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MarkB_MI

MarkB_MI

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It seems Toyota started making use of a key fob for remote start a subscription service back in 2018, with the first three years being free. Buyers of 2018 Toyotas are now finding they can't start their cars with the fob unless they pay eight bucks a month.

Can you say 'class action lawsuit', boys and girls?
8 bucks a month to use remote start
 
Toyota isn't a foreign car. They have more US content than any vehicle from the so-called domestic vehicles. Tundra is more American built than a Chevy Silverado. That's why I purchased a Toyota Sienna, it was built in my state, and Toyota provides secondary supplier jobs in my county.

That said, I do not defend this backwards idea that will fail in court. You paid for an option, it's yours. Glad mine is a 2017.
 
This will just be the beginning. I have said ever since the auto makers opened their own finance division that they are not in the market to sell a car they are in the market to get you to pay interest. Now it will be subscription fees. The automobile is what they use to get you hooked.
 
could it be someone has to pay for the cellular service?? I bet the contract expired with a carrier and now they have to renegotiate. Usually its 10 bucks a month.
 
> could it be someone has to pay for the cellular service?? I bet the contract expired with a carrier and now they have to renegotiate. Usually its 10 bucks a month.

I think it's obvious Toyota is using the car's cell phone connection to disable the key fob start. And I doubt Toyota would fail to pay its phone bill; without cell service they'd have no way to turn the feature back on when the <del>hostage</del> customer pays their <del>ransom</del> subscription fee.
 
Some will complain, but they will pay for the convenience. I like to be in the drivers seat while starting the engine.
 
Assembled in the USA...about 10 hours of labor per vehicle.....but engineered, designed, and tooled in Japan. They get the high paying white collar jobs and we get the $18/hr grunt jobs. And we get to give them $1billion in tax incentives per Texas plant to entice them to give us grunt jobs. Just another reason why the American middle class is sliding backwards.
 
Guess that is why JD rebrands and sells foreign built tractors.Auto industry is so scrambled these days its hard to say who builds what where.BTW hope you don't buy any products from that German company Monsanto.
 
Interesting post, very timely information for me. I will be buying a new vehicle this coming year. I will be reading the fine print, for sure. BTW - I wonder how many Toyota sales persons knew of the fine print and elected not to mention it...?
 
> Nope! Married twice, first wife and first son died, married to second wife for 28 years and 2 grown kids.

You might be surprised how much your wife uses her remote start. I found out when my wife's car threw a Check Engine error and wouldn't accept a remote start command anymore. She wasn't too concerned about the Check Engine light, but she sure wanted that remote start fixed ASAP.
 
I agree. I've never seen a need for it, and I've always considered it a toy that people opt for for no other reason than because it's available.

I have to remember a time when one of my wife's brothers, Ed, had a Dodge pickup with an aftermarket remote start on it. He parked it in a detached garage about 30 feet from his house, and one morning he reached out the front door and hit the button for the remote start.

The pickup wasn't clicked all the way from Reverse to Park, and when the engine started, the pickup backed out through the garage door, went down the driveway, and finally stalled against a light pole across the street. That was a busy street, and he was lucky the pickup didn't hit any traffic.

I'm sure a factory installed unit would have protection against that happening, but still........
 
(quoted from post at 14:17:53 12/14/21) Interesting post, very timely information for me. I will be buying a new vehicle this coming year. I will be reading the fine print, for sure. BTW -[b:0c92e5ea2a] I wonder how many Toyota sales persons knew of the fine print and elected not to mention it[/b:0c92e5ea2a]...?
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All of them.
 
(quoted from post at 14:29:37 12/14/21) I agree. I've never seen a need for it, and I've always considered it a toy that people opt for for no other reason than because it's available.

I have to remember a time when one of my wife's brothers, Ed, had a Dodge pickup with an aftermarket remote start on it. He parked it in a detached garage about 30 feet from his house, and one morning he reached out the front door and hit the button for the remote start.

The pickup wasn't clicked all the way from Reverse to Park, and when the engine started, the pickup backed out through the garage door, went down the driveway, and finally stalled against a light pole across the street. That was a busy street, and he was lucky the pickup didn't hit any traffic.

I'm sure a factory installed unit would have protection against that happening, but still........
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I've had remote start for over 20 years and like it a lot. That thing with Dodge trucks not being all the way in park was a known issue, and subject of a major recall.
 
(quoted from post at 08:42:09 12/14/21) Still a foreign company
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It is listed on the New York stock exchange as well as several others. It is as American and GM or Ford, and makes vehicles far superior to Ford or GM junk. I would never again purchase a Ford or GM product but have purchased several Mazda and Toyota vehicles.

As far as paying a fee for remote start it is a service and I wouldn't want to pay for it but there are jurisdictions where it is not legal to have your vehicle running without you being with it anyway. We used to write tickets for that in the winter when we could spot running cars in driveways with no one inside.
 
My sister bought a 2019 Tundra new and it's been a really good truck. Honestly if they made a heavier duty truck I'd look at one. Her's doesn't have the remote start and I can't really see any reason for it. I bought a used Ford 500 that had an aftermarket remote start on it. I didn't know what the button was on the extra key fob until I pushed it and the car started. Scared the heck out of me for a second. I took that fob off and hung it up and haven't used it since. The car itself is great and is still getting me back and forth to work.
 
I use mine as well, mainly the one for truck. It warms it up as long as I dont leave the settings on AC, which I sometimes do, even in the winter. My Mustang will remote start, but I usualy dont because it takes longer to get thawed out than the 20 minutes that using the fob allows me to use. But this is my first winter with this particualr Mustang, so Im probably missing something.
 
We bought a 2019 Highlander that has the keyfob, but not remote start. I had a hard time setting the garage door opener in the car's controls. My youngest son worked for John Deere at that time, installing and troubleshooting GPS systems, so I got him to look at it. He was able to make it work, but he said it was as simple as the manual described.

Butch
 
I bought a new Tundra in 2018. It didnt come with remote start. The salesman told me that they have an after market unit that is plug and play and goes farther than the Toyota and Toyota sells it. So if you dont want to pay the monthly service, then dont. After owning the Toyota i wouldnt drive anything else. What i have noticed in town is that if you see a Toyota in front of a house, there is also one parked in the garage. People love them.
 
I don't think that the other 3 company's are American cars and trucks with all the foreign parts in them. There are more american parts in a Tundra made in Texas than the other 3 brands.
 
(quoted from post at 13:21:30 12/14/21) In the end toyota $ end up in japan.

Pete
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Yes. Just like the $$$ spent on computers, phones and all sorts of other electronic gadgets ends up in China.

Minus the $$$ that go to local store employees, truck drivers, shipyard workers, auto dealers, auto repair techs, etc. of course.

Those $$$ stay in whichever country they are earned in. At least until the wage earner buys a Toyota or a computer, etc. Then the circle starts again.
 
Lets hook one of those toyotas to a stock trailer or a 500 bushel wagon and see what good they are!
 
(quoted from post at 11:27:45 12/14/21) What i have noticed in town is that if you see a Toyota in front of a house, there is also one parked in the garage. People love them.
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You have to have two to keep one running???
 
(quoted from post at 13:49:34 12/14/21) Lets hook one of those toyotas to a stock trailer or a 500 bushel wagon and see what good they are!
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Ah, but does Toyota make a truck in the class required to do the jobs you are referring to?

Apples and oranges.
 
This good enough for you? My truck went down for a while and my sisters Toyota pulled every bumper hitch trailer I have until I could get it fixed. It pulls a couple small trailers all the time.
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But there are certainly less American hours in the vehicle (like design, engineering, financial, tooling). Those white collar hours count too and are much higher tax payers as American citizens than a bunch of execs and engineers in based in Tokyo.
 
Yes I have noticed houses with 2 Chevys, or 2 Fords,or 2 Dodges....loyalty to a brand...Like Deere or IH... is not exclusive to Toyota.
 
> My Mustang will remote start, but I usualy dont because it takes longer to get thawed out than the 20 minutes that using the fob allows me to use.

Holy cow, my Duramax doesn't take that long to get warmed up in 10&deg;F weather. (Any colder than that and I plug it in.)
 
They learned it from Oliver and allis chalmers and international and ford . John Deere tried to build there own compact tractor which is the only one they dont make by the way but they couldnt keep up with the price point of the junk the other companies were selling
 
I dont know if they STILL have the law on the books, but
it used to be illegal to start your car and leave it
unattended in Wichita, Kansas. Too many people stealing
the idling cars.
 
Its enough to allow me to drive it and see out the windshield, but I have to scrape the side windows, and the temp gauge is barely off the C mark. My 14 was the same way.
 

Remote starts are extremely popular in my area. You could look out the office window around 5pm in the winter and see a dozen or more vehicles warming up for their owners. I know of some folks that don't wear coats to work in cold weather and they just zip out of the building into the warm car. Same in the morning at their house. Seems wrong to me.... Lots of wasted fuel, etc.
 
(quoted from post at 21:20:26 12/14/21) Not even close
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Well, I don't pretend to be an expert on hauling equipment but if I had to guess I'd say that Dodge might not be enough truck for that load.

It will probably pull it but can it stop it? It looks like a 1 ton but maybe it's bigger? I can't tell from that photo.

Regardless, as I said earlier, Toyota doesn't make a truck in that class so how can you compare them? You can't.

Now, I expect you could get a Hino truck to do that job. Hino is a subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corporation. I assume you know of Hino trucks?

So, in effect, a Toyota could probably haul that load.
 
(quoted from post at 23:24:25 12/14/21) I dont know if they STILL have the law on the books, but
it used to be illegal to start your car and leave it
unattended in Wichita, Kansas. Too many people stealing
the idling cars.
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I think most laws have a provision for a car idling with no keys in the ignition lock. If you step on the brake pedal to put it in gear, the engine stops.
 
If you use the remote to start my Chevy truck the door has to be locked, if you leave it locked that makes it legal in MN, I think. I have
had a garage most of my life, but the last winter I worked we were in an apartment, and I parked outside. I could start my truck from the
window, it was pretty handy.
 
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(quoted from post at 21:20:26 12/14/21) Not even close
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Well, I don't pretend to be an expert on hauling equipment but if I had to guess I'd say that Dodge might not be enough truck for that load.

It will probably pull it but can it stop it? It looks like a 1 ton but maybe it's bigger? I can't tell from that photo.

Regardless, as I said earlier, Toyota doesn't make a truck in that class so how can you compare them? You can't.

Now, I expect you could get a Hino truck to do that job. Hino is a subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corporation. I assume you know of Hino trucks?

So, in effect, a Toyota could probably haul that load.
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Ram 3500 will tow up to 37,000. I think he'll be ok there. I just ordered a Ram 3500, but I didn't get the 4x2, so my max towing is only 31,200Lbs(derated due to 4x4). Of course, any load like that will have trailer brakes, and the proper actuator.
 
A brick through the window, maybe? I didnt write the law, but I remember it being on the books.
 

On our Chevy's the doors are locked when using the remote start. Even if you smashed the window you wouldn't get anywhere, as the key needs to be inserted into the ignition and turned to the "on" position in order to unlock the steering wheel and take it out of "park".
 
(quoted from post at 08:31:26 12/14/21) Thats REMOTE start, not start. I doubt many here use it anyways.
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Around here remote start has the fog cleared off the windshield on a couple of minutes .
Where do you reside ?
Now I do not agree with running the vehicle 20 minutes so fussy women can have it 80F in the winter and 60F in the summer prior to entering the vehicle .
We plug in the block heater so the engine provides almost instant heat to clear the windshield of frost .
 
The Tundra is rated in the 9,000 pound range. I've hooked up a fully loaded 16 foot stock trailer when my 3/4 ton Chevy was down. The suspension dropped more than I cared for. Certainly more than my Chevy but that's to be expected. That 5.7 engine in that Tundra didn't even know the trailer was back there. It honestly pulled the trailer as well as my 454. The bad news is Toyota discontinued the 5.7 in favor of a turbocharged v6. Bad idea in my opinion. The other thing I don't care for is the 5 bolt wheel pattern. Maybe it's old thinking but that used to mean a lighter duty axle. I would compare the Tundra to any 1/2 ton truck on the market. Half ton trucks are not made for pulling lots of trailers or hauling heavy loads every day. It will do it on occasion but it's not equipped to do it on a daily basis. It's completely unfair and unrealistic to try to compare a heavy duty work truck to a lighter duty occasional use truck.
 
You guys want to compare loads.One shows a road train from Australia And one shows a pickup with a loader loaded. Then say after the road train all else must be a toy. Not sure what the weight limit is on the road train. Here we load 11 akles with 160,000 plus gross weight and I know some days those gravel trains have more on them and grain loads in the 1600-1800 bushel legal. I'm sure some have loaded 2000bushel when they thought they could get away with it. Easy to get 2000 on some trucks here with those high sides. Our one trailer if filled clear up would probably be close to 1400maybe even 1500 if I pushed it some. Never tried that much on it. Would like a couple or three lift axles for it though so we could.
 
Of course the discussion ends up in the weeds. Now we're comparing one ton dually pickups with mid-size pickups. I want to compare the relative merits of a Porsche 911 with a Buick Roadmaster. They're both cars, right?
 
(quoted from post at 01:35:10 12/15/21)
(quoted from post at 08:31:26 12/14/21) Thats REMOTE start, not start. I doubt many here use it anyways.
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Around here remote start has the fog cleared off the windshield on a couple of minutes .
Where do you reside ?
Now I do not agree with running the vehicle 20 minutes so fussy women can have it 80F in the winter and 60F in the summer prior to entering the vehicle .
We plug in the block heater so the engine provides almost instant heat to clear the windshield of frost .
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Buffalo NY, we can have 1/4" of ice on the glass so hard that the scraper just bounces off it. You need to run the vehicle for 10 minutes just to soften the ice enough to scrape it.

Very few vehicles come equipped with block heaters here, aside from diesel trucks.
 
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