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Deere 404 origin?

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I was watching a Case 94 series promo Vs. Deere on youtube. When comparing the engines the guy claims that the 404 was a truck engine design and that Deere had purchased it from a truck manufacturer in the 50s. He didnt say who the truck manufacturer was....I have never heard this before. Anyone know if it's true and who the truck manufacturer was?
 
I have heard about the relationship with Detroit too. Deere was making castings for Detroit 60 series engines. I heard Cummins was involved with the four and six cylinder designs from the start. The real truth has to be written down somewhere.
 
You saw that video too. Its not even close to being true. Plus the 404 didn't it the market until 1964 anyway. Everybody makes propaganda videos including JD but that Case video is the worst I have ever seen for pure misinformation and revisionist history. Now what
svcummins said about Detroit and JD is true.
 
It is written down. Several books, plus Green Magazine and Two Cylinder articles detail the development of the NG tractors and engines. Cummins had nothing to do with the development of the JD engines. Amazing how coffee shop gossip gets around.
 
I know that Volvo casts some blocks for jd in South America
for the more modern engines because I've hauled them from
the docks in Louisiana up to Iowa.
 
Yeah i seen a very early Detroit Diesel, it had the JD ensignia cast into the side engine block,but it was the Detroit Diesel Green already, he had 'Powered By John Deere' on the side of his hood,so he showed me !!
 
The only type of help JD might have had back then is there some speculation that Cat assisted JD on designing their first diesel tractor the R. There is no concrete evidence of this but fact is the R shared the same bore, stroke and valve dimensions used in the D8 Cat. Plus during the time JD was developing the R,
Cat and JD were working together joint marketing their projects and certain other projects so it wouldn't be completely outlandish if Cat did provide a little guidance.
 
Cummins sold Deere engines for several models but were always badged as Cummins. Cummins and case were together on several engines and had there own company called consolidated diesel but that ended when case was bought by Fix it again Tony.
 
The Detroit 60 series was designed by a guy who originally worked for Cummins. He tried to get Cummins to build it(and get away from the 855 -n14- blocks) to get ready for the electronic engines that were coming for the emission controls that had to be in place. Cummins later designed and built the ISX engines. Mark.
 
By the 94 series was Case using Consolidated Diesel engines, the joint venture between Case and Cummins?
 
(quoted from post at 09:57:39 03/04/21) By the 94 series was Case using Consolidated Diesel engines, the joint venture between Case and Cummins?
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I think the 94 series still used a Case 504. Consolidated diesel was a 505 that came out in the Magnum tractors.
 
Ford does not own Cummins. In 1990 Ford bought a 10% intrest in Cummins. In 1997 Ford wanted to buy the complete production of 5.9 engines to lock out RAM, Cummins told them they could have all they wanted after the contract was filled for RAM. Ford sold back their 10%. Cummins is an independent company.
 
Im pretty sure about this,Deere at one time came very close to buying Detroit,they were so sure of it that
advertisements actually appeared stating so.It fell apart at the last minute and seems to have become a
forgotten footnote.
 
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