Tractor Self Recovery winch

oblivious · Apr 24, 2021

So i have got a JD 5425 tractor.

In the winter I put a large underslung plow blade on it to clear about 7 km of road that I need to get to the main highway.

The thing is from time to time the tractor gets stuck and it is a Pain and a half to get it out.

I am thinking of attaching a winch of some kind.

As i see it i could do either a standard bolt on truck winch, would have to be about a 20,000 lb winch to be able to pull out a machine of this size.

Or i could put a pto powered logging winch on the 3pt hitch. But then i would lose my 3pt back blade which I use all the time. I don't see it being practical to attach a winch anywhere on the front of the machine.

Other option is to weld a bracket onto the back blade and attach the winch to that.

Anyone have experience in this matter or suggestions on winching in general? Thx

Glen SW Wi · Apr 24, 2021

Have to have a tree or something to hook the winch to. Winch would be a savior if you have some.

oblivious · Apr 24, 2021

Ya glen, it could be really useful. I'm plowing 7 km of forest road, plenty of trees and stuff like that around.

I just need the right setup as I'm experienced in this kind of thing.

J.Wondergem · Apr 24, 2021

To, it sounds the most reasonable to put a electric one on the back blade. That way you only have to deal with a electric cord in stead of a PTO shaft.

Kansas4010 · Apr 24, 2021

I would look into putting a 2 receiver hitch on your drawbar. Then get a receiver hitch winch that you can take off or put on whenever you want. Possibly even put a hitch on the front so you can pull either direction. Just spitballing anyway.

BarnyardEngineering · Apr 24, 2021

You're not LIFTING the tractor, and it weighs nowhere near 20,000lbs. All this winch is doing is assisting the tractor in getting unstuck.

A commonly available and inexpensive 12,000lb winch is more than adequate, and if you really need extra pull, you can use a snatch block and double up the lines.

oblivious · Apr 24, 2021

Really? That would be good. I read something saying that I need 2x the weight of the tractor.

SVcummins · Apr 24, 2021

More is better that 12,000 pound winch is only good for 12 on the first wrap of cable on the drum after that it drops and keeps dropping .

Tom OConnor · Apr 24, 2021

I had a winch on the front of a 4320 John Deere at one time> It was supplied by The Vameer Company to propel their Power Take Off trenching machines. Worked excellent with lots of capacity and was driven off a hydraulic motor. It was a complete package that bolted up to the front of most any farm tractor.

wore out · Apr 24, 2021

Put a loader on it and use the bucket "curl" to drag you out of an occasional tuff spot.

Or upgrade to a larger tractor with MFD.

Getting stuck and having to winch yourself out on a recurring basis is just ridiculous.

moresmoke · Apr 25, 2021

Might I suggest a good set of chains and not getting stuck in the first place? And Im not talking some cobbled together farm sale ones.

These are Trygg brand. There are a couple other brands available. A dealer that sells logging winches should be able to point you in the right direction.

Brendon-KS · Apr 25, 2021

Think about what you are using currently to get the plow tractor unstuck and how much pulling force is required. If you are pulling it out with another tractor you're probably exerting only several thousand pounds, especially if the pull-out tractor is on a snowy surface. As Barnyard said, a 12,000 lb winch would be more than enough. For a comparison, note that the self-recovery winch on the military's MTV 5-ton truck is only 15,500 pounds and that truck can weigh well over 30,000 lbs. The other practical limitation is that if unsticking your tractor actually required a pull of anywhere near 20,000 lbs you're more than likely going to cause damage to something.

RobCons · Apr 25, 2021

I think a 12000 lb winch would work. But I have a couple of questions. Is this underslung blade mounted like a road grader blade in the middle of the tractor? If so is the lack of lift height causing it to drag and high center the tractor?

Determined · Apr 25, 2021

Why not on the front of the machine?

Think about a couple of side plates like the ones used to mount a front bumper or weight rack.

Could easily build a low slung mount for the winch that would clear a loader and possibly your blade.

A hydraulic driven winch would be easy to hook up and you wouldn't have to worry about killing your battery 5 miles from home.

A good roller fairlead on the winch along with a snatch block on the drawbar and a few well placed pieces of pipe will let you run the cable out the back if that is the preferred direction to pull yourself out.

DoubleO7 · Apr 25, 2021

Build one and bolt it on your tractor.

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sandcastle1 · Apr 25, 2021

a wheeled vehicle will need 2x it's weight in pulling power if stuck in wheel deep mud. That was trained into us during armor school AIT, we practiced recovering a lot of different vehicles. In a winch nothing is better than bigger than you need. There are lots of tricks, having a good supply of goodies to use during a recovery makes it easier, snatch blocks, extra chokers to attach to trees or other vehicles. Is your tractor equipped with a frame? Pulling on the front axle or the motor can pull things off pretty easily.

495man · Apr 25, 2021

(quoted from post at 03:30:45 04/25/21) Might I suggest a good set of chains and not getting stuck in the first place? And Im not talking some cobbled together farm sale ones.

Yes, I am assuming this is a 2wd tractor and he doesn't have chains like you suggest. Get good chains. 2wd won't get stuck as often then.

Difference between stuck on road in snow and stuck in ditch.

oblivious · Apr 25, 2021

Determined,

Well this is the particular model of blade it's a Degelman 3500 with underslung mounting. Unfortunately i cant link the picture through the spam filter on this website. So ill try to post it here.

As you can see that plow blade takes up a lot of the potential mounting space and then there's the back blade on the 3 point hitch as well adding to the mess.

As to some other questions in the thread, ya we do have chains, 4 wheel drive, and so forth but the issue isn't sliding so much as it is that we're plowing a rough forest road with a ditch both sides.

When 1 or more foot of snow falls on the road you cant see where the ditch is which is where problems tend to occur because driving even slightly into it causes the whole tractor to fall in and then you have a huge problem.

We are pushing that little tractor well to its limit for sure, but not really in a position to change it now.

Usually the only way the tractor gets unstuck is to dig ALL (and I mean ALL) of the snow out from under it and then just rev it outta there, and hope it takes. Usually works but would be better to get something that doesnt take 4 hours of work to un stuck it.

oblivious · Apr 25, 2021

Heres the picture.

This dang website is way to finicky with the spam filter, it filters out everything.

495man · Apr 26, 2021

I'd go with 3pt logging winch and skip the 3pt blade.

Otherwise put markers galore along your road before snow fall so you can see where to drive between. Highway department does that here on 4 lane highways.

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