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Sign of the times around here anyway.Here in Southwest Washington good farmland has been disappearing do to residential/light industrial development for decades now.But boy here in the last few years it's gone nuts.Lost half of a good hayfield I rent this year.All over the county same thing.And then there's all the people!It's unbelievable.Not the same County I grew up in at all.Thinking pretty hard about selling my place here and moving to Eastern Washington or Idaho.Speaking of Idaho same thing going on there.Ok done complaining now.
Paul
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Here in southern ca. where I live, every bit of bean, and hay ground is gone to houses, or industrial buildings. I go by the home place about every day. About the only thing left is a few trees my grand mother planted back in the 30's. Everything else is hoses. Like you said not the same place I grew up in. Miss those days. Stan
 
Houses take less water than agriculture, that's the reason in Arizona. There are other places to grow crops where there is normally plenty of water, and nobody wants to live!
 
Plenty of space here in ND, the small towns are still withering up. The only development is near the larger cities.
 
If you listen to the talk on this forum you would think everyone is escaping the west coast for the heavenly land in the mid-west. Facts are the opposite. Population growth is very slow in the prairie states. Contrary to what you read here, the far west is growing rapidly.
And those 3 states pay a higher and disproportionate share of taxes vs. money received back from the federal govt. Worst states for taxes paid vs. Money back from feds...Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama.
 
Over production is US farmers biggest problem, cutting back is not even in the vocabulary. Every year advances in agriculture more than offset the small looses in farm ground and production continues to increase.

Farm land owners don't get hurt by development, real estate exchange rules allow them to sell to developers and purchase five times the acreage two counties over without a tax hit except the county transfer fees. Most cry all the way to the bank.
 
Paul,
Are you down in Clark County?
I'm up in Lewis, but was recently heartbroken to drive by the farm I grew up on in Ridgefield...
Now 400 acres of tract houses.
Older brother still lives out Orchards way, where he's lived for for 40 years used to be the edge of the world. Now it'd practically be downtown.

As with everything else, Blessing and Curse at the same time.

Fr. Bob
 
(quoted from post at 18:06:35 07/24/21) If you listen to the talk on this forum you would think everyone is escaping the west coast for the heavenly land in the mid-west. Facts are the opposite. Population growth is very slow in the prairie states. Contrary to what you read here, the far west is growing rapidly.
And those 3 states pay a higher and disproportionate share of taxes vs. money received back from the federal govt. Worst states for taxes paid vs. Money back from feds...Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama.
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Population growth may be slow, but our valuable farm land is still being swallowed up by wind and solar industrial installations.
 
(quoted from post at 18:06:35 07/24/21) If you listen to the talk on this forum you would think everyone is escaping the west coast for the heavenly land in the mid-west. Facts are the opposite. Population growth is very slow in the prairie states. Contrary to what you read here, the far west is growing rapidly.
And those 3 states pay a higher and disproportionate share of taxes vs. money received back from the federal govt. Worst states for taxes paid vs. Money back from feds...Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama.
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The four states that pay the most in against what they get back are: New York, which paid in US$22 billion more than it received; New Jersey, which paid $12 billion more; Massachusetts, which paid $9 billion more; and Connecticut, which paid $8 billion more than it received. My New Hampshire is close behind. Your three Southeast states are the highest TAKERS.
 
It's glass panels in Iowa. Company wants to put 3,500-23,000 acres of good Iowa farm ground under glass. Just moronic.
AaronSEIA
 
Correct...and amazing how those states vote to reduce govt. Bite the hand that feeds you. I live in one of those states and the people
here do not realize the fact that they get back far more than they pay in.
 
What is even more crazy is how the Reps from those states vote for more gov't freebies,guess its only fair that those that vote for them get to pay(LOL).Someone wants to stand on the corner and hand out $100 bills might as well take some.
 
Across the mid-west many farmers did a modified development plan...drive down any rural highway and it is lined with houses on 2 acre lots.
The farmer sold off the road frontage for houses, and farmed the land behind it. It's been going on forever.
 
If there wasn't a willing landowner,there wouldn't be these sales. Population grows.always has always will. Sounds like some have a real conundrum here, either ask big government to step in with land,use rules and restrictions,or let the free market decide.
We all know where a good portion of the poster here feel about Government and the free market.
These are you heartfelt beliefs so what are you complaining about, when that soccer mom with her McMansion goes to the county with complaints about your stink noise and mess,as a normal part of farming sit down shut up and deal with it. Free Market unencumbered by those commy socialist nanny rules you are so concerned about when it is your ox being gored!
 
All the while, thousands of old, non cropped farm/home sites are burned and buried to make it tillable. Thousands of miles of fences ripped out, making a few more croppable feet (plant to the property line road ditch). Tile anything that might help get into the field earlier, rip out old volunteer trees, close ditches, tile some more, avoid contour cropping if it is too hard to farm with big, wide machinery.

Then call everyone's attention to the creeping use of home sites built on flat, farmable land. Customers for the farmers very products of ham, gasoline additives, and, oh, food which we are reminded to be grateful for.

Of course there must be some truth to the chemical company videos of a farmer squinting thoughtfully into the distance, suggesting that he concerned about his children's future all the while an old windmill and an old JD or Farmall is in the background!

And yet the unwise use of farm ground for city people goes on......OH MY!
Leo
 
(quoted from post at 05:59:35 07/25/21) If there wasn't a willing landowner,there wouldn't be these sales. Population grows.always has always will. Sounds like some have a real conundrum here, either ask big government to step in with land,use rules and restrictions,or let the free market decide.
We all know where a good portion of the poster here feel about Government and the free market.
These are you heartfelt beliefs so what are you complaining about, when that soccer mom with her McMansion goes to the county with complaints about your stink noise and mess,as a normal part of farming sit down shut up and deal with it. Free Market unencumbered by those commy socialist nanny rules you are so concerned about when it is your ox being gored!
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Pitch your post reminds me of the farmers who claim if the tractor manufactures didn't make big tractors the farms would be smaller and there would be more farmers. This is a free country we have free enterprise. The market produces what is needed in this country.

The only way to control the size of tractors manufactured is to take away free enterprise and for the government to step in. If the government policed the equipment manufactures on how big the machinery should be these same complainers would be whining even louder about the government taking away our freedoms.
 
Parts of Southeast Michigan that were within easy commuting distance to auto factories were like that forty years ago already, small acreages along the roadsides and farmland in the center of one mile square sections. Once you get beyond commuting distance to good jobs, the isolated rural counties are loosing population fast.
 
Where I live used to be rural now its become some subdivisions,some apartments/townhouses,some 20 acres and a house type development.farming goes on just different have to change with the times.Now the money is in direct sales to all these new consumers/customers in the area.People make more $$$ off 1 acre of vegetables than 30 or more acres of hay.
 
coshoo that's a nice area up there were you live.I don't think it's grown as much as here.
Paul
 
I bought my place in 1993 Paid $68,000 for 30 acres 900sq ft house built out of trees cut on the property in 1950 when the log house burnt down. Two barns two ponds one creek. Kids burnt the big barn in 1999 tornado took the other and the old house in 2003. Now it's worth over $200,000. There have been a few California plates showing up in town. Neighbors daughter in law sells realestate and had some one wanting five acres and 4000 sq ft house for $800,000
 
(quoted from post at 07:29:41 07/25/21) On the news a couple days ago, China owns 1.9 billion acres of farm land in the US.....
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JD Drawbar, I guess we know how to take the "news" that you post, LOL.
 
I think the biggest and newest threat to tillable land use is the solar energy developement, requiring hundreds if not thousands of acres available to the sun.
Of course reasonably flat land somewhat near population (electricity use) centers is first picks....just like the needs for food growth and distribution. ????????

Who wants to wrestle with land owners and the expense of transmission lines to enable locating solar "farms" out in the desert or mountains, somewhere one can't easily grow crops.

So, we now have a new competitor for agland. It may soften the ag production a bit (notice I did not say over production), that is a judgemental term if you look at the world needs as a whole.

Free enterprise may not be able to intelligently be able to sort out the priorities fairly. Think of reclaiming land back from a patch of thousands of solar panels and their mounts!

The farmers unions and their reps should outlaw????

Snicker.....Leo
 
Leo,

That's a great post. I'm not in favor of solar or wind. Neither are reliable enough. Emergency functions like
hospitals and law enforcement centers will still need the back up generator.
 
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