and nobody was buying them. I think that the 401 diesel in the F-series helped nail the coffin shut. Even after they were injected they gained maybe 1 mpg. But theyre time was up. Just like John Deere knew that they couldnt compete with those horizontal twins forever. You can run a 429-460 today but you better be making money with it; its days as a grocery-getter are over.
 
Not those tonnages, but my trailer is 10,000 gross weight, 2500 empty, and my F150 turbo V6 will tow that, and driving thru West Virginia accelerate uphill, at least
towing a smaller tractor. But towing tractors it does like to visit every gas station along the way.

As for the electric, I think one needs to consider their driving. Mostly long trips you are probably better off with gas, at least until the technology evolves some more.
Lots of shorter, start stop driving with a few long trips, then a hybrid truck might make sense. For short trips, lightly loaded, an electric will probably be OK.
 
Possible the rush is the promised tax advantage (which hasn't happened yet) to USA union auto makers of EVs.
I may not live long enough to see if EV's will replace current cars. To date, there is NO battery that lasts forever and they are very expensive to replace.
My money is in mining companies that are making raw materials needed for Evs. One company is predicted to increase in value by 40% in 2022.
 
I believe in the evaluation of development,,let the supply and demand dictate the success of them,,if they are good so be it,,but don't shove them down our necks..they must be cost effective ,,and meet the demands of each customer....Supply and demand along with the cost to own and operate should be considered in anything that we purchase..
 
Perhaps not a F150 but , the F150 is a light duty pickup
to start with. It is silly to suggest that an electric
powered truck couldnt pull the load you describe,
maybe not the F150, but they can build bigger stronger
electric trucks. Rail road trains are electric powered,
and they can pull 100s of tons.
I still not ready for a electric truck either
 
If I were a betting man, I would say that this fad will pass. There are more factors at work than meets the eye.

Overall environmental damage is a big factor. When taken into account, the environmental damage from lithium mines, disposal of batteries, and actual differences in production methods/costs/materials will all come into play.

Electric vehicles have been around since the late 19th century. They were deemed impractical then. But, dreamers continue to push for them with billionaire boy Musk being the latest.

Cost will play a BIG role in the success or failure of EVs. Like the guy that was given a repair estimate of over $22,000. How many Tesla owners could foot the bill for that? How many would?

Personally, I don't care one way or the other. If you want one, go right ahead and buy one. Personally, I don't want one. I don't begrudge anyone that wants one. I DO object to statements that say that one day I will be driving one.

It simply is NOT a matter of acknowledging change. Also, not a matter of acceptance. Last I checked, we were all free to buy whatever we like within the limits of our budget constraints.
 
I figure its going to be about the same thing as all the emissions on our diesel tractors and trucks. Its going to get Jammed down our throats whether we like it or not sooner or later.
 
> Did you just call me an old phart??

I think I called myself an old phart, George. You've long since graduated to 'old coot'.
 
Good points Jim .... unfortunately manufacturers will make whatever puts the most money in their pockets and down the road, although difficult to believe, maybe gas engine vehicles might not even be available. North American vehicle manufacturers have been the slowest to respond to trends historically, but even they see writing on the wall. Environmental concerns never for a minute stopped general trends in manufacturing although they have slowed them down. 'Last time you checked' .... yes, you are right on that, but we're talking about maybe the year 2100, not 2021. As far as the guy who blew up the Tesla, the corporation and its investors are having a good laugh about that I'm sure. His opinions and actions mean nothing in the scheme of things. Click on the 'MAX' time in the link below .... if his actions move the line at all, it'll last for about a week.
Tesla stock price history .....
 
Well what about this. I read Tesla and a customer are having a rif about him having to buy new battereies. Seems his car was a 2013 model and the batteries needed to be replaced. Seems someone quoted him $20k. Reading on in the article they run around $5-6k.

Seems the guy was a deep pocketed eccentric and just wraped his car in dynamite and blew it up. It was on dish satellite in the N.Y. Post or Knez as I recall.

Sooooo what kind of battery life would one expect and what is the replacement charge......to add to your reservations.

One more thing. Texas and their 4 day blackout this past winter: If you had a 24 gallon tank of gas like my 2011 Silverado has, which you keep full like I do, you don't have to worry about running out of gas (er ah juice) if you forgot to top off before the blackout!
 
I replied to this without reading any comments. So now I am reading the other's comments including yours. It seems we got our stories straight. Good for us. Grin.
 
I saw a published list somewhere yesterday of vehicles that are going to no longer be made after current year. Many were electric. Ford will offer the electric 150 but no one knows if they will will really sell many except to do-gooders trying to virtue signal.

I did see that Ford will no longer offer a diesel in the F150.
 
Taxes on fossil fuels will drive us all to electric, both vehicles and home heating. Most enviro's don't have a clue how electricity is made. When our leaders say climate change is our biggest problem, we know we are being led by idiots.
 
They have diesel engines to run AC or DC electric traction motors attached to each axle................I have N Scale models of GM and Generous Electric units running 4400 HP. The coal trains using these engines, sometimes 2 up front, sometimes one at the rear, from Wyoming and surrounding ara are quite impressive. Container trains transiting the Wild West headed for the West Coast are also quite impressive....they just keep comning and coming and coming...makes you wonder where is the end of the thing.
 
My real point about the guy blowing up his Tesla was not the act itself, but the bigger picture it represents. The high cost of batteries and repairs. There are already quite a few EVs running around. They will get old and need repairs at some point. Batteries costing over $20,000 are a bit over the top. Costs like that just might make EVs lose some of their appeal.

Overall, you cannot just dismiss the guy blowing up his car as nothing.

Also, as far as EVs going mainstream, consider this: The average young family buys a used EV. Soon, it needs an expensive repair that they cannot afford. Instead of a repair that runs into the thousands of dollars, it runs into the TENS of thousands of dollars.

The single biggest limiting factor is and will continue to be battery technology well into the future.
 
Has your friend ever heard of flying or is it a yearly up and
down trip?

Vito
 
True ..... but I really wonder if price means much of anything to young families these days Jim. Buying starter homes here for $450,000, spending $75,000 on a family SUV (and that's not top of the line), dining out five nights every week or having your suppers delivered to your door, crazy fees/costs for iPhones, spending $25,000 every year for their brat to attend a hockey academy school thinking they might make the NHL (a pipe dream for 99%). Just a few examples .... so a $20,000 battery changeover, just do it and give me the keys back. I shudder to think of that but it's inevitable.
 
THANKS for the posting, nothing provides more entertainment (Until it gets nasty and political) then WEATHER OR EV THREADS lol

Legal and electrical threads draw the most responses and opinions (everybody knows and has an opinion) but again weather and EV are the most fun to read. Also lately medical questions get a ton of opinions from all us doctors/experts here lol

John T
 
(quoted from post at 11:24:54 01/05/22) Don't be surprised if you need an electric wheelchair someday!
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ave four, that like electric cars will be, that do not work! :cry:
 
Thanks Mark,
Being called an old coots makes it sound like I have more wisdom than being called an old phart.
 
This is very similar to the conversations heard when gas engine vehicles started replacing horses 110 years ago! If you don't believe in them don't buy one, simple.
 
I was working as a performance tech back when they came out , we did a lot of shell we say tinkering . When my nightmare 78 400 M ate the FORTH engine in under 12000 miles i had enough of that boat anchor and set out to install a 460 that i put together . back in 78 you could still get real hightest and i built it as such with the 11 to one compression , heads up cam timing the 74 cc heads and a autolite 4300 carb . I did not mind the 15-16 mpg i was getting out of it with a c6 and 4.10gear . It had load of power i was starting to enjoy that truck . All was good till i got hit head on coming home late one night from corn planting seven doors from my house by a drunk driver . the 88 F 350 4x4 cab and chassis was and x oil patch truck that had some problems when i bought it with the idea i could FIX it yea . I would fix something with FORD parts from a Ford dealer only to have that part fail in short order one after a nother . While at the Ford dealer getting another NEW part bobby and i were having words over the JUNK parts when the new service manager over heard us and got in my face and i unloaded on him backing him the corner when his tone calmed down and asked where my truck was and i told him out infront of the show room WHY and he said he would like to run the S/N thru Ford to see if there were any recalls . So i let him and we find out that the recall list on this truck was so long that the print out would reach the ceiling to floor of the shop . So we set up a time to have them fix the truck and give the truck a new paint job . while there to fix the problems they messed up the heads and they had to replace the heads had other issues that there having the truck for two weeks turned into 8 weeks and the only thing that did turn out well was the paint job . I started having brake issues on days when the outside temp went over 80 i started having computer issues with the new upgraded computer EGR issues . they had just replaced the computer and i was making a delivery of a tractor up north of me almost to Lake Eire when i backed into the barn yard and shut the truck off unloaded the tractor talked with the new owner for a bit and went to leave and we had a NO START , not even two and a half hours after they just put the computer in . Called back to the dealership and told RON the service manger to get Walley on his way with a new computer as i am just south of I 90 DEAD on rt 193 on the left side can't miss me . Wallye shows up with a new computer and the truck starts and he and i go back to the dealer truck and trailer and pull the WHOLE thing in and sshut it off and guess what no restart computer is DOA . Then the brake issues start , loads of fun when ya have the trailer on loaded and NO brakes , pedal goes to the floor after a long pull . I am not talking foot on the floor long pull just working it at high way speed in forth . EX. here our one north south four lane is rt 11 from the river to the lake . from I 80 north to us rt 6 is and all up hill pull but to the eye it looks mostly flat , NOT . Not till you go past rt.6 then it is down hill to the lake . The 460 with trailer and say a 12-14000lb tractor on the deck would just stroll up that way in forth with ease at 55-60 mph but you could tell she was working . By the time you got just to 305 and rt 88 if you got off there when you went to STOP at the stop sign you were out of luck the brake pedal would go to the floor . there were NO leaks in the brake system . but if you bleed the brakes then you had good brakes till you worked her once again and once again no brakes pedal would go to the floor . When you would bleed the brakes there was no need to add brake fluid . I'll let your mind think on that one for a while . And oh when we got it to hold a computer in it that computer was for a 92 460 along with some other miss matched pieces and part and the fuel mileage once we got it running right and the cam timing change back to a heads up cam timing to the 69 460 cam timing was pretty good for a 7500 pound truck being run hard just the truck running to the sales over three states every week avg 14 , truck and empty trailer 12 , loaded 10 .
 
I doubt that the infrastructure is in place for every last farm or household in a neighborhood to draw current for not just one electric vehicle per address but several. Let the marketplace determine the viability of EV's. Give incentives to companies to increase the efficiency of combustion engines. Get the long rumored 100 MPG carb or fuel injection system off of the drawing board and on to the assembly lines!
 
(quoted from post at 11:11:55 01/05/22) I doubt that the infrastructure is in place for every last farm or household in a neighborhood to draw current for not just one electric vehicle per address but several. Let the marketplace determine the viability of EV's. Give incentives to companies to increase the efficiency of combustion engines. Get the long rumored 100 MPG carb or fuel injection system off of the drawing board and on to the assembly lines!
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Obviously the infrastructure isn't in place, but that doesn't mean it never will be. Upgrades will have to happen incrementally over time as demand increases. Market forces will dictate that, as long as the regulatory bodies will let the power companies raise rates to make the improvements.

The 100MPG carburetor has always been a myth. Physics is a cruel mistress. I mean you CAN get 100MPG but it's not going to be in a pickup truck. It would be in some rickety 4-wheeled bike thing with saran wrap for body panels.
 
So you come in from a hard day working, you are laying in bed. Then light goes off in your head, did I plug in my truck? Or
driving cross country to pick up a tractor, then stopping to charge your battery.

Kinda like driving a diesel pickup or a diesel tractor in MN winters, did I plug in the block heater so it will start tomorrow morning, where can I park where there is an outlet close enough for the block heater?

I don't see a home car charger drawing anymore current than an electric clothes dryer or central air conditioner, certainly less than than a house with electric heating.
 
(quoted from post at 17:15:34 01/05/22) So you come in from a hard day working, you are laying in bed. Then light goes off in your head, did I plug in my truck? Or
driving cross country to pick up a tractor, then stopping to charge your battery.

Kinda like driving a diesel pickup or a diesel tractor in MN winters, did I plug in the block heater so it will start tomorrow morning, where can I park where there is an outlet close enough for the block heater?

I don't see a home car charger drawing anymore current than an electric clothes dryer or central air conditioner, certainly less than than a house with electric heating.
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ike most things, there are many different sizes! It all depends on budget and how long do you want to wait for a charge? 120v, 240v, single phase, 3 phase.......whatever you want to pay for.
 


In Israel and Sweden they have EVs running without their batteries on certain roads with chargers under the pavement that charge the batteries by induction as the car drives along.
 
(quoted from post at 21:25:59 01/05/22)

In Israel and Sweden they have EVs running without their batteries on certain roads with chargers under the pavement that charge the batteries by induction as the car drives along.
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fizzle sticks!
They got cars that haul a hundred people at a time.
Dozens of cars hooked end to end.
Only one person to make it go and make it stop.
Runs on iron rails.
Power comes from easy to repair overhead wires.
Its magic I tell ya MAGIC.
 
I didn't buy a 1 ton diesel dually truck because I didn't need one. A half ton with a 5.3 liter does what I need. I also don't drive a 2 seater high fuel economy car, because it doesn't fit my needs.

Most of the folks on this forum work their trucks. Watching around town in non rural areas, you'll see a lot of trucks that are several years old with only a few scratches in the truck. These folks like the look & feel of a truck, but don't necessarily need the utility of a truck. THESE are the targeted audience for these electric trucks.

Don't get your undies in a bunch. Our gas guzzling working trucks won't be going away any time soon. Car companies design product for the market, not what tree huggers desire.
 
(quoted from post at 19:57:51 01/05/22)
(quoted from post at 21:25:59 01/05/22)

In Israel and Sweden they have EVs running without their batteries on certain roads with chargers under the pavement that charge the batteries by induction as the car drives along.
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fizzle sticks!
They got cars that haul a hundred people at a time.
Dozens of cars hooked end to end.
Only one person to make it go and make it stop.
Runs on iron rails.
Power comes from easy to repair overhead wires.
Its magic I tell ya MAGIC.
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Double07, the existence of one doesn't eliminate the other.
 
="showcrop"](reply to post at 09:39:16 01/06/22) [/quote]

Yes, so a few EV's come onto the market here.
And the majority here thinks every one of them has to be able to haul 18k pounds, plow snow, run the dunes, pull a plow, etc.

Anyways, I was pointing out the 100+ year old technology of electric inter urban type passenger trains around the world.
Those EV roadways made me think they are a modern version of those trains.
 

Yes, so a few EV's come onto the market here.
And the majority here thinks every one of them has to be able to haul 18k pounds, plow snow, run the dunes, pull a plow, etc.

Anyways, I was pointing out the 100+ year old technology of electric inter urban type passenger trains around the world.
Those EV roadways made me think they are a modern version of those trains.[/quote]


OK, I can see the basic similarity, but of course the main point is that far more vehicles will use the new technology.
 
And the majority here thinks every one of them has to be able to haul 18k pounds, plow snow, run the dunes, pull a plow, etc.

Yup, that is probably only 2 percent of the new vehicle market or less, and way more than an average half ton pickup or SUV is capable of handling.
 
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