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All the production planned for the 2022 Hummer electric pick up are supposedly sold. Production is estimated 10,000 units with 1st sale starting Oct 2022. 625 hp in three electric motors with range of over 350 miles on one charge. Superior battery technology compared to Testla vehicles. So in spring 2021 you have no electric GM Hummers operating anywhere. Then in starting 2022 you have 10,000 Hummers operating needing re-charged with electricity. Where is this juice coming from ? Do you know of anyone building new electric generation plants.Indiana is closing a big coal fired electric generation plant on the Wabash River in a few months. No one is building coal generation or nuclear generation anymore. Texas completely ran out of electric power 2 months ago for a while. Has anyone heard of new new electric generation plants being built in the States for all these electric Hummers coming down the road in fall 2021 ?
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You might want to check out the actual context of that photo, SV. It was a proof of concept, not an actual production charging station. They were just trying to see if charging an EV with a diesel generator is much less efficient than a conventional diesel vehicle. Let me know if you can find an example where a diesel generator is being used in the real world to charge electric vehicles.

The article below describes the tests they ran and the results. And it also explains why they even bothered to do it.
Using diesel to charge EVs in the outback is greener than you think
 
Those ten thousand Hummers are a drop in the bucket compared to the generating capacity that will be required to support an all-EV vehicle fleet. But don't shed too many tears over your beloved coal plants; they're being replaced by gas turbine plants, which are not only cleaner and cheaper to operate, but are also a lot better at producing peak power than coal plants. And of course there's a lot of renewable power coming on line. There might be more nuclear capacity in the future, too, but it takes something like twenty years to plan and build a nuke plant.

The Texas power fiasco had nothing to do with EV demand or even insufficient generating capacity. It was the direct result of non-regulation by Texas' purported power grid regulators. They knew from past experience that the state's power generation plants couldn't handle winter weather, but they did nothing to make companies in the state address the issue. A totally predictable and preventable problem, ignored in a totally Texan fashion. Why didn't the rest of the country have an issue? Well, for one thing the interstate power grids come under federal regulation, while Texas is able to skirt the feds by cutting itself off from the rest of the country. Too bad, if Texas was on the national grid they could have drawn power from states that know how to generate power in the winter.
How Texas repeatedly failed to protect its power grid against extreme weather
 
Considering power plants are not now politically correct and nothing other than solar panels is allowed they must be planning on using fairy dust. While the ev is a good concept in some places in a limited capacity it will be several decades before infrastructure changes make it viable. If someone doesn't get a brain concerning power plants and transmission lines it will never happen.

As far as the guy in Australia goes he could have saved a bunch of money just by asking here at YT. We would have told him running a generator to produce power wasn't economical or sensible except in emergency situations.
 
I personally find a 350 mile range completely too short. Wife and I took a trip down south to hunt up her family's gravesites, we ended up spending a great day touring Charleston, SC, We got up packed, loaded the car, grabbed something to eat from the Free Continental Breakfast, headed towards the Interstate, We gassed the car on an Ice Cream run the night before. Hit the road at 7AM. Anyhow, FOUR tanks of gas and 18 hours later we had covered the over 1100 miles home. Couple of the gas stops only took 10-12 minutes. Can you charge an electric car that quick?
My '96 F-250 diesel pickup came standard with two fuel tanks, one held 24 gallon, the other 20 gallon, truck could easily get 18 mpg at 65-70 mph, that's 800 mile range without stopping. And I wished one or both tanks would have been a bit bigger. And I used that range many times on trips over the 23-24 years I drove the truck.
Wife and I toured historic US Rt 66 several years ago. I wanted to start at the lakefront in Chicago, but winter storm Virgil delayed our start so we started by Bolingbrook, Ill of I-55. Took us 7 days to make it to Los Angeles. Visited some parks in California, and the Grand Canyon, and Hoover Dam. Then we took off towards home. Drove about half a day, got a motel room, next day drove something around 800 miles home, 2 tanks of gas. Our rental Hyundai Sonata got great mpg, 32-34 average for the whole trip.
I doubt I EVER buy an electric vehicle, the short driving range and scarce charging stations are why. Most of my trips with my pickup now days are 5 miles to town and 5 miles home. Yes, electric would work for that. But what about the 1020 mile weekend I went to FARMALL LAND? Is there a public charging station in Avoca, Iowa? I didn't see one!
I'm curious how Pete Buttigieg will tax elec vehicles for their use of roads paid for and maintained by MOTOR FUEL TAX MONEY. I don't trust Him or any of the clowns in charge now.
 
Amazon has a commercial that they've ordered over 100,000 electric vehicles. BTW, all this electricity isn't fun for everyone, there's 760,000 volt lines across my home farm. Recently while I was riding the atv I felt something biting my finger, oh yes, I was under those lines- static electricity.
 
Hogwash. I spent 4 days without power again last year in good old regulated NC again. It isn't uncommon either. I have went a week and a half without a few times. Disasters happen and no amount of regulation is going to stop them. Texas's problem was going too green too fast. Just like with everything else that's ever been invented problems show up with use that were not thought about in the beginning. It's a learning process and can't be avoided.
 
The 350 mile range is probably with perfect conditions, add cold weather and trailer and see how far you will get. I think electric vehicles will be in the future but without an infrastructure in place to charge them they will be confined to large metro areas.
 
gm (lower case because that's how they do it know) does not even have a production ready prototype of the Hummer vehicles the last I had researched it. The Hummer commercials during the Super Bowl were mostly CGI. Currently, the Hummer is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme. With the current problems gm has with gas engines that they have been building for over 110 years, and problems with automatic transmissions they have been building for over 80 years, I doubt the Hummer ever sees production. Mary Barra was dumping gm stock the other day, so I would say something is on the horizon for gm, and it's probably not good.

gm is an also ran in the true EV market, their track record is not good. gm has moved less than 27K Bolts since 2017. gm only moved about 200K Volts globally in 9 years of production. Contrast those figures with Tesla, who sold just shy of 500K cars in 2020 alone. And let's not forget, gm was 3 years late to market with the Volt.

The other issue I see for gm trying to compete in the EV market is lack of charisma in their CEO. EVs are marketed to millennials and the generations that follow. gm, and Ford, have stodgy, old guard CEOs. The public is largely unaware of who runs GM, Ford, or Chrysler. Elon Musk is the PT Barnum of this generation, every one knows his name and what he does. That is shown in their Twit following, Mary Barra has has 56K followers, Elon Musk has almost 52 MILLION followers.

I'm not against EVs, I think they have a place for a certain driving demographic. Heck, an EV makes sense for the driving I personally do, but the price of one does not. To say all our cars will go EV is preposterous. EV success will be in companies with leaders involved with the product and that are innovative. gm has not been innovative in a long time.
 


The boards of directors of the auto manufacturers need to require their CEOs to consult here on YT before they make any decisions.
 
Hey its a free country if a person chooses to buy an EV that's HIS choice, if the manufacturers cant eventually (absent taxpayer subsidies) make any profit producing them I doubt they will continue to loose money. They are not for me and my needs and use. If and where he might get it charged if not at home is his problem should he run out of gas lol Of course they need electricity to recharge them but the militant tree huggers don't like coal fired or nuclear or hydroelectric plants.

I support a persons free choice to buy one, its his money not mine provided I don't have to subsidize his choice.

So, Im not buying one yall are free to do so

John T God Bless America, keep her strong great and free of socialism
 
I understand you're being facetious, but
it's probably not a bad idea. Not this
site specifically, but anywhere people
with buying power congregate and/or
respond. The people on this site probably
represent a large collective of buying
power, i.e., people with at least a small
disposable income. Marketing as it is
done now is to people buried in school
debt and raising young kids. It does no
good to market to a demographic that can't
afford the product. This is especially
true with EV vehicles as there are hidden
costs of ownership of those cars that
can't be rolled into an auto loan.
 
(quoted from post at 20:29:32 04/13/21) All the production planned for the 2022 Hummer electric pick up are supposedly sold. Production is estimated 10,000 units with 1st sale starting Oct 2022. 625 hp in three electric motors with range of over 350 miles on one charge. Superior battery technology compared to Testla vehicles. So in spring 2021 you have no electric GM Hummers operating anywhere. Then in starting 2022 you have 10,000 Hummers operating needing re-charged with electricity. Where is this juice coming from ? Do you know of anyone building new electric generation plants.Indiana is closing a big coal fired electric generation plant on the Wabash River in a few months. No one is building coal generation or nuclear generation anymore. Texas completely ran out of electric power 2 months ago for a while. Has anyone heard of new new electric generation plants being built in the States for all these electric Hummers coming down the road in fall 2021 ?
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That is exactly why we are being inundated with wind farms and solar farms, but it won't work due to the unreliability of renewable energy. We need MORE nuclear facilities, but no one is building them. Instead, they are being torn down.
 
Nuclear, while probably the best option,
will be a non-starter in the US for
decades. We have 3 generations of people
that witnessed nuclear disasters. The
Babyboomers have 3 Mile Island, then Gen X
and the oldest Millenials watched
Chernobyl unfold on TV. We are probably
40-60 years away from a notable drop in
that demographic.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:29:32 04/13/21) All the production planned for the 2022 Hummer electric pick up are supposedly sold. Production is estimated 10,000 units with 1st sale starting Oct 2022. 625 hp in three electric motors with range of over 350 miles on one charge. Superior battery technology compared to Testla vehicles. So in spring 2021 you have no electric GM Hummers operating anywhere. Then in starting 2022 you have 10,000 Hummers operating needing re-charged with electricity. Where is this juice coming from ? Do you know of anyone building new electric generation plants.Indiana is closing a big coal fired electric generation plant on the Wabash River in a few months. No one is building coal generation or nuclear generation anymore. Texas completely ran out of electric power 2 months ago for a while. Has anyone heard of new new electric generation plants being built in the States for all these electric Hummers coming down the road in fall 2021 ?
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That is exactly why we are being inundated with wind farms and solar farms, but it won't work due to the unreliability of renewable energy. We need MORE nuclear facilities, but no one is building them. Instead, they are being torn down.
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Rusty Farmall, you need to share with the nuclear power people how they can economically decommission old nuclear power plants. Currently there is no place to adequately process more than a tiny fraction of the spent fuel from the plants, because no one will have it in their backyard. The storage that they have been constructing and maintaining costs so much to operate that it has driven the cost of nukes to far higher than all other forms of power generation. You need to share your knowledge and your plan.
 
IF I were to buy one, I guess I would also buy me a diesel generator, to charge it. Maybe put a smaller gas generator in the trunk.....just trying to be funny calm down everyone
 
Google says: Charging stations are typically connected to the grid, which in most jurisdictions relies on fossil-fuel power stations. Although renewable energy is also used to reduce grid energy. Seems like a better option would be to hook a generator(s) to the wheel(s) of the vehicle, and let that keep the batteries charged as it moves along.
 
I agree on the nuclear power plants, they are safe and they work. France get around 70% of their power from nuclear and the French are afraid of everything!
 
What is this vehicle worth in a few years after the battery has to be replaced. Maybe they can bring back cash for clunkers for all these EV VEHICLES.
 
(quoted from post at 04:40:45 04/14/21) Nuclear, while probably the best option,
will be a non-starter in the US for
decades. We have 3 generations of people
that witnessed nuclear disasters. The
Babyboomers have 3 Mile Island, then Gen X
and the oldest Millenials watched
Chernobyl unfold on TV. We are probably
40-60 years away from a notable drop in
that demographic.
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Don't forget the most recent, Fukishima Dai-Ichi in Japan.

If the Japanese can't get it right, who can?
 
Just like everything else that has ever been invented problems show up with use that were not thought about in the beginning

Yeah, like, who besides Nostradamus could have foreseen that it might get cold in the winter?
 
Good one, yep they must have slept through science class lol. As the generator/alternator is less then 100% efficient with wasted I Squared R heat energy losses, it takes more energy in then you get charging energy out, its a loosing proposition. It doesn't create or destroy energy it just converts it. Energy in = energy out HOWEVER some of the out goes to heat versus charging THAT IS UNLESS THE LAWS OF PHYSICS HAVE CHANGED ???????

John T Long retired n rusty electrical engineer but believe this remains true today
 
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Between 10 to 20% of US electricity comes from neucler. It's hard to find exactly the amount. One article claims that of all US carbon free energy sources, neucler is equal to solar, wind and hydro Combined in US.

Amazon is claiming they are ordering 100,000 electric delivery trucks. It wouldn't surprise me if the rich guy doesn't put his money where his mouth is and buys solar panels to charge the trucks.

I remember seeing on TV Musk or some other rich guy working on a safer way to produce electricity using neucler. It eliminates the human factor and cannot melt down.
Government put up a roadblock. because he wanted to build it in China.

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I my opinion even if CO2 Were eliminated, methane, depending on how long it's been in the atmosphere can be 28 to 100% better at trapping heat. If that's true 1% methane does more damage than all the CO2.
Mother nature products most of the methane.
That's why its called natural gas.

Making electric using natural gas lowers Carbon footprint. That's why coal plants are being replaced with Natural gas plants.

Ford and VW is teaming up to produce EV vehicles in the EU first.

Like it or not, fir better or worse, EV is on its way.

Will I buy an EV? Not like.
I drive with an egg under my foot. Here's a pic of my 2018 XT5. Computer milage is only average for 25 miles. 27.2 mpg is computer average over 40K miles. More realistic.
The bottom green is average mpg in V4
The top blue is average V6 mpg for padt 25 miles.


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Here we go again. The same players with the same statements.
Electric vehicles and their infrastructure are in their infancy. Hell back when ICE vehicles came out there were no gas stations. You went to the pharmacy the feed store, the blacksmith shop, what ever merchant decided to take a chance on this new fangled stuff. You filled your car out of small cans.
Things will mesh soon and all this would be forgotten. A big plus is the presidents infrastructure plan that will fix our grid strengthening and making it more robust.
Two to three hundred mile range is ideal for many in a light van of pick up. Rare is the plumber, carpenter, florist,even farmer who ventures further than that is a days work. Are they a panacea? No but then again nothing is.
Whether you like it or not,no matter your opinion be it based on science politics or just some feeling ICE vehicles are on there way out. Maybe will not disappear, but on the decline. It is much cheaper and cleaner to produce power at a centralized facility with static conditions than it is on the fly going down the road.
 
Really, there are only two choices. One is to use the 'ostrich approach' ..... stick our heads in the sand and continue to deny, deny, deny and list reason upon reason why this thing can't work. The other choice is to accept the inevitable. You don't have to agree with it or go along with it, simply accept that the change is going to happen. I'm sure the scientists and businessmen and bankers who have moved in this direction know at least a wee bit more about it all than our YT board of governors. Remember that lack of a current charging system in Sleepy Hollow isn't going to make one bit of difference.
 
Mark,
Regardless what the naysayers on YY have to say, EVs are here to stay. Like many things the solution to a problem becomes tomorrow's next problem. I saw on TV.
In 25% of cars were electric before the model T. Model T was much cheaper.
Ever go to Mackinac Island? All horses, no cars. The streets flowed with ice tea colored smelly liquid. Road apples were picked. My sinuses were in overdrive. Glad to get off the island.

Cars put an end to horse pollution. War on cars began back in the 60s 70s with air pollution devices. It's taken 50 years to get to where we are now. Car exhaust is much better and mpg is better too.

I'll never buy an EV. Unless it's an EV wheelchair. Already had my mom's.

Have a good day.
George
 
> Really, there are only two choices. One is to use the 'ostrich approach' ..... stick our heads in the sand and continue to deny, deny, deny and list reason upon reason why this thing can't work. The other choice is to accept the inevitable. You don't have to agree with it or go along with it, simply accept that the change is going to happen. I'm sure the scientists and businessmen and bankers who have moved in this direction know at least a wee bit more about it all than our YT board of governors. Remember that lack of a current charging system in Sleepy Hollow isn't going to make one bit of difference.

Right, the train has already left the station. The folks who actually call the shots in government and industry saw the handwriting on the wall, and it says EVs are the future. Luddites who can't accept that fact won't be able to change it any more than those who doubted Copernicus could make the sun revolve around the earth.
 

I helped my high school kid with a few electric vehicle projects for Automotive class this year and was rather stunned by some of the figures.

The biggest complaint about electric vehicles is "you need to charge them from the grid which creates green house gasses". Fair enough. But, one research group - don't remember the name but they seemed reputable - did some research on the electricity required to pump and refine crude oil into gasoline or diesel. They included the electricity needed to pump oil from the ground on land as well as the diesel generation needed to run oil platforms at sea. They also included the electricity for the pumping stations along pipelines. Their estimates were staggering; enough electricity is used to pump oil in the USA to power 19,000,000 electric vehicle a month!

Also remember that most EV companies guarantee their batteries for 10 years and that a high percentage of the batteries can be recycled.

ICE engines have been in production for over 100 years and EVs are brand new compared. Give them time. And availability of charging stations is a red herring; they will come with demand. I know you can cross Northwestern Ontario (wilderness) in an electric vehicle with confidence because every small town has at least one bank of high speed charging stations.
 
It'd work if it only kicked in when the vehicle was going down hill basically coasting,a large enough generator could be used instead of a brake and could generate a considerable amount of current in hilly and mountainous areas.Then it would shut off and not generate while the vehicle was on the level or going up hill.Of course it'd need to have a battery pack to store the electricity.
 
Seems curious to me that NONE of the power grid regulars actually live in Texas. By the way, they all resigned. Gov. Abbott asked the feds ahead of the weather to increase electrical output and was denied because it didn't fit the new GREEN deal.
 
> Ever go to Mackinac Island? All horses, no cars. The streets flowed with ice tea colored smelly liquid. Road apples were picked. My sinuses were in overdrive. Glad to get off the island.

Ha! Now that you mention it, I have. And the last trip a couple of years ago was a disaster! My daughter-in-law didn't bother to tell us she's deathly allergic to horses. That fact became evident when my wife insisted we take a carriage trip around the island and we sat right up front so she could see good. We ended up walking several miles back to town. Too add insult to injury, that particular weekend they had a huge political conference going on and every bar and restaurant was booked for private parties. I couldn't even buy a beer to quench my thirst after our Walk of Shame. It will be a while before my wife convinces me to return to Mackinac.
 
So who on here actually has gone and bought an electric vehicle other than a golf cart to use on a regular basis? Why not if you haven't and if you have how is it working out.Of everyone I know personally that thinks EV are a great idea,none actually own one.
 
I guess it's like the 'skinny pants' that all the young guys wear these days. I don't like them, I don't own a pair and probably never will (thank goodness) and will continue to insist my old, baggy trousers look better on me and are more comfortable. Meanwhile, clothing manufacturers ignore me for the most part and continue to pump out zillions of pairs of what we used to call leotards for young men to wear. Oh, and I didn't mention canvas sneakers worn with your $2500 suit ..... ha!
 
The consumer not gov't or any other group will have the final say on what sells or not,if the folks shelling out the ca$h like a product it'll be a success if not it'll finally dry up and go into the dust bin of history.
 
The earthquake generated tsunami knocked out the power, including the backup generators so the cooling pumps stopped pumping water, the reactors (3) overheated, melted down and exploded.
chain reaction
 
Mark B,

Very informative article, thanks for posting.

Interesting, it is about using a diesel engine within it's efficiency window, similar concept for a hybrid vehicle. In addition the electric motor is a more efficient way to power a vehicle.
 
I once had an G.E. ETRAK, does that count?

Like all new tech, its just too expensive for me right now- I'm still waiting for hand-held calculators and pagers to become affordable!
 
Expense is the biggie for me too,and probably for most people, not that they are against the idea of EV just that they don't make economic sense for most people right now.
 
I have a good friend who bought a Tesla about a year and a half ago. He loves it. No problems yet and is very impressed with the performance.

It is equipped with a system that does use the inertia of the vehicle to recharge the batteries when coasting. His commute to work was largely downhill - long slow slope - and he finds that he has more capacity by the time he gets to work than when he left home. Of course, that capacity is eaten up on the drive home.

But almost two years into owning one he would buy one again in a heartbeat.
 
HA! My favourite memory of Mackinac Island is seeing a group of 6 well-heeled yet oblivious bicycle tourists having a chain-reaction slip & slide wipeout just below the fort. The lead tandem-riding bikers hit a large slippery patch of urine and road apples freshly left there by a once parked carriage team and went down and through it, followed closely by their friends who did a decent job of soaking up the entire mess with their fancy clothes!

Needless to say, they didnt make the Afternoon Tea-Time at the Grand Hotel...

Give me Isle Royale over that stuffy, yuppy rock any day!
 
My Pastor just bought 2 used BMW electric cars, funny looking little things. The church installed a charging station for them . So far he likes them very much, he doesn't travel very far with them and has a gas vehicle backup.
 
The Hummer is real and will be built.

As far as EV ownership, my probable son-in-law just bought a Volt, has charging at work, loves it. Has a different car for his long road trips, but the Volt fits his daily commute needs. I have a friend with a C-max, charger at home and work, loves it.

90% of most persons driving is well within the range of an EV. As noted, there is still a considerable number of people that live in a place where EV's aren't practical (say ya to dat Michigan Yoo Pee, eh). For those, hybrids and ICE's will continue to be available.

EV's sales are indeed a low percentage of sales. Fuel is cheap right now. But as fuel creeps up, battery cost and recharge time go down, there will be a break point where the EV's make economic sense. Kind of like the gas/diesel calculation where I don't drive my truck enough to pay back the incremental cost of the diesel in less than 20 years. Which is why it's a gasser. The government has made it clear they will follow Europe's lead and tax large engines and and gasoline in particular to drive the shift.

The future will be a heavy mix of EV's with autonomous driving and some ICE's for those hybrid applications that warrant them. I personally will probably buy an EV when I retire in a couple years, and keep my old truck gasser to use for those interstate hauls.

But the Hummer is coming and I can see the EV train coming.
 
(quoted from post at 06:26:40 04/14/21) Seems curious to me that NONE of the power grid regulars actually live in Texas. By the way, they all resigned. Gov. Abbott asked the feds ahead of the weather to increase electrical output and was denied because it didn't fit the new GREEN deal.
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jddrawbar, so you thought that no-one would fact check your wacko conspiracy theory facebook story?


"Several Facebook users shared screenshots of a Twitter thread that starts off with a tweet suggesting Abbot made the request to the nnalert administration. Abbott "declared an emergency and asked President nnalert for an EPA waiver to allow power generation facilities to operate at full capacity until the emergency passed."

But that request came from the Energy Reliability Council of Texas, not Abbott, and the U.S. Department of Energy approved it."


Go back in your basement and put on a new tin hat.
 

The principal at our rural school (45 minute commute from town) had a Volt and loved it. Even in winter he could easily go back and forth to school without worry. He figured his daily cost went from $8 cdn a day to less than $1 cdn based on him plugging into the charger at his home.

Both the principal and my friend figure the increased cost of initial purchase will be recovered within two to three years based on their savings in fuel.

I'm interested to see when / if GM gets their hydrogen fuel cell powered vehicles off the drawing board.
 
my daughter has a Barbie jeep battery powered, does that count? It dies out in the pasture and I have to take the gator out to deliver it the charger.
 
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(quoted from post at 20:29:32 04/13/21) All the production planned for the 2022 Hummer electric pick up are supposedly sold. Production is estimated 10,000 units with 1st sale starting Oct 2022. 625 hp in three electric motors with range of over 350 miles on one charge. Superior battery technology compared to Testla vehicles. So in spring 2021 you have no electric GM Hummers operating anywhere. Then in starting 2022 you have 10,000 Hummers operating needing re-charged with electricity. Where is this juice coming from ? Do you know of anyone building new electric generation plants.Indiana is closing a big coal fired electric generation plant on the Wabash River in a few months. No one is building coal generation or nuclear generation anymore. Texas completely ran out of electric power 2 months ago for a while. Has anyone heard of new new electric generation plants being built in the States for all these electric Hummers coming down the road in fall 2021 ?
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That is exactly why we are being inundated with wind farms and solar farms, but it won't work due to the unreliability of renewable energy. We need MORE nuclear facilities, but no one is building them. Instead, they are being torn down.
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Rusty Farmall, you need to share with the nuclear power people how they can economically decommission old nuclear power plants. Currently there is no place to adequately process more than a tiny fraction of the spent fuel from the plants, because no one will have it in their backyard. The storage that they have been constructing and maintaining costs so much to operate that it has driven the cost of nukes to far higher than all other forms of power generation. You need to share your knowledge and your plan.
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Why decommission them in the first place. Great inroads are being made in extending the life of the rods, and then recycling what is left into even more useable fuel. To the point that there is nothing left to bury anywhere. If the nuclear industry could get the same funding being handed out to the wind turbine industry, we would NOT need unreliable wind or solar.
 
There can be other options too, like a solar panel or wind turbine generator mounted on the roof of the vehicle. You are only limited by your imagination.....
 
TF, I'm pretty sure most all electric and hybrid vehicles have always had that feature, it's called regenerative braking. And, they all have batteries to store the energy.
 
I have no plans to return. You can see cars were a solution to horse air pollution.
100 years later we are seeing a return to electric cars.
What comes around goes around.
George
 
John
Do you really think what the people on YT think will influence the world's view on carbon?
George
 
I repowered a ford ranger with an electric forklift motor 15 years ago. It was in farmshow mag years ago.. It worked well for close trips. Torque was interesting as it would spin tires on take off in third gear. I I purchased another ranger few months ago to build another. Decided I just do not feel like all the necessary work.. No Crazy I did not burry my head in sand.
 
Wilson - I remember reading about you and your electric motor transplant in Farm Show. It was an interesting read.
 
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The boards of directors of the auto manufacturers need to require their CEOs to consult here on YT before they make any decisions.
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'm sure they will. I'm also sure Mark & a few others will give them an ear full. :lol:
 
Here in So IL four coal fired electric generating plants are or have closed. That's a lot of power that was used but is no more. If you trust that the people in charge are operating on common sense and know what they are doing, you believe in bureaucrats more than I do.
 
(quoted from post at 09:34:58 04/14/21) The consumer not gov't or any other group will have the final say on what sells or not,if the folks shelling out the ca$h like a product it'll be a success if not it'll finally dry up and go into the dust bin of history.
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ov will subsidize electrics (already in next trillion dollar bill) & tax IC out of existence. Free market will not be a player! :cry:
 
Is there any reason we couldn't burn corn fodder or ethanol to generate electricity?
 
Wait......wait......Mary Barra has no charisma ?? Come on man......she's a rock star !?!?......just ask her or any of the fawning automotive press
 
So say you.

I dare say that consumer acceptance will be the major player in the success or failure of EVs.

For what it is worth...

I do not see EVs becoming the dominant form of vehicle usage in the near future. I see that they will become a
larger portion of the vehicles on the road, but not to the exclusion of gasoline powered vehicles. Whether you
agree or not, the gasoline powered vehicle is the gold standard to which all competitors aspire to emulate.

Whatever becomes of the power grid in terms of supplying is still an unknown. Without a doubt, there will be
increased demand for electricity. Without a doubt, the government will be looking for new ways to fund the
highway system with the loss of revenue from road fuel taxes. Already there are states looking to move from fuel
taxes to usage taxes.

Without a doubt, change is in the air - but it will not be all at once or complete. That you can be sure of!
 
Well Stan, it would shine all the time if the Flat Earthers had a say in it and could get more people onside with their beliefs! None of this nonsense with rotation of a sphere on an axis and all that silly stuff.
 
Jessie,
Look at California back in the 70s. They
wanted air pollution devices added to
cars. Didn't take long all cars had smog
devices.
Look at generators imported from china.
They don't make special ones for
California.
I bought a new champion generator. It
said carb is California compliant. I
ordered a replacement carb from China.
It wasn't California compliant. I came
with an adjustment screw, thank God.
What the rest of the world wants,
tractors, cars and trucks most likely
they will all meet the same standards.
EVs in EU are being developed by many
factories like Ford and VW. Factories
that have a worldwide market. Same with
tractors and trucks.
Tier 4 in US. Stage 4 in EU.
Look at California. In 2050 they want
zero carbon. Will they get it? Who
knows? California is like the tail on the
dog. It wags its tail and the rest of the
US wags too.
George
 
You mean like these?
The accident was triggered by the Thoku earthquake and tsunami on Friday, 11 March 2011.[11] On detecting the earthquake, the active reactors automatically shut down their normal power-generating fission reactions. Because of these shutdowns and other electrical grid supply problems, the reactors' electricity supply failed, and their emergency diesel generators automatically started. Critically, these were required to provide electrical power to the pumps that circulated coolant through the reactors' cores. This continued circulation was vital to remove residual decay heat, which continues to be produced after fission has ceased.[12] However, the earthquake had also generated a tsunami 14 metres (46 ft) high that arrived shortly afterwards and swept over the plant's seawall and then flooded the lower parts of reactors 14. This flooding caused the failure of the emergency generators and loss of power to the circulating pumps.[13] The resultant loss of reactor core cooling led to three nuclear meltdowns, three hydrogen explosions, and the release of radioactive contamination in Units 1, 2 and 3 between 12 and 15 March. The spent fuel pool of previously shut down Reactor 4 increased in temperature on 15 March due to decay heat from newly added spent fuel rods, but did not boil down sufficiently to expose the fuel.[14]
 
Funny, never heard from a flat earther in my lifetime. Lot of people don't agree on a whole lot of subjects but I guess I missed that one.

I say, Solar power and Electric vehicles are in their infancy. Many, many improvements on the way before they replace our current power supply and vehicles. I will never see it for sure.
 
I'm pretty sure it would cost more to generate it than you could buy it for if you're on the grid, or have a stand alone generator if you aren't. There is no free lunch, and you can't go down hill all the time!
 
That's BS, they were allowed to go above their allowed emissions, but they froze up before they could! They were just unprepared, because it only happens every 10 years, and we usually bail them out!
 
My EV
cvphoto85042.jpg

I'm going to power it with 20v Dewalt batteries. It's my mom's. She passed about 10 years ago. It's going to be the fastest EV in the nursing home.
Races on Sunday, Sunday, Sunday US 30 drag strip. Be there.
George
 
Same in Indiana, 3 coal power plants are shut down. One is now NG. About 5 miles away in other side of river. Shutting down plants has been planned once the life expectancy of the plant is up.
Big solar is now in the planning stages.
Times are slowly changing. For better or for worse.
George
 
John
I think the experts have bugged my house. When I have a great idea, which I have many, I hear the experts talking about my ideas a few weeks or months later on the TV.

I refuse to answer any calls from DC. I think even the politicians are seeking my expert advice.

BTW, most of the time when I need expert advice either I call Mr Wilson or I talk to myself. LOL, top that tail!
George
 
Recently, I read that there are about 400 coal burning generation plants under construction (and/or planned) in China.

Trolls: This is an antique tractor chat forum. I did not check the accuracy of the article that I read and do not care if it is precisely accurate.

Dean
 
Well said, John.

I couldn't give a RA if all of the EV proponents herein were to buy an EV tomorrow but I doubt that any have done so.

Dean
 
(quoted from post at 13:16:36 04/14/21) Recently, I read that there are about 400 coal burning generation plants under construction (and/or planned) in China.

Trolls: This is an antique tractor chat forum. I did not check the accuracy of the article that I read and do not care if it is precisely accurate.

Dean
Click to expand...


Dean, it appears that if someone fact checks you that they are a troll. Does the inverse apply?
 
Yes, the "100 year" cold snap bit them badly. Some small coops lost power, others went to rotational power outs, and others did fine. The state wide interconnect did what is was supposed to do. It was the local companies that got burned.. mostly smaller ones. And the california reseller "Griddy" got super burned as had no contracts for long term power, only spot contracts, so they put a huge strain on the system with all of their customers looking for power. Griddy went bankrupt over this. :roll:

https://www.griddy.com/

https://www.octopusenergy.com/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=ppc&utm_campaign=cheap&utm_content=responsive&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=ppc&utm_source=adwords&utm_term=cheaper%20power%20bills&hsa_mt=b&hsa_tgt=kwd-312833668045&hsa_kw=cheaper%20power%20bills&hsa_cam=12734287105&hsa_grp=121022798539&hsa_src=g&hsa_ad=513953333512&hsa_ver=3&hsa_acc=4068995217&hsa_net=adwords&gclid=Cj0KCQjwyN-DBhCDARIsAFOELTnNS2g_A8p6vZQpQe08OnEOLdOHTmnGE3vA0ct8vI_WZUcqBJ7nFn0aAhY0EALw_wcB
 
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