Identifying / evaluating a few barn find tractors

DynahoeDave · Aug 8, 2021

Hi everyone... I think I was on this group many years ago for a stretch, dealing with a Ford 4000 based machine.

Anyway, today I came across some old tractors at an estate sale. I only have basic info so far -

1920 Ford Ferguson
1940 IH
1950 [lost track of the brand! thought it was in the notes..] with a front loader bucket.

All have been parked in a barn for many years.

Obviously, I need names model numbers serial numbers to try to identify and maybe get an idea of value on these. Any hints as to location of the important info [nameplates?] on any of these would help.

Thank you,
Dave

DeltaRed · Aug 8, 2021

Get us at least one picture of each.

55 50 Ron · Aug 8, 2021

can you get photos? photos would be of immense help.

55 50 Ron · Aug 8, 2021

Sorry Delta Red hope I didn't steal your thunder.

used red MN · Aug 9, 2021

Hello Dave welcome to YT! I posted a link to a web site
called Tractordata.com, more specifically to one of the
popular 1940 IH models the H. If you scroll to the bottom of
that page at the top of the serial number section there is a
link there to a photo of where the name plate is on the
tractor. So when you find out the make and model you can
click the large Tractordata print and it will take you to the
list of brands. From there you can navigate to any tractor
and find the serial number location. To post a pic here you
will need a post count of 5. Otherwise you can go to the
..Site Comments.. section and ask the moderator for
permission. This is done to keep unfriendly from dumping
nasty photos on a family oriented forum.
Tractordata Farmall H

gene bender · Aug 9, 2021

The valu will be determined the day of the sale by the bidders. Some mite not even sell because there will not be anyone
who want it.Location and condition are big factors as always.

Bill(Wis) · Aug 9, 2021

The Ford Ferguson (a Ford tractor with the Ferguson 3 point lift system) didn't come out until 1939 as the Model 9N.

tomturkey · Aug 9, 2021

DynahoeDave; reading your post reminded me of a funny event between me and my future bride. I was working the afternoon/evening
shift at a small commercial plating plant. She would sometimes come by after work to borrow my car. She said she was going to a
local mall and she would pick me up at the end of my shift. About two hours after leaving I got a phone call, Honey I'm lost and
need directions to get back down town. I ask where are you?Don't know I'm lost she said. Where ya calling from? A gas station
well ask him where you are! I don't want him to know I'm lost Well I'll never be able to give you directions if I don't know where
you are, put the station attendent on the phone. No offense intended, but your question about what the tractors are, are like helping my
Girl friend find her way home. Good luck finding out what you need to know, may you find the rarest most valuable collector out
there. gobble

DynahoeDave · Aug 9, 2021

I'll see about getting pictures. I figured that would help, but didn't have any way to get them before - We'll need some light in the place to get any kind of decent picture. For me, it's more about seeing if I can help them find a good home. They are part of an estate sale, and have to go somewhere. They are in central Connecticut. I know some models are more collectable than others, ETC. I had to start somewhere...

db4600 · Aug 9, 2021

1920 is Fordson era. Harrys first go around was the Ferguson Brown which started in 1934.

DynahoeDave · Aug 9, 2021

The Ford / Ferguson tractor - since I can't post pics yet - The front has an oval Ford badge, and a Ferguson system rectangular badge crimped onto the wide vertical center post of the radiator grill. Possibly the year is wrong, as it was just info told to me.

DynahoeDave · Aug 9, 2021

The Ford has a big circular saw mounted on the back, and a spare blade. The blade is close to the diameter of the front wheels, which are thinner and bigger diameter than I'm used to seeing on the newer Farmall and IH tractors I've seen.

The IH has the front & rear wheels are off center relative to the engine & transmission, and has a sickle bar mower attached.

The tractor with the loader - The pics I have right now are not great... It has a Ford sticker from the equipment dealer on it, and the sheet metal top cover shroud that I can see looks a bit like the Ford 4000 [and the other models that had a Select-O-Speed transmission] I worked on years ago.

Bill(Wis) · Aug 10, 2021

8nford.com That will take you to the Ford Fordson Collectors Association site. A gentleman named John Smith has pictures and descriptions of every Ford tractor of that
era.

DynahoeDave · Aug 10, 2021

Those pictures are very similar. I should be able to post some pics soon, and get more.

On the vertical wide piece that the rectangular badge is on, it has slots cut / pressed through it immediately below the badge.

DynahoeDave · Aug 12, 2021

Ok, made a trip to the tractors today -

The Ford Ferguson has 9N62271 on the block, up by the head. Going by the info on the Ford collectors page, its a 1941.

The IH one has a couple of numbers on castings - 1228Z and another 251341R7.

The newer Ford has a round badge in the front [hidden by the loader frame] Jubilee 1953. Also found EAE 6015-D on a casting.

Pictures in a bit.

Rodney51Cub · Aug 12, 2021

(quoted from post at 20:38:40 08/12/21)
The IH one has a couple of numbers on castings - 1228Z and another 251341R7.Pictures in a bit.

1228Z is a casting code of Dec 28 1954.
251341R7 is a engine block number for a Farmall Cub.

It should look something like this 51 model.

This post was edited by Rodney51Cub on 08/13/2021 at 02:21 pm.

DynahoeDave · Aug 12, 2021

Here are 3 pics of the IH-

DynahoeDave · Aug 12, 2021

Here is the Ford Ferguson -

DynahoeDave · Aug 12, 2021

Ford Jubilee -

Bill(Wis) · Aug 13, 2021

Tread pattern of rear tires is that of the original and I would bet they are the original tires. Very littl wear so that tractor has seen very little use in my opinion
although there is the possibility that it spent a good deal of its time running a buzz saw. If the engine can be turned over that would be great. If not, there are ways
of coaxing it. Looks like it might have sat inside the shed for a long time. Also a plus. No rain getting into things like the shifter boot allowing water in. It looks
like a fair cadidate for restoration for someone so motivated. I recommend that you take your pictures and info to each of the other appropriate forums on this website
and solicit as much advice as possible from those boys. That would be the 9N,8N forum and the Ford Forum for the Jube. Some of those guys have been working on those
tractors since they were about 3 years old but seldom or never venture over here. Bruce VA 75 Tips, for example, are invaluable to someone repairing or restoring a Ford
N. Good Luck.

Bill(Wis) · Aug 13, 2021

Not knowing how much experience you have in this type of thing, I want to point out that restoring old farm tractors has to be a labor of love because way more money will
be spent on the restoration than the tractor will ever be worth. With that in mind, my choice for a complete restoration would be the Jubilee because it was a much better
tractor than the 9N or 8N. Most of my friends in this business agree that a restored and well maintained Jubilee could still be running 100 years from now. They were one
of the best little tractors ever made with emphasis on 'little'. We did not consider them safe. They were simply too small and light to be horsing heavy loaded wagons
around particularly if you had to deal with hilly terrain. They were not a very good loader tractor. Too light in the rear end although weight can be added. Front ends
are a little too light also. The Industrial versions were much better for loader work but most of them have been pretty well destroyed from overwork and under
maintenance. Well, that's my 2 cents worth and I'm sticking to it.

Carlmac 369 · Aug 13, 2021

(quoted from post at 17:52:12 08/13/21) Not knowing how much experience you have in this type of thing, I want to point out that restoring old farm tractors has to be a labor of love because way more money will
be spent on the restoration than the tractor will ever be worth. With that in mind, my choice for a complete restoration would be the Jubilee because it was a much better
tractor than the 9N or 8N. Most of my friends in this business agree that a restored and well maintained Jubilee could still be running 100 years from now. They were one
of the best little tractors ever made with emphasis on 'little'. We did not consider them safe. They were simply too small and light to be horsing heavy loaded wagons
around particularly if you had to deal with hilly terrain. They were not a very good loader tractor. Too light in the rear end although weight can be added. Front ends
are a little too light also. The Industrial versions were much better for loader work but most of them have been pretty well destroyed from overwork and under
maintenance. Well, that's my 2 cents worth and I'm sticking to it.

Very good analysis.

spacechem · Aug 14, 2021

Portable scales would be a place to start...

DynahoeDave · Aug 14, 2021

I was just looking for a rough idea what the owner can reasonably ask for them, as they are. I know some are common as dirt, and some can be rare. I would not expect to make $ restoring one. Obviously, if they were checked as far as the engine turns, or even runs, they could get more $, but I don't have time to get that involved.

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