STP or Lucas?

Saw this on U tube not to long but interesting. joe
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I tend to disbelieve anything I see in those videos. More than likely they are paid by a company to fake a test. I watched a few videos trashing Fram oil filters and started getting suspicious when they called the filter material which they are made of cardboard. Unlike them cutting up a brand new filter to inspect them, I cut open a used filter and found the inside tube clean as a whistle and the filter chamber full of dirt. The filter was doing it's job.

If you have watched enough of his videos you would know that he isnt paid by any of the companies of the items he tests.

x 2 . AND when i want to find out a bit of info on something they do so much yacking and i dont get what im looking for most times. just a bunch of inexperienced people. i want info on the subject not have them yacking about the weather .

I watched and found it 'interesting', thanks for sharing. For years Ive changed oil every 3 to 4 K miles and (in modern engines) use Castrol Magnatek full synthetic oil plus Lucas Synthetic Stabilizer and plan to continue NOT BASED ON THIS OR ANY VIDEO.....That was simply MY choice I started years ago. No I cant prove if its right or wrong or helps or hinders versus any of the other gazillion choices, its ONLY MY choice and as expected may be the exact opposite of someone else ...

What's fun to watch on here at times is some gentleman will post his opinion and then to supposedly prove or back up why he's right and others are wrong (just ask him) he will post a URL or someone who wrote an article or some so called 'expert' that agrees with him. HOWEVER someone else can come along and find on the net another URL or an article or some other 'expert' that claims just the opposite JUST SAYIN

I remember that old TV commercial where some lady proclaimed 'THEY CANT PUT ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET THAT ISNT TRUE'

Oh well I like to keep an open mind, be inquisitive, ask questions, do YOUR own research and do what's best for YOU based on YOUR situation, not necessarily what some one or some organization or group posts on the internet. Think and act for yourself is my method.

That's my story n Ima stickin to it

Do as yall please, be safe be happy and God Bless America, keep her free strong and great is MY wish

John T

Good point, I have watched a ton of these types of videos (not by this person), many regarding RV's and engineering, and find them 'interesting' and after a while you can sense if they are honest or biased.

Best wishes

John T

Back in the 70's I helped a man work on his ford f150. The timing chain failed, had plastic gears, and valves bent when pistons hit them.

He was a believer in castrol oil and STP. Changed oil every 3k.
I forget the cubic inches, small V8.

We pulled the heads and sent it in for a valve job.

There were zero scratches on cylinders, no ridge on on cylinder.

Except for timing gear and timing change failure, the lower end of the engine was like new. I think the engine had around 150k. The bed of the truck was totally gone, rust.

Got it back together and all was good.

Does this prove anything? Or was the timing chain and timing gears not one of Fords better Ideas? You decide.

I've used Frams almost exclusively and never had any issues despite all the horror stories going around. I once read a post (on YT I believe) that they were just brown paper inside. Well, yeah, it's brown and looks like paper so it must be true. I once toured a plant where they made filters and there was a whole room of people cutting up used shopping bags.....wink.

I've never seen this guy before. Makes it bad for someone legitimate to have all the fake videos out there.

Interesting but I couldn't purposely destroy an engine like that.

I did know the STP lowered the operating temperature. It was added to gearboxes where I used to work when they were too hot and having seal failure.

No the NYLON cam gear used on the 289up thru the 351 Windsor was when ford's light bulb burnt out . I started running Castrol back in 79 myself . where it shined the most was in my 88 Ford F 350 with the 460 , here on this truck i NEVER drove it any faster then what it would go and Never hauled more then i could stack on the 28 foot trailer and never drove it more then i could stand as during the early months of the year there were weeks that the oil got changed two times with all the out of state sales we were going to . When Ford recalled the truck with a list of recalls to be done while at the dealership they were tryen to deal with broken exhaust manifold bolts and cut corners and messed up both heads and were forced to put two new heads on it at the dealers expense . I had a look down into the cylinders and at 107thou and change the cross hatch was like new yet . I ran 15-40 in the winter and 20-50 in the summer . I ran that truck till she had 287and change on it and it did not use a Qt. of oil in between oil changes . Our old 2003 dodge Durango with the iron block 360 or should i say 5.9 has 223000 on it and still runs strong and it has lived on 10-30 Castrol since almost new as we bought it when it was less then a year old with 16000 on the clock. I just wished we had a bulk Castrol dealer around here as i would buy it in a 55 gallon drum . Now as for additives Nope don't use them . During my time working in dealerships, drag racing and running the mobile equipment end of two oil field service companys i have talked to delt with just about every lube salesman and snake oil salesman that has come down the pike . Only two have showen me that there product was better , L E products worked better then anything else on two water trucks that were a thorn in my side , both had the same drive line , engine transmission and rear ends and out of a fleet of 8 water trucks those two drove me up a wall with transmission failures and rear ends going out . Old Russ Metz the salesman for L E said that his gear lube would stop that and to prove it he sent me a 55 gallon drum to try and IF eityher of the transmission or rear ends failed i did not owe him a dime , well i gave hi a check for 1158 dollars a year later as neither had failed Grease gun grease the best was OILZUM(sp) at five bucks a case now they don't make it anymore Standard oil bought them out . I used it in the oil patch and my buddy and i ran it for year on the farm and in our semi's . even with the way we had our semi's turned up and the loads we hauled we NEVER had to replace u/joints / king pins , S cams or have a dry fifth wheel.

Or was the timing chain and timing gears not one of Fords better Ideas? You decide.

Dunno why you are picking on Ford on this one. Ford was just one of a few who used nylon-coated teeth on their camshaft gear. Yes, I remember doing a '79 Lincoln that had a failed nylon camshaft gear, but I also remember one on a '71 Chevy Impala. That Impala was owned by me and it had a factory-installed 402 big block. Heading to work one day and when when I slowed down to turn, the oil light came on. Oil light went out when I revved it up, and being about a 1/4 mile from work, I kept driving until I got it to the shop. By that time, the lifters were clicking. Pulled the oil pan and the oil pickup tube was plugged with the nylon from the camshaft gear. Pulling the timing cover, the camshaft gear was worn worn down to the steel nubs, even though the engine still ran. A new timing chain, camshaft gear, crankshaft gear, along with a new oil pump for good measure, fixed it and I put on many more thousands of miles.
Supposedly nylon camshaft gears were used to quiet down an engine, but my auto mechanics instructor in tech school challenged anyone to listen to an engine and positively identify an engine that had a nylon gear verses an engine that had a steel gear. No takers.
NOT just a Ford idea.

I don't use oil additives.
One time at a festival, they had a slant 6 engine running with no oil claiming they used this snake oil for a while, before draining all the oil.

I bought a bottle and not long later I get a check engine light. I was on my way to parents for Christmas. Snow on the roads, car wouldn't run worth a darn. No place open. I limped car to parents.

I later discovered after replacing the O2 sensor, on the directions, it said to avoid all oil additives.

I never put snake oil in any of my cars again. Never had a bad 02 sensor either. Lesson learned.

Gambles your right that they all used those nylon coated cam gears, I worked as a mechanic in the 70's and have replaced the timing chains on Ford, Chevy, Mopar and others.
Pontiac was the the most common one we'd change the timing chain in, between 75-100k miles the nylon teeth would come off the gear, it got to were I could roll a Pontiac into the shop, replace the timing chain and gear and drive it out in 2 1/2 hours or less.
I probably replaced the timing chains on 3 Pontiac's for every 1 Ford or Chevy

Thinking about it now I don't remember ever replacing the timing chain in a Oldsmobile, but there was many of them in my area back then.

Back in '79 an old friend of mine bought a new GMC 3500 454 4 speed, started his own business hauling sail boats.

It caught on good, wasn't long he had 300,000 on the clock. The engine ran fine, but he just didn't trust it being on the road so far from home.

He had some well known local diesel mechanic build him an engine (a whole nuther story I won't go into here).

We took his old engine apart, everything was amazingly good! The plastic timing gear had some cracks and the chain was loose, but otherwise that engine could have passed for one with very low miles miles!

It had always had Castrol 10w30 and a pint of STP at every oil change, changed every 3000 miles.

It had also had a hard life, hours of idling with the AC on as he always took his dog with him, miles of heavy throttle, over revved being stuck on slick boat ramps...

I don't know what the material is on the ends of the filter element. I know it isn't cardboard. It looks more like that gray paper gasket material. I can't see how having metal ends would be any better or worse, it's just different.

I watched 7 or 8 of that guys videos. I don't care for his methods and don't trust his conclusions. Most of what he seems to do is to produce content for his channel and to get hits from the people that follow him. That's how he makes money.

Far as Lucas or STP, Lucas, hands down. STP is fine for some stuff, like that totally worn engine that eats a quart of oil in 15 minutes run time. If you want a good product, try Lucas. It isn't magic, but he stuff has worked well for me for a lotta years.

No the NYLON cam gear used on the 289 up thru the 351 Windsor was when ford's light bulb burnt out

So are you saying Ford's nylon cam gears wasn't Ford's better Idea?

The rest of the engine was in remarkable good shape for the miles. I was impressed.

The rest of the truck in Indian's rust belt was gone. If I recall the cab mounts, cab corners, floor, bed of the truck, fenders was totally gone. Couldn't put much in bed without it falling through the rust holes.