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Geo-TH,In
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I bought a new/used car. It was new because the title was a new title, never
transferred.
The dealer used it, 5000 miles.
All the money you lose when buying a new car, the dealer lost by driving it 5000
miles.
WIN?WIN for me.
You just proved why you shouldn't buy anything sight on seen.
I suppose you could call the dealer that sold you the tractor and tell him to take it
back if 15 hours is a big deal. You may have to pay the return shipping.
I think my new 2019 Kubota had about 6 hours on it. Didn't look like anyone used it. I
bought it Nov 30 2019.
transferred.
The dealer used it, 5000 miles.
All the money you lose when buying a new car, the dealer lost by driving it 5000
miles.
WIN?WIN for me.
You just proved why you shouldn't buy anything sight on seen.
I suppose you could call the dealer that sold you the tractor and tell him to take it
back if 15 hours is a big deal. You may have to pay the return shipping.
I think my new 2019 Kubota had about 6 hours on it. Didn't look like anyone used it. I
bought it Nov 30 2019.
Janicholson
Well-known Member
From the first start off the assembly line, to the driving it at and around the dealership, to warmup time before test drives, I
think there is neither cause for alarm, or any probable success in protesting the deal. If it had worn paint in the hitch linkage,
and scuff marks indicating field use, I would document them and use substantial effort to see if I got a reasonable deal. If it
was a good deal and no issue with warranty I would be happy as is. (opinion) Jim
think there is neither cause for alarm, or any probable success in protesting the deal. If it had worn paint in the hitch linkage,
and scuff marks indicating field use, I would document them and use substantial effort to see if I got a reasonable deal. If it
was a good deal and no issue with warranty I would be happy as is. (opinion) Jim
Been a dealer for years and anything of 10 or so I usually make sure I tell the customer. Lots of
things but right now would be real easy to see one with those hours. It may have been to a diffrent
dealer . Loading from the factory , unloading and customers running it on the dealers lot. I am like
Jan unless the drawbar shows wear probably is just been around some. Some dealers actually disable
the tach while a unit is on the lot to prevent just what you are experiencing. Not as easy to do
that now days as it used to be just unscrewing the tach cabel .
things but right now would be real easy to see one with those hours. It may have been to a diffrent
dealer . Loading from the factory , unloading and customers running it on the dealers lot. I am like
Jan unless the drawbar shows wear probably is just been around some. Some dealers actually disable
the tach while a unit is on the lot to prevent just what you are experiencing. Not as easy to do
that now days as it used to be just unscrewing the tach cabel .
Ive seen new tractors with as many as 24 hours. Like others
said thats every timed minute since it rolled off the line.
Quality testing, moving around the yard, maybe a few test
drives all good. Just make sure the delivery hours are
documented on the bill of sale for warranty thats when it
becomes a big deal!
said thats every timed minute since it rolled off the line.
Quality testing, moving around the yard, maybe a few test
drives all good. Just make sure the delivery hours are
documented on the bill of sale for warranty thats when it
becomes a big deal!
KCTractors
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- Location
- Central Wi
I just my new LS MT342 last Tuesday, had 1.4 hours on it.
KCTractors
Member
- Location
- Central Wi
I just got my new LS MT342 last Tuesday, had 1.4 hours on it.
Thanks, everyone. Had the salesman been upfront, I may have mentioned it and tried to get a discount on it or an attachment. I don't know what good could come of it now though. Other than it being a little dirty (I think from rain and dust), I see no evidence it was used in the field for work. Just a bit surprised 15 hrs could be racked up otherwise. :shock: I also got a good deal on it...better than any other I could find for the same tractor. Guess I can't really complain.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/05/2021 at 07:16 pm.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/05/2021 at 07:16 pm.
Matthewthomas50
Member
Thats not new. Not sure of the situation, but 15 hours is
almost two days work in a 40 hour work week. However,
its too late anyway since your asking here rather than
talking to the dealer about this problem, so hope it works
out and you enjoy your tractor.
almost two days work in a 40 hour work week. However,
its too late anyway since your asking here rather than
talking to the dealer about this problem, so hope it works
out and you enjoy your tractor.
Matthewthomas50
Member
Literally said 40 hour work week. Nothing to do with union. Milked cows in high school and college, put in a lot more than 40 hours a week without time an a half or union benefits so I hear you. Fully understand you many hours can be worked in a week, thanks bro.
Moonlite37
Well-known Member
Enjoy your tractor.
Jim.ME
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- Location
- central ME
Define new. Never having been sold prior to your purchase is new. Is this a "New" 2021 model, 2020 model, 2019 model? A never sold 2019 model is still new but may have been jockeyed around during showings or just moving around the yard as inventory changes were made over time. If in a snow belt area, it may have been started, moved, and let run to warm up every time snow was cleared from the yard. Should the dealer have mentioned the hours, sure. Should you have asked, given you were buying sight unseen, sure. Best to do now is confirm with the dealer when the warranty clock started ticking. Just my thoughts.
Traditional Farmer
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- Location
- Virginia
Probably the tractor the dealer let people drive around the yard to see how they liked it before custom ordering one,sold to the first person that bought one that didn't come look physically at it.
Next time insist on a picture of the hour meter,most used tractor ads at least have that.
Next time insist on a picture of the hour meter,most used tractor ads at least have that.
knightstead
Member
Youre right, us lazy union guys never work one second of overtime. Hahahaha. I understand you work hard, but please realize that youre not the only one to do that.
larry zielkowski
Well-known Member
you might be able to renegotiate but you stated you got a good deal regardless. So I would just enjoy the new tractor
Carlmac 369
Member
Whose fault is that?
Allen Goodman
Member
I'd be happy with that many hours. We just closed our 82 year old dealership last December. We sold LS tractors as our new line. I had units where potential customers would test drive them with an hour on them when the tractor would go into Limp Mode requiring complete regen procedures which would require running the tractor adding more hours. So 15 hours tells me there's nothing wrong with the tractor and has been checked out. Nothing worst than getting a 0 hour tractor and having it go down. We've experienced that several times also.
John Deere D
Well-known Member
You could consider how fortunate you are, to have NOT ran the machine with no hours...I'm sure you were given a bit of a
$$$$ deal as you purchased outside your state.
Electrical control boards die often when first placed into service. You now own a tried and tested machine.
Just like marring a widow!
Bob..
$$$$ deal as you purchased outside your state.
Electrical control boards die often when first placed into service. You now own a tried and tested machine.
Just like marring a widow!
Bob..
1948CaseVAI
Well-known Member
If you are the first owner other than the dealer then it is new. Hours has nothing to do with it. It's not like they tried to hide it or roll the hour meter back. Enjoy your tractor and stop thinking everyone is trying to rip you off.
Pete in Holland MI
Member
Often, tractor dealerships loan tractors to parades, old tractor shows & such. Often used to pull wagons or light duty work
like that. If there's a bunch of wear on the hitch system, that'd be a some concern to me.
If you bought it out of state because of a better deal rather than the local guy, you opened yourself up for a options to get
the price down that you did not question at the time of purchase.
Enjoy the tractor !
like that. If there's a bunch of wear on the hitch system, that'd be a some concern to me.
If you bought it out of state because of a better deal rather than the local guy, you opened yourself up for a options to get
the price down that you did not question at the time of purchase.
Enjoy the tractor !
Keith True
Well-known Member
I have always wondered about that a little.When I worked for the JD dealer we were always setting up a tractor and dropping it off
for a customer to try out.The owner must have had a good feel for people,I can only remember having to haul one back home in about
3 years.When I worked for a contractor I remember machines being tried out a lot.When he wanted a dozer he tried a D6 Cat,a D65
Komatsu,and a JD 850.He bought the JD.In excavators he tried out a Link Belt,a Cat,and a Komatsu.He bought the Link Belt.Same thing
with a rubber tired backhoe.He tried a Case 580,a Cat 416,and a JD 310.He bought the JD.Anything he couldn't work for a day was not
in the running for consideration.
for a customer to try out.The owner must have had a good feel for people,I can only remember having to haul one back home in about
3 years.When I worked for a contractor I remember machines being tried out a lot.When he wanted a dozer he tried a D6 Cat,a D65
Komatsu,and a JD 850.He bought the JD.In excavators he tried out a Link Belt,a Cat,and a Komatsu.He bought the Link Belt.Same thing
with a rubber tired backhoe.He tried a Case 580,a Cat 416,and a JD 310.He bought the JD.Anything he couldn't work for a day was not
in the running for consideration.
To Showcrop and 1948:
Please read my posts more carefully. I never said anyone tried to rip me off. I stated I was surprised then went on to say it's all good since I got a good deal. The intent here was for me to understand how a new tractor has 15 hours on it. I made an assumption that "new" meant something along the lines of an hour or two. I'm good with it. Not complaining. Just here to learn.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/06/2021 at 08:13 am.
Please read my posts more carefully. I never said anyone tried to rip me off. I stated I was surprised then went on to say it's all good since I got a good deal. The intent here was for me to understand how a new tractor has 15 hours on it. I made an assumption that "new" meant something along the lines of an hour or two. I'm good with it. Not complaining. Just here to learn.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/06/2021 at 08:13 am.
Thanks. I wanted to buy from my local dealer. I've been buying and renting from them for 30 yrs. I really like them and have had an excellent relationship with them. However, they were out of stock on the tractor I wanted and couldn't get one until April...at the very earliest. They admitted it could even by months more than that. Unfortunately, I needed a tractor now and explained that I had found one out of state. They said they understood and would buy it if in my shoes...then told me they would do the warranty work should a problem arise.
BarnyardEngineering
Well-known Member
- Location
- Rochester, NY
You never said it but your tone implied that you were not happy and feeling ripped off. Otherwise why even ask? It's not rocket science how a new tractor gets 15 hours on it: Someone operated it for 15 hours. Whether it was sent out as a loaner, or demonstrated to a couple of interested customers, or used around the shop.
I think there's some legal number of hours where a tractor can no longer be sold as new, but it's a lot more than 15 hours. I mean, 15 hours out of an expected lifespan of 15,000 is 1/1000 of the tractor's value. So if you paid $32000 for the tractor, you're "entitled" to $32. You can contrive the numbers to whatever you want but the reality is the "lost" value of the tractor in those few hours is trivial. Not worth quibbling over or burning a bridge.
I think there's some legal number of hours where a tractor can no longer be sold as new, but it's a lot more than 15 hours. I mean, 15 hours out of an expected lifespan of 15,000 is 1/1000 of the tractor's value. So if you paid $32000 for the tractor, you're "entitled" to $32. You can contrive the numbers to whatever you want but the reality is the "lost" value of the tractor in those few hours is trivial. Not worth quibbling over or burning a bridge.
Sorry if my tone sounded that way. It's part of the issue of communicating online, without seeing the individual speaking in person with their tone, body language, etc. Again, I was more curious than anything. I just never would have guessed there would be more than a few hours on a "new" tractor. Now I have a better understanding of why it had 15 hours.
Thanks for everyone's quick replies and thoughts.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/06/2021 at 09:33 am.
Pete in MD
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- Location
- Central Maryland
Since you have an excellent relationship with your local dealer why don't you ask him.
Even though the tractor came from an out of state dealer your local dealer might know why it had 15 hours on
it.
Doesn't cost anything to ask.
Even though the tractor came from an out of state dealer your local dealer might know why it had 15 hours on
it.
Doesn't cost anything to ask.
Well, we sold a 'new' mower a couple weeks ago that had 5 hours on it. How did that happen, you say? Well, it was uncrated back in May or
June, and ran in and out of the warehouse about every work day since then. Maybe a few minutes run time to keep the battery charged too. It
adds up.
June, and ran in and out of the warehouse about every work day since then. Maybe a few minutes run time to keep the battery charged too. It
adds up.
(quoted from post at 16:25:40 12/06/21)/quote](quoted from post at 12:24:01 12/06/21) showcrop you should read his post it says nothing about begin RIPPED OFF It says droped off
grizz02, if you scroll down to fishugly's second post you will see the "ripped off"
Not sure if you're trying to be funny, or you're just having a bad reading comprehension type of day but, I never said anyone was trying to rip me off.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/07/2021 at 10:39 am.
showcrop
Well-known Member
(quoted from post at 09:16:49 12/07/21)(quoted from post at 16:25:40 12/06/21)/quote](quoted from post at 12:24:01 12/06/21) showcrop you should read his post it says nothing about begin RIPPED OFF It says droped off
grizz02, if you scroll down to fishugly's second post you will see the "ripped off"
Not sure if you're trying to be funny, or you're just having a bad reading comprehension type of day but, I never said anyone was trying to rip me off.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/07/2021 at 10:39 am.
Sorry, my bad. I meant to refer to your statement about the salesman not being upfront and I was thinking of that when I read Grizz' post.
(quoted from post at 15:27:29 12/07/21)(quoted from post at 09:16:49 12/07/21)(quoted from post at 16:25:40 12/06/21)/quote](quoted from post at 12:24:01 12/06/21) showcrop you should read his post it says nothing about begin RIPPED OFF It says droped off
grizz02, if you scroll down to fishugly's second post you will see the "ripped off"
Not sure if you're trying to be funny, or you're just having a bad reading comprehension type of day but, I never said anyone was trying to rip me off.
This post was edited by Fishugly on 12/07/2021 at 10:39 am.
Sorry, my bad. I meant to refer to your statement about the salesman not being upfront and I was thinking of that when I read Grizz' post.
No worries. Thanks!
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