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Told the boss I do not overnight...

I did that once. I informed my boss that I was done with OTR. Things went well for about 6 months. Then he handed
me a 2-day trip. I told him that this violates our agreement. I did have an agreement with him that I was going
to be home every night without exception or I would simply find another way to make a living. No hard feelings.

My answer to the 2-day trip was that it would be a deal breaker. He begged me wile insisting that he had nobody
else to send. I told him that his lack of dispatching expertise was not my problem, but that I would go - as my
last trip.

He said what do you mean last trip? I said that when I got back, I would clean out the truck and be on my way
to greener pastures. Some time later that evening, I got a call from the owner of the company. He told me that he
had somebody else to go and that I did not need to quit.

Were they testing me? Did I pass? All I know for sure is that I called their bluff and they blinked first.
 
(quoted from post at 15:07:53 04/30/21) I did that once. I informed my boss that I was done with OTR. Things went well for about 6 months. Then he handed
me a 2-day trip. I told him that this violates our agreement. I did have an agreement with him that I was going
to be home every night without exception or I would simply find another way to make a living. No hard feelings.

My answer to the 2-day trip was that it would be a deal breaker. He begged me wile insisting that he had nobody
else to send. I told him that his lack of dispatching expertise was not my problem, but that I would go - as my
last trip.

He said what do you mean last trip? I said that when I got back, I would clean out the truck and be on my way
to greener pastures. Some time later that evening, I got a call from the owner of the company. He told me that he
had somebody else to go and that I did not need to quit.

Were they testing me? Did I pass? All I know for sure is that I called their bluff and they blinked first.
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What you did was good. What you tolerate is what you're teaching them how to treat you, so great job there.
 
Luck you. Luckier still if your company still retains that customer (due to your rules). You can set the rules for your employment. And your employer can search for a more willing worker to keep the customer happy. That is how the free enterprise system (that we love) works. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But, Would you apply for governmemt unemployment benefits(the big safety net) if he dumped you?
 
Cant get unemployment if you are fired . And I agree theres not much I tell my boss he tells me in exchange for my paycheck what I will and what I wont do
 
Sometimes they just have to try and push a little. I had started whit a new company and had worked 4 weekends in a row. I got in on Friday afternoon and ask for a St Louis load for Monday(100 mile trip) they said the only load was an east coast and I said fine I ll call you Monday around 10:00 and see what you have. Before I got to the stairs he had a load for St Louis. I stayed there 3 years.
 
Can't get unemployment if your fired? Not always true! Depends on the circumstances why/how you were fired. Also depends on the state.
 
Ya but telling your boss you arent going to work wont cut the mustard . Now if he fires you because your ugly or because your skins brown or your skins white or he just doesnt like the way you smell then you have a case
 
Well still not always true. It gets complicated. You never know what an unemployment board is going to do. Far to much to go into on this forum. If you have ever had employees and had to go in front of an unemployment board present your case you'd understand. It's simply not that cut and dry. It's harder than you think to try to get an ex-employee from getting unemployment.
 
Agree with below... you really need to have a strong case to get out of paying unemployment. You will need to have established written rules, documentation employee knew the rules, and documentation they broke the rules and were warned (in writing, signed by both parties) to get out of it. Been there...
 
This is an interesting discussion on American work habits. My 99 year old father spent 2 1/2 years of his life away from his family and home for the good of the nation. He slept in the nasty bottoms of refitted cargo ships for a hundred days, then in bug infested tents in the south pacific islands, often under enemy fire, to establish our freedoms. Yes you can refuse to spend a night out of your comfortable bed, but I doubt that that is why he gave up 2 and 1/2 years of his life for your freedoms.
 
Yes and it makes me sick to see and here of some of today's work ethics! I greatly appreciate men like your father and thank God for them everyday! It is so unfortunate and sad that so many people today don't understand or even know history like that!
 
If you cant do the job you signed up for find another Job. If the Boss sends you to wherever just go and be done with it. Because its your
job. Did you know it takes longer to gripe about a job than it actually take to do the job.
 
I dont know where you get that teach them how to treat you stuff from . But it dont actually work like that. You hired on for a job you do
the job .If you dont like it or CANT CUT IT find another job. Sounds like to me you dont want to work to start with. Find a union job they
might put up with your kind of work ethics. Because in the real world you cant cut it. Truth is welcome in Heaven my friend
 
I would have said just stop the truck at the next truck stop and find you a way home . Where do yall not get you hired on for this job. YOU AINT THE BOSS. If you were you would be in the office not behind the steering wheel . Gezz
 
Just a note. If I were your Boss and you told me that. The next Exit you passed would have been your last on my PayRoll. So the Story still
stands when you pay Peanuts you just get Monkeys.
 
I worked for the same trucking company for 35 years as a driver. I got good runs and bad ones too. I
didn't always get the load I wanted but I figured it was a give and take situation. It did provide
me with a good living and helped provided me with 11 good years of retirement so far. It also helped
me to be able to play farmer without going broke. Just Saying.
 
That hard core approach works for alot of jobs, others not so much. My boss and I both know it would cost them 15-30k in wages to train a replacement for me, and hope they stick around. I could exploit that but I don't.
 

I have never been fired or unemployed a day in my working life. (Unless you count this farming hobby the past ten years as unemployed). I set the terms of where and when I want to work. These guys on here saying sit down, shut up, and do your job would have a BIG problem if they gave me that crap as an employer. I have plenty of crap to do at home on this farm that I cannot do if I am sitting at a wayside 600 miles away.

Especially right now, anyone who has any kind of skill and work ethic can and should set their terms of employment. I am gonna take the run to Webb City on Monday, but it will be the last overnight I do.
 

Briar hill,
Im going to Dons Dry Storage on Hall street. Should be there at 7:30 Monday. Then I am going somewhere else to load up bagged rock to bring back (probably to Menards distribution in Eau Claire, but I have not gotten those details yet. I thought about posting on the hauling schedule on here because the haul down is only a half load. I think the window is too small to squeeze in another stop.

Wave if you see this rig with a drop deck.

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(quoted from post at 18:04:17 04/30/21) Not far from Branson. Maybe you could make a detour.
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Stephen,
Wife and I went to Branson 17 years ago. It was pretty tourist trappy back then and I cannot imagine it has gotten better. I can go to Wisconsin dells for roughly the same experience. I do not like being in large crowds of people. Mammoth cave in silver dollar city was the highlight of that trip.
 
Hmm. During my 39 year career in aerospace and IT, I had to take a number of trips to various places around the globe to some very nice and some not-so-nice places. The longest was a 7 month stint in Egypt. There were a few multi-week trips to US Navy vessels in the Med and in the Persian Gulf. Almost went to Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield. Never balked at any of them. But then maybe Webb City is much worse than going someplace where they're lobbing live ammo around.
 
Go back and READ my post!

I never said that I would not go! I only told him that this breaks our agreement, and as such would be my last run for him.

The agreement we had was something we had talked over and agreed upon some time previous to this. I got tired of running the road after 15 years of mostly OTR. I offered him fair notice to find a replacement if he was not able to get me home every night. No hard feelings on either end.

Also, since you seem to be so critical, be advised that in south eastern Pennsylvania, there is an amazing amount of local work that would not even require a logbook. If you stick a pin into Allentown, PA and draw a 100 air miles (nautical miles by the way) circle around it, you will find New York City, the entire states of New Jersey and Delaware, Baltimore, and all of the little whistle stop places in between. There is enough LOCAL work there to keep entire fleets busy.

One more comment I will make. My boss is only my boss for AS LONG AS I ALLOW IT. So, geez yourself!
 
I occasionally get sent on an overnight trip still, maybe twice a
year. But I like that as I miss the road some still. But I wouldn't
have a problem telling my boss no either. Over night trips are
not for everyone. And my boss appreciates that too as they
always ask if I will, never tell me I have to. That's one of the
reasons I work there still. Don't let those that say do your job
or be fired worry you, it's your life you make the rules not your
work. Good Jobs are easier to get than good employees.
 
Too many empty seats out there, lots of companies looking for drivers that understand home every night. For those telling him what he signed up for were you in
the room when he signed on to this company? If you were not then keep your opinion to your self.
 
(quoted from post at 21:07:41 04/30/21) I would have said just stop the truck at the next truck stop and find you a way home . Where do yall not get you hired on for this job. YOU AINT THE BOSS. If you were you would be in the office not behind the steering wheel . Gezz
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you need to get over yourself. Geez :roll:

the man said he had an agreement with the company that he would not be asked to do long runs. Period. His reasons for having that agreement are irrelevant. The point is, the agreement was/is there.
IE: He hired on with the agreement in place. What part of that don't YOU get? The company did not have to hire him with that agreement, but they did, so the agreement should be honored.

the company asking him to do the long run is technically "breach of contract" - so... this has nothing to do with his "work ethic" and everything to do with an employer trying to take advantage. Been there, done that, and have walked away, and no, I did not collect UI benefits. I found a better job where I was not taken advantage of.
 
Agree 100 percent. We do not need the OP's reasons. We just need to know there was an agreement.
 
rockyridgefarm

and

jimg.allentown,

Good for you!
Life is too short when better job openings with better employers are out there waiting for you.

Quite sad that so many here seem to be carrying a jar of vasoline in there pocket. Predicated by the fear of not being employed for a day and willing to stick with a crappy job and or employer.
 
(quoted from post at 07:25:06 05/01/21) Hmm. During my 39 year career in aerospace and IT, I had to take a number of trips to various places around the globe to some very nice and some not-so-nice places. The longest was a 7 month stint in Egypt. There were a few multi-week trips to US Navy vessels in the Med and in the Persian Gulf. Almost went to Saudi Arabia during Desert Shield. Never balked at any of them. But then maybe Webb City is much worse than going someplace where they're lobbing live ammo around.
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My job has me away from home about half the time. By the standard were using to judge this fellow, I should be a hero!

If someone wants to prioritize being in their own bed at night, that doesnt mean theyre the type thats looking to get out of work. I prefer being at home but I also despise an 8-4 workday, so I endure noisy hotels and bad coffee. I put up with a certain amount of abuse at my job because the pros outweigh the cons.
 
So, what driver needs unemployment? If you have a class A CDL and a reasonably clean driving record, you can have another job before the close of business on any weekday.

In most of my adult life, I never needed unemployment. Most reasons that an employer would fire a person for are not grounds for denying an unemployment claim. Here in PA, there are 4 reasons that they can deny a claim. Insubordination, illegal activity on the job, fighting, and gross safety violations. Otherwise, firing is not considered to be justified.
 
Three biggest lies in the world . The checks in the mail. Of course I will respect you in the morning. And no overnight
runs.
 
Rocky ..... explain to those of us not in the business how the pay situation works for overnights (ie. Not actually driving but still sort of working for the company). I haven't a clue about any of this ....
 
It all depends on how the driver is paid. Some drivers are paid by the mile. Some drivers are paid by the hour. Some are paid by the trip.

If a driver is paid by the mile, overnights are basically unpaid off duty time. If a driver has a short trip and is laid over by circumstances, he may get layover pay. To qualify for that, he would need to have significant driving hours available to him and not able to use them until he completes his delivery.

If a driver is paid by the hour, pay usually stops when he goes off duty for the day - whether it is at home or at a truck stop or motel. Most companies pay for hotel accommodations or even a bit extra for layover as well. Generally, companies do not like to pay drivers for idle hours.

Drivers paid by the trip basically get nothing extra for layovers. Companies will say that it is included in with the trip rate.

Hope this clears things up a bit, CH.
 
We get paid by the mile and a set run.
Do the same thing everyday of the week.

Guys that have a layover as part of their run get paid 2 cent more a mile and the company pays for the motel.

Teams (2 drivers in a truck that never stops) get 4 cents more per mile.

We never load or unload a trailer so dont deal with that but we get paid extra by the hour if we break down or we got to shuffle trailers around ect.
Some companies even pay the driver for time spent fueling the truck.
 
(quoted from post at 09:11:35 05/01/21) We get paid by the mile and a set run.
Do the same thing everyday of the week.

Guys that have a layover as part of their run get paid 2 cent more a mile and the company pays for the motel.

Teams (2 drivers in a truck that never stops) get 4 cents more per mile.

We never load or unload a trailer so dont deal with that but we get paid extra by the hour if we break down or we got to shuffle trailers around ect.
Some companies even pay the driver for time spent fueling the truck.
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I get a percentage of what the truck makes. If it sits I dont get paid. Feast or famine.
 


Rockyridgefarm, I commend you far not letting all the negative comments get you down. It appears that it is being made into ten times more drama than it is to you.
 
I did go back and read . YOu said Title , Told the boss i do not overnight and

Then he sends me to Webb city mo. I am gonna have to put a stop to this

You say nothing about a agreement you and your boss have. You say nothing about anything else unless its in another post somewhere.
So In saying that. I still stand by what I said by what you posted. And I was just in Allentown last week delivering a car I was contracted to Haul. Actually Eaton Pa.
 
OK sure and there are no jobs out there to be had? If he has a clean Class A, the man could likely walk away from this driving job and have another one next week, if not the next day. I know of a place that tries to force overtime around the holidays. They will not pay time and a half with a holiday involved (great for them not so great for the employee, right?), or when vacation time is used so there are very, VERY few people to be found on the weekends there. Surprised?

A man has to set parameters or the workplace will consume him.
 
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