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any one have, had or used a international pick up truck?
when did they quit making them?
were they a good truck? or had problems?
did they sell many?
ive never been around one, but i find them interesting!
thanks
 
They stopped making them in the early 80s. Their advertisements were that they STARTED with a heavy duty engine, not converted a car engine to put in a truck. I like the looks of early IH trucks. The joke about IH trucks was that they rusted out before they made it off the dealership lot.
 
Had two IHC pick ups over the years. Good trucks, biggest weakness was thin sheet metal in later models, rusted out easily.
Tough work trucks, ran forever. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters, etc didn't replace them as often as other brands, drive them 15-20 years instead of trading on 3-5 year cycle. Therefore replacement sales not as many.

Willie
 
My dad and uncle farmed together and the shared a pickup for the farming. They had a green 1/2 ton 1958 IH
I was not fond of it at all. I was excited when I found out that they had traded it! They traded it for a red 1964 binder. Both were 6 cylinders units that were very cold natured but regretfully dependable. I eventually ended up owning the 64. Bench seat was wore out on drivers side.
The earlier 50s looked good to me. The 2 tons and semis were stylish at the time. The 58 and 64 were just UGLY
Don
 
Last year for pickup, scout and travelall was 1975. Dependable but cheap body. There was a scout prototype in the ACD museum in Auburn, Indiana that was fiberglass. Sign on it stated it was schedule for production but not until about '77.
 
I was a service manager at a Light -Medium IH dealership 78-79 The PU were just plain reliable. We rarely saw them back in the service department. We had no body shop, so the rust was not showing up at the service bay except for a few that had us do oil and lube on the first 3 or 4 scheduled service.
The medium duty were problematic in that IH sourced parts from axles to ignition from several sources. Without a build ticket (line setting Ticket) in the glove box, they were painful. I have two friends that have them. One is building a nice hotrod, the other is basically stock other than charging system. The stocker is rust free and quite original Never outside in salt (in Minnesota, that was a city decision, never used to feed). The hot rod had bad rust. it is being fabricated by hand due to ZERO body parts, and even scavenged parts are rusted nearly as bad as the ones being replaced. Headlight areas of the fenders, tailgate, the entire bed, and rockers have been fabricated to OEM or better standards. It will be a big block Chevy with a built automatic. Jim
 
(quoted from post at 06:19:18 05/01/21) any one have, had or used a international pick up truck?
when did they quit making them?
were they a good truck? or had problems?
did they sell many?
ive never been around one, but i find them interesting!
thanks
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Saying was the V-8 engines were too big for the small trucks and too small for the big trucks.

Had an early 70's IHC pick up with an auto transmission, stock it would squawk the tires on every shift into 3rd if you were hard on the pedal.

Still have a mid 60's 1/2 ton with a hoist on it, you can't kill them old 6 cylinders.

Problems;
Rust, Rust, Rust, oh and did I mention they were bad for rusting.

Throttle cables that would brake frequently and of course the cables are obsolete.
 
I store this one for a friend.
One very well built truck with a great straight six engine.
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Changing the subject a little bit, and why I remember this, I have no idea, but....
I was in automotive mechanic tech school in 1980-1981. At that time, when a vehicle came in with a defective alternator, we didn't slap on a rebuild, we rebuilt it in the shop. So one day an IH school bus owned by the vo-tech school comes in with a defective alternator. This was an older IH bus and I remember two different students were working on it, not me. Anyway, this bus had an IH-built alternator. The instructors wouldn't let the students retrofit it with a Delco, so the original big, bulky, low-ampere alternator had to be rebuilt. They eventually got it rebuilt and working, but I remember sourcing parts for it was a pain, even back then. Of course, this was before IH bought most of their electronic parts from Delco or Motorcraft.
 
We had a right hand drive scout at USPS when I started in 69. Everyone would try to drive it instead of the jeeps. It was always in use & I dont recall it ever breaking down.
 
As other stated ,rust out in two years in northeast Ohio. Scout were hot in showrooms but dont buy one . Shame
I still want one but Id never bring to Ohio.
Undercoat immediately if you bring one in here
 
I actually have a 1950 IH pickup, body style similar to that one. Of course, yours is in much better shape. You know what I like about it? The hood had a hinge on each side of it. So you can life the left side up or you can lift the right side up. OR, you can take the hood off altogether in a matter of a few seconds.
 
For a couple of years close to 1980, the Scout II had a diesel option. (They outsourced it from somebody, I don't recall who. An Asian source?) Now I have never seen or worked on one, but I remember an off-road magazine writing an article on it. They said people fearfully looked at it from a half a block away and that it was slow, slow, slow.
 
My neighbor had a 1966 one ton, dual wheel, V8 4 speed standard. That was a very strong truck, would carry a load well, and pull like a bulldozer. Just dont try to go over 50mph. Another friend during high school used to sometimes drive his familys early 70s 9 passenger IH Travel-All to school. V8 auto 4x4. Son of a gun rode not too bad! Not an extremely refined interior but, nice enough to haul their large family to church
 
So glad when we quit selling IH trucks. The six bangers were ok in a pickup but put in the 2 1/2 ton and school busses was a disaster.

When we started selling the 266 inpickups and 304 V8's in trucks we had real good service from.

Then polution control forced IH to redesign the heads and pistons and we ended up with a bunch of dogs. Even putting the 304V8 in a pickup could not match original V 266 for performanc e and relability.


Then they went to the Amerinan Motors 6 in the pickup and then quit making pickups.
 
I've been around IH trucks most of my life. They don't rust any worse than the competition. Ever looked at a 70ssquare body GM pickup? IH engines were great. The 264 straight six in my 59 pickup still pulls like a V8 and I never had any complaints on it. The 304 V8 in my Loadstar has been moving +25,000 gvw of grain since 1971. Biggest expense I've had on the IH trucks is brakes but I expect all makes have that weakness.
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(quoted from post at 15:08:51 05/01/21) my 39 D & 39 A
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And, a fine lookin' pair they are!!
 
Had couple years ago 48 KB2, fun little truck, sold in 88 . 64 was wore out farmer truck, did what needed this was in 73- 75. Dad had 56 ,it replaced a 47-48 Dodge. 56 was replaced by 63 F100 in 66.
 
Determined, the automatic transmissions they used were Chrysler Torqueflites I think the only ones I ever saw in their
stuff were the 727 models. The bell housing of the aluminum case was cast and machined to fit the IH bolt pattern.
Getting a 3rd gear squawk out of one would be quite impressive, they usually were geared fairly low and their engines
were torquey. I think that maybe you are drinking a little of the Tractor Vs coffee. I guess I will just go with what Mike
Rowe says.... that is the way I heard it...
 
True about the rusting Scouts. I drove several, a 74 I had rustproofed from Mickey's and a 78 done at one of the large rustproofers. Didn't help much. No rustproofing is any better than the guy who sprays it in. That said, they and the pickup were rugged and completely reliable. Just not the plush barges of today but companies produce what sells.
 
I think they made them from 1909 until 1976-77?
When I was young all my aunts & uncles had one. 1949 to 1953 models. I felt left out because we didn't have one.

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Dad had a 66 or 67 1200 with a 307, 3 on the tree, bare bones, no options.

It was rough to drive, hard to steer, enough power to get around, but no power house for sure.

The lifters rattled like crazy first start up of the day.

It wasn't a daily driver, used mostly around his shop, I drove it some when my car was down, so did everybody else. It had a 4 x 16 plank on the front for pushing cars into the shop.

I don't recall it ever breaking down, very reliable, but then it didn't get many miles put on it.

I worked on a few over the years. One that stands out was a mid 60 small dump truck that belonged to a local dairy, it was their manure truck. They used it to haul manure from the dairy to a compost yard, about a 20 mile round trip. That was the worst lemon ever built!!! It rarely made a successful trip without something going wrong. The engine just kept going, but everything around it failed repeatedly!
 
Sorry but you are wrong on the last year for the SCOUTS , pickups yes 77 but scouts were actually built thru 79 with some being sold as 80s.
 
(quoted from post at 09:29:20 05/01/21) Dad had a 66 or 67 1200 with a 307, 3 on the tree, bare bones, no options.

It was rough to drive, hard to steer, enough power to get around, but no power house for sure.

The lifters rattled like crazy first start up of the day.
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307? with lifter noise? You might mean the BD 308 straight six but I doubt they ever put that engine in a 1200 series. If you mean the 304 V8 I've never heard lifter noise from mine in almost 40 years driving it. The six cylinder BD 264 will rattle a little at idle but that is considered normal. And I can tell you from personal experience that it will beat a 250 Chevy six off the line and for a good part of the quarter mile before the Chevy catches up.
 
I had a '74 IH 1700 with a 345 and a five speed-two speed drivetrain. It had a 2000 gallon propane bed on it. THE most dependable truck I ever owned. I had two other propane trucks, Chevrolet and GMC with a 366 and five and two drivetrain. The International sat out, and would start below zero like it was summertime. It had the quietest-running V-8 I ever heard in a truck. Sounded more like a Packard than a truck. When it was idling all you could hear was the alternator whining. It never used a drop of oil, but was horrible on gas. The 345 pulled with the GM 366's. All three trucks had dual exhausts with a four-barrel carburetor. The International rode harder, but had better power steering than the GM trucks. The brakes were its weak spot. You had to be careful stopping it with a full load. It had a 50-gallon gas tank, but that would not run me all day if I was really busy. The 366's were no fuel economy champs, but were lots easier on fuel than the International 345. I put over 150,000 on the clock, almost 200,000 actual when you consider pump time. The cartridge oil filter was a pain. I had it converted to a two-quart spin-on. Wonderful truck. Wish I still had it.
 
Got an old one sitting in the grove, was running but weak engine when he parked it. Long box, manual, 6 cyl, worked for dad for a number of years.

Paul
 
They are interesting but the late 60s through 75 were enormously thirsty beasts. And rust is horrible - especially the 70s models. Everything rusted in the 70s but I remember the local IH dealership had a couple pickups - I remember one showing up on our place for a service call. The bed was rusted so bad that the bed side was literally flopping in the wind. The tech joked that the tailgate fell out going down the road....
 
My first IH was a '63 1100 Travelall, bought used at 80,000 miles. IH had a 100,000 mile warranty on the engine at a time when the big 3 had only 12,000 mile warranties. I drove it through British Columbia and the Yukon on the narrow gravel Alcan Highway and spent the summer of 68 romping through Alaska with it. When I got back to Mpls, it became my snowplow, carpenter, and farm truck. It didn't have much for creature comfort, but was stout and reliable. When the body finally died, I put the engine and 4 speed tranny in another body and ran it to 300,000 miles until that body rusted away. The family of V8s was the 266, 304, 345, 392 cu in engines with many interchangeable parts. They were heavy duty engines for the light trucks. No timing chain to go out, just gear on gear driving the camshaft. Hydraulic lifters, sodium filled exhaust valves, hardened valve seats. Their possible shortcoming was the fuel pump, as it failed, it would shoot oil at the underside of the hood, and people thought the engine had died. I bought many of them cheap just by opening the hood and seeing the oil on the underside of the right side of the hood, I could then buy the truck for about $400. New fuel pumps were about $20, and easy to replace. I had a 68 C1200 PU w/304, a 72 D1100 Travelall 392 4x4, a 74 D1200 PU 345 4X4, a 75 D1200 392 PU 4X4 w/bucket seats. The Travelalls were my family vehicles that often pulled RV trailers, and the PUs were work trucks. When the last 75 rusted too badly for snowplowing, I switched over to Dodge W350s. I sure missed the IH trucks. We also had 2 of the IH 1600 Loadstar series (304 & 345) 2 toners for farm use. I never had an engine failure in any of them. My favorites of the light trucks were the C series (63 to 68). The D series (69 - 75) had more rust problems.

Paul in MN
 
IH had a long history with Delco probably going back to the early 40's (or before??). But I doubt that IH built their own alternator, but the heavy duty high amp alternators that were early on the scene (~1962??) were the Leece-Neville. They were often used in ambulances and commercial buses. The earliest Delco alternators came into the market in 1963 and were commonly 37 amp max output. The big Leece-Nevilles were in the 100 amp range. I suspect that you were rebuilding a L-N alternator.

Paul in MN
 
Just a crying shame wasnt it ,I get disgusted thinking about it, put that cheap steel in those vehicles oles to think they save the company, an it tanked them .
I get they wanted to reduce cost ,purchasing went to cheaper source and quality steel
Any way get over it. Done
 
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